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Circumstance

United States11403 Posts

September 10 2014 01:10 GMT

#781

On September 10 2014 10:06 pigmanbear wrote:

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Seriously though, does anybody know where to get this keyboard or who makes it? :D

You can get custom colored keycaps at most websites that sell custom mechanical keyboards. Axiom's sponsored by WASD Keyboards, and Alicia's keyboard is just as colorful as that one.

ThomasjServo

15244 Posts

September 10 2014 01:10 GMT

#782

Maybe it was too hot in the room for Jim? #ChannelingToD

Dodgin

Canada39254 Posts

September 10 2014 01:10 GMT

#783

Chinese players need their own WCS to protect their local scene, It's not fair that they have to join WCS AM and play against HuK.

stuchiu

Fiddler's Green42661 Posts

September 10 2014 01:11 GMT

#784

On September 10 2014 10:10 brickrd wrote:

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well i fully admit im not among the most hardcore fans here (i consider myself pretty midrange tbh) but i dont think i could recognize any player based on ticks that way except maybe LifeLings

You can tell it's Avenge playing PvZ cause he's going ground based mass harassment warping in 6-7 dts at a time all across the map.

ThomasjServo

15244 Posts

September 10 2014 01:11 GMT

#785

On September 10 2014 10:06 pigmanbear wrote:

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Seriously though, does anybody know where to get this keyboard or who makes it? :D

eBay is your friend.

stuchiu

Fiddler's Green42661 Posts

September 10 2014 01:11 GMT

#786

On September 10 2014 10:10 Dodgin wrote:
Chinese players need their own WCS to protect their local scene, It's not fair that they have to join WCS AM and play against HuK.

Thanks Desrow.

Wintex

Norway16838 Posts

September 10 2014 01:11 GMT

#787

On September 10 2014 10:07 Wasaru wrote:

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On September 10 2014 10:02 Wintex wrote:

On September 10 2014 09:58 Wasaru wrote:

On September 10 2014 09:51 brickrd wrote:

On September 10 2014 09:49 Wintex wrote:

On September 10 2014 09:47 brickrd wrote:

On September 10 2014 09:44 Darkhorse wrote:

On September 10 2014 09:42 brickrd wrote:

On September 10 2014 09:42 Shellshock wrote:

On September 10 2014 09:41 brickrd wrote:
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this debate is becoming a meme. someone really needs to just run an experiment already

I dont think it has as much potential as the 10x one though. people will probably forget about it in a week

eh i think it has potential because the whole korean vs foreigner infrastructure wcs points blahblahblahblah thing already has legs of its own

but also im curious about how the experiment would go

It would have to be a blind experiment. If people knew what we were looking for they would really try to see the differences in play and if you look hard enough anyone can figure it out

isnt that the whole debate though? or is there supposed to be some difference between "looking hard" and watching a game "normally"? as long as you handpicked foreigner games that use builds and styles that are common in the korean meta i think it would be fine

I would be against making foreigners play a korean style or cherrypicking games where they use korean shit.

You need a healthy mix of games etc.

as long as all the games fall under a generally accepted range of pro foreigner level of play im not sure how handpicking the data would harm the experiment. the point of handpicking would be to avoid "cheating" by knowing the korean meta and just playing the odds that it's a "foreign style"

Koreans, on almost a 100% basis, are mechanically superior. Major is the only foreign Terran who can consistently hit 200 EPM. I remember I looked at the replays from MLG a year ago-- foreigners hit 200 epm 2 times and Koreans hit it 43 times. Simply opening the EPM meter show you who the Korean is.. Or is that not allowed either?

It's not like people are gonna watch Zest vs Bunny, then Zest vs Flash, and not notice huge differences between the Terrans.

Of course it's not gonna be allowed. It's most likely going to be an edited youtube video with no casting and parts of games only. It would feature greater variety and less chance for a weighted result.

For any decent player, or any player that follows the scene and the games closely, I think it will be very easy to tell with Terran or Zerg. Korean T and Z play much differently-- far more harrass, float less money, don't just sit in the middle of the map while Zerg expands and spreads creep (like Bunny), and the korean Zergs micro their lings much better too.

However, I still think if you have a playlist of 5 winning games, with some Mana and some Rain, the majority of people will know which one is the Korean simply because the play is much cleaner.

I know. My hypothesis is the same as yours, but getting solid data across all levels, from noobs to coaches to pro players, and being able to predict which players it is or if people can predict how far they have gotten in the wcs system with the play is interesting.

I see a difference, but regulars on TL aren't a big group, compared to the whole world. Some people still think the most shit pushes are hard to hold.

KingofdaHipHop

United States25602 Posts

September 10 2014 01:11 GMT

#788

On September 10 2014 10:10 KingofdaHipHop wrote:

Poll: Recommend Losers Match Game 2?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)

25%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)

50%

★★★- Good game (1)

25%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)

0%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)

0%

4 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers Match Game 2?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season

Poll: Recommend Losers Match Game 3?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)

50%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)

0%

★★★- Good game (2)

50%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)

0%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)

0%

4 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers Match Game 3?

brickrd

United States4894 Posts

September 10 2014 01:11 GMT

#789

On September 10 2014 10:10 Darkhorse wrote:
Where is that guy that keeps telling me Jim is the best foreigner in a live setting?

i always try hard not to be That Guy Who's Saying A Pro Player Sucks but i never see jim win and he never seems to do anything that looks impressive compared to any other pros when i watch him

Darkhorse

United States23455 Posts

September 10 2014 01:11 GMT

#790

On September 10 2014 10:10 Dodgin wrote:
Chinese players need their own WCS to protect their local scene, It's not fair that they have to join WCS AM and play against HuK.

I literally couldn't tell the difference between Huk and Jim there

ThomasjServo

15244 Posts

September 10 2014 01:12 GMT

#791

On September 10 2014 10:11 Darkhorse wrote:

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I literally couldn't tell the difference between Huk and Jim there

Are you color blind? /sarcasm.

Wintex

Norway16838 Posts

September 10 2014 01:12 GMT

#792

On September 10 2014 10:10 Darkhorse wrote:
Where is that guy that keeps telling me Jim is the best foreigner in a live setting?

Crying.

somewhere in this world.

Shellshock

United States97276 Posts

September 10 2014 01:12 GMT

#793

Finally Bomber time again

KingofdaHipHop

United States25602 Posts

September 10 2014 01:12 GMT

#794

On September 10 2014 10:11 brickrd wrote:

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i always try hard not to be That Guy Who's Saying A Pro Player Sucks but i never see jim win and he never seems to do anything that looks impressive compared to any other pros when i watch him

He was pretty good last year and he had a good IEM run it seems, I dunno I guess he's got a lot of potential but he's definitely extremely inconsistent.

TheDougler

Canada8304 Posts

September 10 2014 01:12 GMT

#795

On September 10 2014 10:02 Shellshock wrote:

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Didn't he lose to like Has and Top in WEC? Maybe he's doing poorly in PvP lately

Plus, my own bias aside you have to admit that HuK has always had pretty decent PvP. Like, when he's done well it's usually because he "upsets" a big name through good PvP, and then people claim its too coinflippy to say he's actually "better than average" at PvP, and life returns to normal when he loses to zerg.

brickrd

United States4894 Posts

September 10 2014 01:13 GMT

#796

On September 10 2014 10:11 stuchiu wrote:

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You can tell it's Avenge playing PvZ cause he's going ground based mass harassment warping in 6-7 dts at a time all across the map.

thats probably standard on NA GM ladder

Wasaru

United States91 Posts

September 10 2014 01:13 GMT

#797

On September 10 2014 10:01 brickrd wrote:

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lol, obviously you wouldnt allow people to open the EPM meter, wtf? the entire thing in question is whether people can tell the difference when watching broadcasts of pro games

you don't have to open the EPM tab to know which is the faster player, since it influences so many aspects of play. Even with Hyun vs Bunny, in which Hyun lost, it's easy to tell who the faster player is simply from the creep spread and army movement.

Also there are population threshholds, like in zvp, where elite players will hit a certain supply by 8 mins, and the rest wont, which is very telling as well.

Shellshock

United States97276 Posts

September 10 2014 01:13 GMT

#798

On September 10 2014 10:12 TheDougler wrote:

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it is his best matchup win rate for his career and probably the best matchup where he held his own against koreans