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Rickyvalle21
United States320 Posts
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odem
143 Posts
To me the competition between 1v1 pros and top 2v2 players is very interesting because they both have different advantages approaching which should either even out or still let one side reign supreme. If the 2v2 players are not good enough to put their training in 2v2 into an advantage than thats not the fault of any 1v1 player who comes to this tournament to have fun or maybe some little money. Most importantly -> As beasty alrdy said: he played alot of 2v2 and so did several "1v1 players". U CANT distinguish between players who played only 1v1 or still "enough 2v2" to be granted ur guys consent being able to play this tournament. So the whole discussion about that makes completely no sense and is also very weird. Why do i even have to explain this to u lol. Same thing for the bm topic. Why would baz want to play moral police and enforce friendly behavior in the whole 2v2 scene with his tournament? There is NO possible way to >draw the line< on who has the right moral standards and who might not. It would be just baz subjective decisions which of course he would have the right do make as the organizer. But as i know him thats no decisions he wants to make. Since again: its impossible to draw the line here. If he values behavior then he can set the rules accordingly (like no insults). But also here its hard to draw the line if u interpret bm as everything that isnt nice (like ironic answers or smiley faces when winning). Personally i love when ppl in a game write more than glhf ggwp. Thats just robotic. Grant the ppl their own personality and at least a little freedom to express whatever they want to say. As long as it isnt too out of the line it adds to the competitive atmosphere and also for the viewer experience. Even if u have another opinion about this its still not easy to draw the line and imo too much to ask of someone to decide these kind of things. PS: sry dara, i know ur a cool guy, even if u play protoss  :D (j/k) it just so happens i cant support ur opinions in this case since i think doing these things would either go too far or would be impossible to do in a consequent and fair (objective) way | ||
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LeeJohnDong
Ireland58 Posts
 <3On October 09 2014 07:31 TT1 wrote: . . . i dunno who got invited and whos playing with who, ill make sure to tell you once the teams get posted also, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/69911-hackers-caught + Show Spoiler + Same guy? | ||
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2x2actionFOX
France59 Posts
I guess I miss explained my point (probably cauz of my bad english) cauz I only understood your post was an answer for me at the last line. For example "To be honest, if what u say is true and 1v1 pros make a team that will dominate the 2v2 only teams then how is that a bad thing?" I said the exact opposite, I said 1v1 pros would have no chance, so either you missread or my english skillz are the same then a 3 y old french kid. "There have been some high level 2v2 Tournament where there were pro 1v1 koreans who tried 2v2 and get wrekted by Lille/Night, Power/Mystic,... so lets move on please" I am not sure I should repeat myself, but what I mean about 1v1 player vs 2v2 players is that I want the stream, tournament,... to promote the 2v2 scene, not the 1v1 scene, so because we CAN NOT cast/stream all games, and because it MEANT to be LIMITED INVITATIONS, then yes I think 1v1 ONLY players shouldn't be invite. Now Baz changed his mind, and now its open to everyone so guess what ? Its open to everyone so yes lets stop that talk, again. Now there are a couple of decent players who everyone knows are bm kids. I don't see any good in letting them do that in 'our' promotion of the 2v2 scene. So, if you want let these guys be promoted and show tons of bms (cauz lets be honest, thats what viewers want at the end of the day : idras, protechs, naniwas, avilos, etc etc etc) well Odem, then nothing will change. Isn't it the only goal of this whole tour thing ? I won't write any more word about that, cauz all theses kids want is attention, and I am already giving them way to much. PS1 : Don't excuse yourself, you have the right to disagree w/ me, we are just arguing between adults, it changes from twitch. PS2 : any ProTech's mod shouldn't be allowed in this conversation :D (j/k) Edit : spelling | ||
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FrankBennedetto
3 Posts
OT: In my humble opinion Protech probably done more for the 2v2 scene than anybody ever will by streaming 2v2 full time, he surely got me into it. Really hope the stubborn elephant brain Protech will get involved on this tho.I think an open tournament is the way to go. Spreading out and get some crowd favourites (1v1 Pros) in there can only be good for the exposure and hopefully the top 2v2 teams can rekt the 1v1 pros. | ||
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odem
143 Posts
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EndOfLineTv
United States741 Posts
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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TaShadan
Germany1982 Posts
On October 10 2014 00:43 SatedSC2 wrote: If dedicated 2v2 players aren't good enough at 2v2 to beat 1v1 players who don't play 2v2 in a 2v2 then they don't deserve to win any money... I agree. | ||
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jedi1982
United States172 Posts
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Baz_33
Canada32 Posts
i see your side Dara but I dont have much of a problem with people doing a little trash talk ( there is a line ofcourse ) I agree with most of what Odem said and think for my first time doing this an open tournament is just easier to manage. I hope at the very least 1v1 players wanting to play in this tournament will play on the 2v2 ladder for practice. People please start signing up! I've only got two teams so far  | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1927 Posts
On October 10 2014 00:43 SatedSC2 wrote: If dedicated 2v2 players aren't good enough at 2v2 to beat 1v1 players who don't play 2v2 in a 2v2 then they don't deserve to win any money... Except 1v1 pro players play full time and as of right now 2v2 players just play because they enjoy it more, unless your name is protech and you somehow manage to persuade everyone you're also really good at 1v1. Ill be signing up with mvpgalaxy as soon as we think of a team name :D | ||
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Baz_33
Canada32 Posts
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2ipj83/top_team_2v2_tournament/ Thanks! | ||
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Baz_33
Canada32 Posts
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odem
143 Posts
since it doesnt seem to be possible to do the most fair option (a group stage) cause it would take too much time (myb even a 2nd day). it would maybe be possible to let the viewers (baz stream) vote on which teams they think are the best ( http://strawpoll.me/ ftw) and accordingly put the highest anticipated teams as far away in the ko-system tree as possible. ofc this would be to avoid that the most anticipated teams would knock each other out in the early rounds i think it also makes the viewing and casting experience more interesting if there are favorites and underdogs. especially for viewers who dont have the overview over all the participating teams, they could get a glimpse on who could be teams to watch. --> personally i really like guessing first and watching the actual results happen. especially in this kind of tournament, where u dont have a recent sample size and can base ur guess on very different things like current or former team performance, individual player skills (considering 1v1 performance), race combinations, player combinations (in terms of teamplay), etc. i also wouldnt mind to put that vote up a few days (myb even a week?) before the starting day. i'd say every voter gets 4 votes (for the expected semifinalists) and according to the outcome the teams will be put in the system tree accordingly. o/ | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
A quick google finds that for example http://www.polljunkie.com/ seems to do this. | ||
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odem
143 Posts
On October 10 2014 19:36 Cascade wrote: Best would be if every viewer could rank the participants. A quick google finds that for example http://www.polljunkie.com/ seems to do this. i wouldnt like to rank every single participator because its 1) too much work (for the average viewer) + 2) actually noone will know every team (with luck more than 50% but in average rather less) and so it wouldnt even be possible to calculate for every single team individually so we could have like these two options: http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/acankw/who-wins-multiple-choice http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/mcjcet/who-wins i'd prefer the multiple choice (like strawpoll) one with a variable number of possible answers. (to bad it cannot be limited to like 4 answers and only one would not be enough in this case imo) so basically like this --> http://strawpoll.me/2746714 | ||
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2x2actionFOX
France59 Posts
I guess we could do it easily (but not accurately for the 1st event obv) on the 2nd event, based on 1st one results. I do like the random factor, not sure we need that for the first time. 'KISS', better focus on avoiding hackers... And so why not polls for Hackers : http://strawpoll.me/2746888 | ||
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Baz_33
Canada32 Posts
On October 10 2014 19:27 odem wrote: btw, for the step deciding on how to put the teams into the brackets: since it doesnt seem to be possible to do the most fair option (a group stage) cause it would take too much time (myb even a 2nd day). it would maybe be possible to let the viewers (baz stream) vote on which teams they think are the best ( http://strawpoll.me/ ftw) and accordingly put the highest anticipated teams as far away in the ko-system tree as possible. ofc this would be to avoid that the most anticipated teams would knock each other out in the early rounds i think it also makes the viewing and casting experience more interesting if there are favorites and underdogs. especially for viewers who dont have the overview over all the participating teams, they could get a glimpse on who could be teams to watch. --> personally i really like guessing first and watching the actual results happen. especially in this kind of tournament, where u dont have a recent sample size and can base ur guess on very different things like current or former team performance, individual player skills (considering 1v1 performance), race combinations, player combinations (in terms of teamplay), etc. i also wouldnt mind to put that vote up a few days (myb even a week?) before the starting day. i'd say every voter gets 4 votes (for the expected semifinalists) and according to the outcome the teams will be put in the system tree accordingly. o/ I like the idea Odem and maybe could do something like this. I still have no idea how many teams will actually sign up for this. So maybe once we get closer to the Nov 2nd date I can decide if this if feasible. To what Actionfox said maybe for the next tournament I could have teams who finished high seeded. | ||
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italz
France42 Posts
On October 09 2014 17:33 2x2actionFOX wrote: IMHO, On the other side, yes you should def not allow bm kids such as baltiwhore and frutinoob. Not because I might loose to them, because once again they are bad for the community, and THIS tournament has just 1 goal have fun and grow the 2v2 scene. FOXDaRa Hey buddy, by calling these players these names, don't you think u're being as BM as them ? Also, as u pointed out later, you probably give them attention they don't need ! With love, from a guy who met you sometimes on 2's ladder ;-) | ||
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