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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-17 10:54:26
December 17 2014 10:53 GMT
#301
On December 17 2014 19:49 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 19:47 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 19:43 Big J wrote:
On December 17 2014 19:40 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 19:38 Big J wrote:
On December 17 2014 19:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 19:33 Big J wrote:
cool story for zergs having the better guy advance
sad story for starcraft having these sorts of games 4years after release

blame soulkey and not the game


for what?
He got bad BO luck 2times.If he builds a pool first, Rouge gets the bad build order luck and the games are still bad.
Then he got another bad BO luck. If you are up against a hatch first with that fast speed you have to go speedlings+banelings, and if your opponent isn't aggressive when you are already behind after pool first and speedlings and banelings vs hatch first speed only then you have to attack, because you won't catch up in the macro game for free.


It's not build order "luck" if one player plays like an idiot and the other recognizes that and does something about it.


I must have missed the 6supply scout from Rouge then that made him "recognize" what Soulkey did. Though I didn't... There's nothing Rouge recognized, it was blind flight in all those games when deciding to allin or to hatch first, just the same as for SKs.


Do you think it was coincidence that lead Rogue to pulling the same build again after it worked so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think Rogue picked that build randomly without any prior planning?

Do you think it was coincidence that lead SK to pulling the same build again even though it didn't work so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think SK picked that build randomly without any prior planning?


Since you apparently won't answer my question, I'll go out of my way to answer yours: no, it wasn't conincidence. Soulkey has this misplaced confidence in his own defensive abilities and tends to go for builds that are very greedy because they put him in a great position going into the midgame. He's rarely punished for it because a blind 9pool in ZvZ is very risky, especially if your opponent is going 14/15pool, but it's incredibly easy to punish if you realize that he's most likely to open hatch-gas. I don't know why you think it would be impossible for Rogue to watch a few Soulkey VODs and see this.

None of this changes the fact that Soulkey is an idiot for going for the very same greedy build that got him killed in game one.
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
December 17 2014 10:53 GMT
#302
I just realised I haven't seen a poll today
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
December 17 2014 10:53 GMT
#303
If Cure doesn't mech in one of these games I am going to be so disappointed
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 17 2014 10:54 GMT
#304
On December 17 2014 19:49 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 19:47 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 19:43 Big J wrote:
On December 17 2014 19:40 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 19:38 Big J wrote:
On December 17 2014 19:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 19:33 Big J wrote:
cool story for zergs having the better guy advance
sad story for starcraft having these sorts of games 4years after release

blame soulkey and not the game


for what?
He got bad BO luck 2times.If he builds a pool first, Rouge gets the bad build order luck and the games are still bad.
Then he got another bad BO luck. If you are up against a hatch first with that fast speed you have to go speedlings+banelings, and if your opponent isn't aggressive when you are already behind after pool first and speedlings and banelings vs hatch first speed only then you have to attack, because you won't catch up in the macro game for free.


It's not build order "luck" if one player plays like an idiot and the other recognizes that and does something about it.


I must have missed the 6supply scout from Rouge then that made him "recognize" what Soulkey did. Though I didn't... There's nothing Rouge recognized, it was blind flight in all those games when deciding to allin or to hatch first, just the same as for SKs.


Do you think it was coincidence that lead Rogue to pulling the same build again after it worked so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think Rogue picked that build randomly without any prior planning?

Do you think it was coincidence that lead SK to pulling the same build again even though it didn't work so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think SK picked that build randomly without any prior planning?

Maybe he should have microed better then
If you can't deal with the "luck" in sc2 (even though it is more like calculated risks) you just shouldn't watch it. It is part of the game and as long as we don't get the most ridiculous defenders advantage (like mobas) and we keep fog of war this won't change. You kinda bitch about this all the time, do you do the same with RL stuff which you can't really change?
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 17 2014 10:54 GMT
#305
On December 17 2014 19:53 Lorning wrote:
I just realised I haven't seen a poll today

Templar passed out I think. He said he was gonna stay up and write until SSL came on
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Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
December 17 2014 10:54 GMT
#306
On December 17 2014 19:52 Nebuchad wrote:
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On December 17 2014 19:49 Superbanana wrote:
But it WAS a lucky BO advantage. All ZvZ starts with a blind gamble.
Soulkey current form or ZvZ woes have nothing to do with this fact.
edit: We can give credit for Rogue preparation, but there was lucky involved no matter how you bend it :/


A lot of people think all gambles are blind (and therefore bad). That's an inacurrate notion. There is skill in how and when you choose to gamble. And conversely there is skill in how you predict people's gambling choices and how you react to them accordingly.

True, but pool timings are not the best example of a skill gamble IMO. If we talk about the first choices in a TvP before the first scout, then i can see a lot of preparation involved.
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
December 17 2014 10:56 GMT
#307
On December 17 2014 19:53 Lorning wrote:
I just realised I haven't seen a poll today

new LR generation
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
December 17 2014 10:56 GMT
#308
On December 17 2014 19:52 lichter wrote:
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On December 17 2014 19:49 Ragnarork wrote:
Hello fellow LR people.

How is lichter's stream the only one? No official? (Not that I have anything personal against lichter of course )


It's the official one.

SSL didn't register their stream on TL so I had to do it in order to pin their stream live.


Oh, ok! Thanks!
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-17 10:59:43
December 17 2014 10:58 GMT
#309
Classic has this game in the bag

man I'm bad at this. shows how much I've watched lately
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
December 17 2014 10:58 GMT
#310
Poll: More polls today?

This LR generation is fucked (15)
 
83%

Yes (2)
 
11%

No (1)
 
6%

18 total votes

Your vote: More polls today?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): This LR generation is fucked

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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
December 17 2014 10:59 GMT
#311
That wasn't very good for Classic
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
December 17 2014 11:00 GMT
#312
you're getting your polls
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12535 Posts
December 17 2014 11:00 GMT
#313
That engagement wasn't good for Classic, he had a third of his army attacking, a third on the vikings, and a third running away... :/
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
December 17 2014 11:00 GMT
#314
Why isn't there a single yes?
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
December 17 2014 11:00 GMT
#315
rogue 3 - 0 soulkey ? looool
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 17 2014 11:01 GMT
#316
On December 17 2014 20:00 Lorning wrote:
you're getting your polls

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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 17 2014 11:02 GMT
#317
PC crashed, what happened in the end?
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
December 17 2014 11:02 GMT
#318
By the way, why the pause? I'm at work and missed it..
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
December 17 2014 11:02 GMT
#319
Something with Classic's monitor.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
December 17 2014 11:03 GMT
#320
On December 17 2014 20:02 TheDwf wrote:
PC crashed, what happened in the end?


Attack with a ton of vikings killing all the colossus and a lot of zealots, then Cure retreats. Classic uses this opportunity for a tactical pause.,
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