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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 17 2014 19:49 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 19:47 Zealously wrote:On December 17 2014 19:43 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:40 Zealously wrote:On December 17 2014 19:38 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 17 2014 19:33 Big J wrote:
cool story for zergs having the better guy advance
sad story for starcraft having these sorts of games 4years after release blame soulkey and not the game for what? He got bad BO luck 2times.If he builds a pool first, Rouge gets the bad build order luck and the games are still bad. Then he got another bad BO luck. If you are up against a hatch first with that fast speed you have to go speedlings+banelings, and if your opponent isn't aggressive when you are already behind after pool first and speedlings and banelings vs hatch first speed only then you have to attack, because you won't catch up in the macro game for free. It's not build order "luck" if one player plays like an idiot and the other recognizes that and does something about it. I must have missed the 6supply scout from Rouge then that made him "recognize" what Soulkey did. Though I didn't... There's nothing Rouge recognized, it was blind flight in all those games when deciding to allin or to hatch first, just the same as for SKs. Do you think it was coincidence that lead Rogue to pulling the same build again after it worked so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think Rogue picked that build randomly without any prior planning? Do you think it was coincidence that lead SK to pulling the same build again even though it didn't work so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think SK picked that build randomly without any prior planning?
Since you apparently won't answer my question, I'll go out of my way to answer yours: no, it wasn't conincidence. Soulkey has this misplaced confidence in his own defensive abilities and tends to go for builds that are very greedy because they put him in a great position going into the midgame. He's rarely punished for it because a blind 9pool in ZvZ is very risky, especially if your opponent is going 14/15pool, but it's incredibly easy to punish if you realize that he's most likely to open hatch-gas. I don't know why you think it would be impossible for Rogue to watch a few Soulkey VODs and see this.
None of this changes the fact that Soulkey is an idiot for going for the very same greedy build that got him killed in game one.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
I just realised I haven't seen a poll today
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If Cure doesn't mech in one of these games I am going to be so disappointed
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On December 17 2014 19:49 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 19:47 Zealously wrote:On December 17 2014 19:43 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:40 Zealously wrote:On December 17 2014 19:38 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 17 2014 19:33 Big J wrote:
cool story for zergs having the better guy advance
sad story for starcraft having these sorts of games 4years after release blame soulkey and not the game for what? He got bad BO luck 2times.If he builds a pool first, Rouge gets the bad build order luck and the games are still bad. Then he got another bad BO luck. If you are up against a hatch first with that fast speed you have to go speedlings+banelings, and if your opponent isn't aggressive when you are already behind after pool first and speedlings and banelings vs hatch first speed only then you have to attack, because you won't catch up in the macro game for free. It's not build order "luck" if one player plays like an idiot and the other recognizes that and does something about it. I must have missed the 6supply scout from Rouge then that made him "recognize" what Soulkey did. Though I didn't... There's nothing Rouge recognized, it was blind flight in all those games when deciding to allin or to hatch first, just the same as for SKs. Do you think it was coincidence that lead Rogue to pulling the same build again after it worked so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think Rogue picked that build randomly without any prior planning? Do you think it was coincidence that lead SK to pulling the same build again even though it didn't work so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think SK picked that build randomly without any prior planning?
Maybe he should have microed better then
If you can't deal with the "luck" in sc2 (even though it is more like calculated risks) you just shouldn't watch it. It is part of the game and as long as we don't get the most ridiculous defenders advantage (like mobas) and we keep fog of war this won't change. You kinda bitch about this all the time, do you do the same with RL stuff which you can't really change?
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On December 17 2014 19:53 Lorning wrote:
I just realised I haven't seen a poll today
Templar passed out I think. He said he was gonna stay up and write until SSL came on
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On December 17 2014 19:52 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 19:49 Superbanana wrote:
But it WAS a lucky BO advantage. All ZvZ starts with a blind gamble.
Soulkey current form or ZvZ woes have nothing to do with this fact.
edit: We can give credit for Rogue preparation, but there was lucky involved no matter how you bend it :/ A lot of people think all gambles are blind (and therefore bad). That's an inacurrate notion. There is skill in how and when you choose to gamble. And conversely there is skill in how you predict people's gambling choices and how you react to them accordingly.
True, but pool timings are not the best example of a skill gamble IMO. If we talk about the first choices in a TvP before the first scout, then i can see a lot of preparation involved.
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United States97276 Posts
On December 17 2014 19:53 Lorning wrote:
I just realised I haven't seen a poll today
new LR generation
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France9034 Posts
On December 17 2014 19:52 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 19:49 Ragnarork wrote:Hello fellow LR people. How is lichter's stream the only one? No official? (Not that I have anything personal against lichter of course  ) It's the official one. SSL didn't register their stream on TL so I had to do it in order to pin their stream live.
Oh, ok! Thanks!
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United States97276 Posts
Classic has this game in the bag
man I'm bad at this. shows how much I've watched lately
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France9034 Posts
Poll: More polls today?This LR generation is fucked (15) 83% Yes (2) 11% No (1) 6% 18 total votes Your vote: More polls today? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): This LR generation is fucked
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That wasn't very good for Classic
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
you're getting your polls
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That engagement wasn't good for Classic, he had a third of his army attacking, a third on the vikings, and a third running away... :/
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France9034 Posts
Why isn't there a single yes?
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rogue 3 - 0 soulkey ? looool
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On December 17 2014 20:00 Lorning wrote:
you're getting your polls
Based Lorning
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PC crashed, what happened in the end?
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France9034 Posts
By the way, why the pause? I'm at work and missed it..
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Something with Classic's monitor.
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On December 17 2014 20:02 TheDwf wrote:
PC crashed, what happened in the end?
Attack with a ton of vikings killing all the colossus and a lot of zealots, then Cure retreats. Classic uses this opportunity for a tactical pause.,
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