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On November 21 2014 19:22 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 19:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2014 19:14 TheDwf wrote:On November 21 2014 19:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2014 19:10 Lorning wrote:On November 21 2014 19:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm trying really hard not to whine here PartinG got outplayed hard Olli c'mon He did in the end, but Bbyong should not have won this game after how hard Parting dominated him in the early game. He deflected three drops perfectly without taking basically any damage, killed a ton of SCVs and marines, and then what? Bbyong gets a single drop off and he's even/ahead It may not be unfair or anything, but it's frustrating as hell to watch (and play against) Yeah, when you build your dual forge at 12'20 you sure didn't slow at all your development... Yeah, how dare he rush colossus out to be safe against continued aggression I'm confused about this, maybe someone can explain. If drop/mine aggression is so popular on KSS, why would he rush Colossus? The Colossus were completely worthless in that game. HT openings might not be great in general, but they can't possibly have been less effective than Colossi were in that game.
thats how protoss playes since hots.
forge+twilight+stargate+robo and safe with the msc.
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On November 21 2014 19:23 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 19:22 pure.Wasted wrote:On November 21 2014 19:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2014 19:14 TheDwf wrote:On November 21 2014 19:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2014 19:10 Lorning wrote:On November 21 2014 19:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm trying really hard not to whine here PartinG got outplayed hard Olli c'mon He did in the end, but Bbyong should not have won this game after how hard Parting dominated him in the early game. He deflected three drops perfectly without taking basically any damage, killed a ton of SCVs and marines, and then what? Bbyong gets a single drop off and he's even/ahead It may not be unfair or anything, but it's frustrating as hell to watch (and play against) Yeah, when you build your dual forge at 12'20 you sure didn't slow at all your development... Yeah, how dare he rush colossus out to be safe against continued aggression I'm confused about this, maybe someone can explain. If drop/mine aggression is so popular on KSS, why would he rush Colossus? The Colossus were completely worthless in that game. HT openings might not be great in general, but they can't possibly have been less effective than Colossi were in that game. they can, they're really worse against it. The Colossi at least defended the 3rd, ht probably wouldn't have. Bbyong went for the optimal composition vs ht openings, which incidentely can work against Colo.
Am I missing something? Feedback didn't get nerfed. It still kills Medivacs dead.
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On November 21 2014 19:21 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 19:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:
"jetlag"? How many days do you guys need to stabilize? I can't even imagine that a young person would need more than 1-2 days Okay, have you ever been to other side of the world, party and then back 2 days after? Do you know what it's like to spend 24 hours in a plane in the course of 3 days? Cause really young or not, you can't be at your 100% strength after this... Seoul-HSC is a loooong trip...
HSC ended the 16th. How long does it take this "looooong trip"?
Sry but this makes no sense to me at all, he had enough time imo.
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On November 21 2014 19:24 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 19:22 pure.Wasted wrote:On November 21 2014 19:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2014 19:14 TheDwf wrote:On November 21 2014 19:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2014 19:10 Lorning wrote:On November 21 2014 19:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm trying really hard not to whine here PartinG got outplayed hard Olli c'mon He did in the end, but Bbyong should not have won this game after how hard Parting dominated him in the early game. He deflected three drops perfectly without taking basically any damage, killed a ton of SCVs and marines, and then what? Bbyong gets a single drop off and he's even/ahead It may not be unfair or anything, but it's frustrating as hell to watch (and play against) Yeah, when you build your dual forge at 12'20 you sure didn't slow at all your development... Yeah, how dare he rush colossus out to be safe against continued aggression I'm confused about this, maybe someone can explain. If drop/mine aggression is so popular on KSS, why would he rush Colossus? The Colossus were completely worthless in that game. HT openings might not be great in general, but they can't possibly have been less effective than Colossi were in that game. thats how protoss playes since hots. forge+twilight+stargate+robo and safe with the msc.
Incredibly safe, just like Classic was vs SkyhigH in g3 yesterday. Come on.
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On November 21 2014 19:08 Lorning wrote:
Charity.Flash and Charity.PartinG can't handle those qualifier gods
Yeah, Korean tournaments are hard
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On November 21 2014 19:24 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 19:23 sAsImre wrote:On November 21 2014 19:22 pure.Wasted wrote:On November 21 2014 19:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2014 19:14 TheDwf wrote:On November 21 2014 19:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2014 19:10 Lorning wrote:On November 21 2014 19:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm trying really hard not to whine here PartinG got outplayed hard Olli c'mon He did in the end, but Bbyong should not have won this game after how hard Parting dominated him in the early game. He deflected three drops perfectly without taking basically any damage, killed a ton of SCVs and marines, and then what? Bbyong gets a single drop off and he's even/ahead It may not be unfair or anything, but it's frustrating as hell to watch (and play against) Yeah, when you build your dual forge at 12'20 you sure didn't slow at all your development... Yeah, how dare he rush colossus out to be safe against continued aggression I'm confused about this, maybe someone can explain. If drop/mine aggression is so popular on KSS, why would he rush Colossus? The Colossus were completely worthless in that game. HT openings might not be great in general, but they can't possibly have been less effective than Colossi were in that game. they can, they're really worse against it. The Colossi at least defended the 3rd, ht probably wouldn't have. Bbyong went for the optimal composition vs ht openings, which incidentely can work against Colo. Am I missing something? Feedback didn't get nerfed. It still kills Medivacs dead.
it's useful but with this style your medivacs are never 100% energy. A single quick forge and a quick archive is the best way to handle it imo, but when you start with a proxied stargate it's impossible.
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
Colossus droppppppppppppp
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On November 21 2014 19:24 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 19:21 Ctesias wrote:
While Zest is definitely handsome, I feel Trap is even more so - and does not get enough recognition for it. You must be joking, Trap looks like a normal boy. But Zest, damn! He's carved from Mount Olympus by Zeus himself.
Trap is more "cute" while Zest is more manly.
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I'm so happy this is becoming a thing.
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On November 21 2014 19:24 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 19:23 sAsImre wrote:On November 21 2014 19:22 pure.Wasted wrote:On November 21 2014 19:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2014 19:14 TheDwf wrote:On November 21 2014 19:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2014 19:10 Lorning wrote:On November 21 2014 19:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm trying really hard not to whine here PartinG got outplayed hard Olli c'mon He did in the end, but Bbyong should not have won this game after how hard Parting dominated him in the early game. He deflected three drops perfectly without taking basically any damage, killed a ton of SCVs and marines, and then what? Bbyong gets a single drop off and he's even/ahead It may not be unfair or anything, but it's frustrating as hell to watch (and play against) Yeah, when you build your dual forge at 12'20 you sure didn't slow at all your development... Yeah, how dare he rush colossus out to be safe against continued aggression I'm confused about this, maybe someone can explain. If drop/mine aggression is so popular on KSS, why would he rush Colossus? The Colossus were completely worthless in that game. HT openings might not be great in general, but they can't possibly have been less effective than Colossi were in that game. they can, they're really worse against it. The Colossi at least defended the 3rd, ht probably wouldn't have. Bbyong went for the optimal composition vs ht openings, which incidentely can work against Colo. Am I missing something? Feedback didn't get nerfed. It still kills Medivacs dead.
He stimmed all the time, medevac energy was pretty low. But still - PArting had HUGE advantage. All he had to do was do a 2 base timing. NOT ALLIN! Timing! And he would have won. He didn't, he lost. His fault.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 21 2014 19:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 19:21 Gwavajuice wrote:On November 21 2014 19:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:
"jetlag"? How many days do you guys need to stabilize? I can't even imagine that a young person would need more than 1-2 days Okay, have you ever been to other side of the world, party and then back 2 days after? Do you know what it's like to spend 24 hours in a plane in the course of 3 days? Cause really young or not, you can't be at your 100% strength after this... Seoul-HSC is a loooong trip... HSC ended the 16th. How long does it take this "looooong trip"? Sry but this makes no sense to me at all, he had enough time imo.
Let's say he flew back on the 18th, hr would have come back jetlagged and to some extent sleep-deprived on the 19th or early 20th. Not so strange.
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On November 21 2014 19:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 19:21 Gwavajuice wrote:On November 21 2014 19:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:
"jetlag"? How many days do you guys need to stabilize? I can't even imagine that a young person would need more than 1-2 days Okay, have you ever been to other side of the world, party and then back 2 days after? Do you know what it's like to spend 24 hours in a plane in the course of 3 days? Cause really young or not, you can't be at your 100% strength after this... Seoul-HSC is a loooong trip... HSC ended the 16th. How long does it take this "looooong trip"? Sry but this makes no sense to me at all, he had enough time imo.
May be a coincidence that the two players who return from HSC play one league below their usual level, but I don't think so. We'll see with PartinG's next series
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On November 21 2014 19:26 Ctesias wrote:
I'm so happy this is becoming a thing.
Me too, free wins on ladder are cool.
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What is a collosus drop supposed to accomplish?
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On November 21 2014 19:26 Ctesias wrote:
I'm so happy this is becoming a thing.
Puck does it quite often.
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On November 21 2014 19:26 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 19:26 Ctesias wrote:
I'm so happy this is becoming a thing. Me too, free wins on ladder are cool.
I don't really care if it's efficient or not, I love watching it anyway.
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On November 21 2014 19:27 Ketch wrote:
What is a collosus drop supposed to accomplish?
surviving, kill marines/scvs.
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your Country52798 Posts
On November 21 2014 19:24 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 19:20 The_Templar wrote: Bbyong spawns in the top right  Zest spawns in the bottom left 2:00 CC first versus gateway/gas. Cybernetics core for Zest. Bbyong getting one barracks. 3:00 Zest scouting for anything odd with his probe. Second barracks for Bbyong. Zealot finishes for Zest. Zest expands. 4:00 Bunker for Bbyong. One zealot gets to Bbyong's natural but is easily deflected. Robotics facility for Zest. 5:00 Two refineries for Bbyong. Zest getting a sentry. Zest is moving out with a stalker.
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Robotics bay for Zest.
Bbyong getting an engineering bay.
Stim packs being researched for Bbyong.
Zest is building a warp prism.
Turret on the way for Bbyong.
7:00  Bbyong 58 vs  Zest 60
Bbyong starts upgrading +1 attack.
Observer from Zest makes it into Bbyong's base.
Ranged colossus being built.
Warp prism isn't doing anything.
Combat shields on the way for Bbyong.
Zest starts a third base and one forge + twilight council.
8:00 Bbyong 78 vs Zest 68
Colossus drop for Zest.
Zest getting a twilight council.
Bbyong salvages his bunker right as the warp prism gets to his main, but Zest backs off.
10:00 Bbyong 107 vs Zest 79
+1 armor for Zest.
Bbyong moving out with a fairly large force.
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scv pull please 
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That is one huge terran army. Damn, Bbyong macroing so well today.
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