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No more balance discussion please.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 21 2014 10:19 GMT
#381
Alright guys, I didn't wanna start a balance discussion. Just frustrated with TvP atm. Please don't turn this thread into a balance debate, take that to the Designated Balance Discussion Thread if you feel like continuing it.

Please no more in this thread!
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12134 Posts
November 21 2014 10:19 GMT
#382
On November 21 2014 19:17 Ctesias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 19:16 sAsImre wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:14 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:10 Lorning wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm trying really hard not to whine here

PartinG got outplayed hard Olli c'mon


He did in the end, but Bbyong should not have won this game after how hard Parting dominated him in the early game. He deflected three drops perfectly without taking basically any damage, killed a ton of SCVs and marines, and then what? Bbyong gets a single drop off and he's even/ahead

It may not be unfair or anything, but it's frustrating as hell to watch (and play against)

This, so much this Sigh


haha or Parting plays at a code B lvl and remember how the beginning really went ? 2 useless phenix and 1oracle that quickly died going into mid game?

That oracle had 16 kills.

20 kills
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
November 21 2014 10:20 GMT
#383
On November 21 2014 19:18 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 19:15 sAsImre wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:14 Heartland wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:14 graNite wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:12 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:11 Brutaxilos wrote:
Holy fuck those drops were so elegant.

On this map you cannot defend this style effectively on 3 bases. The main and natural are so open :/

Edit - double forge charge/blink isn't helping much either


with templar tech you could, i think


Against drops/mines? No, it's worse


lol it's far better if you can go 1 fast forge and decently time ht, feedback is awesome.

Not against WM/marauder style and drops. Then HT/Charge is worse. In constant action like this you have medevacs with almost no energy, so there's nothing to feedback and stalkers are pretty bad against ferrarivacs. It is not impossible, but you need better map than KSS or Leenock map, both these maps are designed to drop 3 base protoss into loss.


you underestimate how painful it is to have feedbacked medivacs.
Zest fanboy.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
November 21 2014 10:20 GMT
#384
Parting would have won easily if he had 2 based all inned after the opening. He let Bbyong get away with the 3rd with 7 marines and no stim done and he was able to get a shitload of units out after
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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
November 21 2014 10:20 GMT
#385
This should absolutely be the highlight of the day. No HSC effect on either player!
Flash | Mvp
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 21 2014 10:20 GMT
#386
On November 21 2014 19:19 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 19:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:16 sAsImre wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:14 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:10 Lorning wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm trying really hard not to whine here

PartinG got outplayed hard Olli c'mon


He did in the end, but Bbyong should not have won this game after how hard Parting dominated him in the early game. He deflected three drops perfectly without taking basically any damage, killed a ton of SCVs and marines, and then what? Bbyong gets a single drop off and he's even/ahead

It may not be unfair or anything, but it's frustrating as hell to watch (and play against)

This, so much this Sigh


haha or Parting plays at a code B lvl and remember how the beginning really went ? 2 useless phenix and 1oracle that quickly died going into mid game?


Those were anything but useless


the oracle did his job, the phenix died way too quickly. It was a freaking proxy stargate not a light investment.


The phoenixes helped him kill all the drops instead of Bbyong just picking up and getting out
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
November 21 2014 10:20 GMT
#387
Hot6iX Cup RO16

(T)Bbyong vs (P)Zest
0-0


Map: Overgrowth


Bbyong spawns in the top right
Zest spawns in the bottom left
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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Extenz
Profile Joined October 2011
Italy822 Posts
November 21 2014 10:20 GMT
#388
On November 21 2014 19:19 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 19:18 Extenz wrote:
This is why you all in terran.

Yep because all terrans do 4 pronged attacks.

At this level on king terran station is not too hard to expect.
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
November 21 2014 10:21 GMT
#389
On November 21 2014 19:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:
"jetlag"? How many days do you guys need to stabilize? I can't even imagine that a young person would need more than 1-2 days



Okay, have you ever been to other side of the world, party and then back 2 days after? Do you know what it's like to spend 24 hours in a plane in the course of 3 days?

Cause really young or not, you can't be at your 100% strength after this...

Seoul-HSC is a loooong trip...

Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
November 21 2014 10:21 GMT
#390
While Zest is definitely handsome, I feel Trap is even more so - and does not get enough recognition for it.
Flash | Mvp
PepsiMaxxxx
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden5452 Posts
November 21 2014 10:21 GMT
#391
On November 21 2014 19:20 Ctesias wrote:
This should absolutely be the highlight of the day. No HSC effect on either player!

Maybe some Azerbaijan effect on Zest.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
November 21 2014 10:22 GMT
#392
On November 21 2014 19:20 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 19:19 sAsImre wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:16 sAsImre wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:14 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:10 Lorning wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm trying really hard not to whine here

PartinG got outplayed hard Olli c'mon


He did in the end, but Bbyong should not have won this game after how hard Parting dominated him in the early game. He deflected three drops perfectly without taking basically any damage, killed a ton of SCVs and marines, and then what? Bbyong gets a single drop off and he's even/ahead

It may not be unfair or anything, but it's frustrating as hell to watch (and play against)

This, so much this Sigh


haha or Parting plays at a code B lvl and remember how the beginning really went ? 2 useless phenix and 1oracle that quickly died going into mid game?


Those were anything but useless


the oracle did his job, the phenix died way too quickly. It was a freaking proxy stargate not a light investment.


The phoenixes helped him kill all the drops instead of Bbyong just picking up and getting out


you need to keep them alive almost the whole game, it prevents the medivac parking in the back of your main. It's like the main point of his build order and he failed really hard at it. anyway overgrowth, probably a chocho train if bbyong survives until that.
Zest fanboy.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 21 2014 10:22 GMT
#393
We all know Zest is the most handsome one.
And the best
Let's see how Zest's PvT is right now
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
November 21 2014 10:22 GMT
#394
On November 21 2014 19:20 Extenz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 19:19 royalroadweed wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:18 Extenz wrote:
This is why you all in terran.

Yep because all terrans do 4 pronged attacks.

At this level on king terran station is not too hard to expect.


Well Parting picked the map... so clearly he didn't believe he was unfavored in it..
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
November 21 2014 10:22 GMT
#395
On November 21 2014 19:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 19:14 TheDwf wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:10 Lorning wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm trying really hard not to whine here

PartinG got outplayed hard Olli c'mon


He did in the end, but Bbyong should not have won this game after how hard Parting dominated him in the early game. He deflected three drops perfectly without taking basically any damage, killed a ton of SCVs and marines, and then what? Bbyong gets a single drop off and he's even/ahead

It may not be unfair or anything, but it's frustrating as hell to watch (and play against)

Yeah, when you build your dual forge at 12'20 you sure didn't slow at all your development...


Yeah, how dare he rush colossus out to be safe against continued aggression


I'm confused about this, maybe someone can explain. If drop/mine aggression is so popular on KSS, why would he rush Colossus? The Colossus were completely worthless in that game. HT openings might not be great in general, but they can't possibly have been less effective than Colossi were in that game.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 10:24:16
November 21 2014 10:23 GMT
#396
On November 21 2014 19:22 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 19:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:14 TheDwf wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:10 Lorning wrote:
On November 21 2014 19:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm trying really hard not to whine here

PartinG got outplayed hard Olli c'mon


He did in the end, but Bbyong should not have won this game after how hard Parting dominated him in the early game. He deflected three drops perfectly without taking basically any damage, killed a ton of SCVs and marines, and then what? Bbyong gets a single drop off and he's even/ahead

It may not be unfair or anything, but it's frustrating as hell to watch (and play against)

Yeah, when you build your dual forge at 12'20 you sure didn't slow at all your development...


Yeah, how dare he rush colossus out to be safe against continued aggression


I'm confused about this, maybe someone can explain. If drop/mine aggression is so popular on KSS, why would he rush Colossus? The Colossus were completely worthless in that game. HT openings might not be great in general, but they can't possibly have been less effective than Colossi were in that game.


they can, they're really worse against it. The Colossi at least defended the 3rd, ht probably wouldn't have. Bbyong went for the optimal composition vs ht openings, which incidentely can work against Colo.
Zest fanboy.
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
November 21 2014 10:24 GMT
#397
Come on Zest, you're KT's only hope now. Don't make it a 4/4 failure.
Flash | Mvp
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12134 Posts
November 21 2014 10:24 GMT
#398
On November 21 2014 19:20 Shellshock wrote:
Parting would have won easily if he had 2 based all inned after the opening. He let Bbyong get away with the 3rd with 7 marines and no stim done and he was able to get a shitload of units out after

This.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
November 21 2014 10:24 GMT
#399
On November 21 2014 19:20 The_Templar wrote:
Hot6iX Cup RO16

(T)Bbyong vs (P)Zest
0-0


Map: Overgrowth


Bbyong spawns in the top right
Zest spawns in the bottom left

2:00
CC first versus gateway/gas.
Cybernetics core for Zest.
Bbyong getting one barracks.

3:00
Zest scouting for anything odd with his probe.
Second barracks for Bbyong.
Zealot finishes for Zest.
Zest expands.

4:00
Bunker for Bbyong.
One zealot gets to Bbyong's natural but is easily deflected.
Robotics facility for Zest.

5:00
Two refineries for Bbyong.
Zest getting a sentry.
Zest is moving out with a stalker.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
PepsiMaxxxx
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden5452 Posts
November 21 2014 10:24 GMT
#400
On November 21 2014 19:21 Ctesias wrote:
While Zest is definitely handsome, I feel Trap is even more so - and does not get enough recognition for it.


You must be joking, Trap looks like a normal boy. But Zest, damn! He's carved from Mount Olympus by Zeus himself.
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