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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
September 10 2014 01:15 GMT
#801
On September 10 2014 10:13 Wasaru wrote:
you don't have to open the EPM tab to know which is the faster player, since it influences so many aspects of play. Even with Hyun vs Bunny, in which Hyun lost, it's easy to tell who the faster player is simply from the creep spread and army movement.

... thats the entire debate dude. catz and targa said they dont think people can tell, lots of people have already argued it to death, the point being made here is an actual experiment beyond people saying "well im 100% sure that i can tell!" would be interesting
TL+ Member
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
September 10 2014 01:16 GMT
#802
When you lose to Top, there are no excuses.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 10 2014 01:16 GMT
#803
Bomber is the hero Jjakji needs.
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
September 10 2014 01:16 GMT
#804
On September 10 2014 10:15 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 10:13 Wasaru wrote:
you don't have to open the EPM tab to know which is the faster player, since it influences so many aspects of play. Even with Hyun vs Bunny, in which Hyun lost, it's easy to tell who the faster player is simply from the creep spread and army movement.

... thats the entire debate dude. catz and targa said they dont think people can tell, lots of people have already argued it to death, the point being made here is an actual experiment beyond people saying "well im 100% sure that i can tell!" would be interesting


He said he could tell which was faster, not necessarily which was Korean.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 10 2014 01:16 GMT
#805
On September 10 2014 10:16 Circumstance wrote:
When you lose to Top, there are no excuses.

I felt like making excuses for viOLet back in season 1. Those were some weeeeeiiirrrdddd games
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
September 10 2014 01:17 GMT
#806
On September 10 2014 10:16 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 10:15 brickrd wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:13 Wasaru wrote:
you don't have to open the EPM tab to know which is the faster player, since it influences so many aspects of play. Even with Hyun vs Bunny, in which Hyun lost, it's easy to tell who the faster player is simply from the creep spread and army movement.

... thats the entire debate dude. catz and targa said they dont think people can tell, lots of people have already argued it to death, the point being made here is an actual experiment beyond people saying "well im 100% sure that i can tell!" would be interesting


He said he could tell which was faster, not necessarily which was Korean.

in his previous post he said something like "koreans are faster almost 100% of the time" so...?
TL+ Member
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 10 2014 01:17 GMT
#807
I don't understand how Chinese players aren't as good as Korean players. Their scene is pretty much region locked and they've had years and years to develop their ambition only competing between each other and not having to face players from outside their local scene. The invigoration they receive from knowing that they have a real shot at winning their local event should push them to become as good as players that are competing in the GSL.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46478 Posts
September 10 2014 01:17 GMT
#808
Clutch!!! :D
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
September 10 2014 01:17 GMT
#809
On September 10 2014 10:16 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 10:16 Circumstance wrote:
When you lose to Top, there are no excuses.

I felt like making excuses for viOLet back in season 1. Those were some weeeeeiiirrrdddd games

That Heavy Rain game was so awesome.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
September 10 2014 01:18 GMT
#810
On September 10 2014 10:15 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 10:13 Wasaru wrote:
you don't have to open the EPM tab to know which is the faster player, since it influences so many aspects of play. Even with Hyun vs Bunny, in which Hyun lost, it's easy to tell who the faster player is simply from the creep spread and army movement.

... thats the entire debate dude. catz and targa said they dont think people can tell, lots of people have already argued it to death, the point being made here is an actual experiment beyond people saying "well im 100% sure that i can tell!" would be interesting

Exactly. And that's why I insist on controlling as much of the actions as possible by making it a video with parts of games shown, with a questionnaire to go with it. You remove more of the RNG this way. It makes it harder to call it a sham and invalidate the data.
The Bomber boy
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
September 10 2014 01:21 GMT
#811
On September 10 2014 10:18 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 10:15 brickrd wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:13 Wasaru wrote:
you don't have to open the EPM tab to know which is the faster player, since it influences so many aspects of play. Even with Hyun vs Bunny, in which Hyun lost, it's easy to tell who the faster player is simply from the creep spread and army movement.

... thats the entire debate dude. catz and targa said they dont think people can tell, lots of people have already argued it to death, the point being made here is an actual experiment beyond people saying "well im 100% sure that i can tell!" would be interesting

Exactly. And that's why I insist on controlling as much of the actions as possible by making it a video with parts of games shown, with a questionnaire to go with it. You remove more of the RNG this way. It makes it harder to call it a sham and invalidate the data.

tbh i just dont think anyone is going to do that. if you assembled the testers and subjects and actually made it happen with academic legitimacy that would be amazing but id rather hear about a half-valid experiment that actually occurs than a totally valid experiment that no one bothers doing
TL+ Member
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
September 10 2014 01:21 GMT
#812
On September 10 2014 10:17 Dodgin wrote:
I don't understand how Chinese players aren't as good as Korean players. Their scene is pretty much region locked and they've had years and years to develop their ambition only competing between each other and not having to face players from outside their local scene. The invigoration they receive from knowing that they have a real shot at winning their local event should push them to become as good as players that are competing in the GSL.

The meta still lags some.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
September 10 2014 01:22 GMT
#813
On September 10 2014 10:21 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 10:17 Dodgin wrote:
I don't understand how Chinese players aren't as good as Korean players. Their scene is pretty much region locked and they've had years and years to develop their ambition only competing between each other and not having to face players from outside their local scene. The invigoration they receive from knowing that they have a real shot at winning their local event should push them to become as good as players that are competing in the GSL.

The meta still lags some.

Not to mention they have no good Terrans.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
September 10 2014 01:22 GMT
#814
Does this guy make anyone else uncomfortable?
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 10 2014 01:23 GMT
#815
On September 10 2014 10:22 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 10:21 ThomasjServo wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:17 Dodgin wrote:
I don't understand how Chinese players aren't as good as Korean players. Their scene is pretty much region locked and they've had years and years to develop their ambition only competing between each other and not having to face players from outside their local scene. The invigoration they receive from knowing that they have a real shot at winning their local event should push them to become as good as players that are competing in the GSL.

The meta still lags some.

Not to mention they have no good Terrans.

XY plays so oddly
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
September 10 2014 01:23 GMT
#816
On September 10 2014 10:21 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 10:17 Dodgin wrote:
I don't understand how Chinese players aren't as good as Korean players. Their scene is pretty much region locked and they've had years and years to develop their ambition only competing between each other and not having to face players from outside their local scene. The invigoration they receive from knowing that they have a real shot at winning their local event should push them to become as good as players that are competing in the GSL.

The meta still lags some.

i dont think you can discount the history korea has with the game either. when its wrapped into your culture youre naturally going to get a heavier flow of quality players and a higher level of competition
TL+ Member
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
September 10 2014 01:23 GMT
#817
On September 10 2014 10:22 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 10:21 ThomasjServo wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:17 Dodgin wrote:
I don't understand how Chinese players aren't as good as Korean players. Their scene is pretty much region locked and they've had years and years to develop their ambition only competing between each other and not having to face players from outside their local scene. The invigoration they receive from knowing that they have a real shot at winning their local event should push them to become as good as players that are competing in the GSL.

The meta still lags some.

Not to mention they have no good Terrans.

XY is probably the top of things, but it isn't quite as bad as SEA in terms of racial bias
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 10 2014 01:24 GMT
#818
On September 10 2014 10:22 pigmanbear wrote:
Does this guy make anyone else uncomfortable?

Clutch? No not at all. He's pretty cool guy. My favorite Clutch memory:

WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 10 2014 01:24 GMT
#819
On September 10 2014 10:23 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 10:22 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:21 ThomasjServo wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:17 Dodgin wrote:
I don't understand how Chinese players aren't as good as Korean players. Their scene is pretty much region locked and they've had years and years to develop their ambition only competing between each other and not having to face players from outside their local scene. The invigoration they receive from knowing that they have a real shot at winning their local event should push them to become as good as players that are competing in the GSL.

The meta still lags some.

Not to mention they have no good Terrans.

XY is probably the top of things, but it isn't quite as bad as SEA in terms of racial bias

Loner used to be the best but idk anymore
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
September 10 2014 01:24 GMT
#820
On September 10 2014 10:18 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 10:15 brickrd wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:13 Wasaru wrote:
you don't have to open the EPM tab to know which is the faster player, since it influences so many aspects of play. Even with Hyun vs Bunny, in which Hyun lost, it's easy to tell who the faster player is simply from the creep spread and army movement.

... thats the entire debate dude. catz and targa said they dont think people can tell, lots of people have already argued it to death, the point being made here is an actual experiment beyond people saying "well im 100% sure that i can tell!" would be interesting

Exactly. And that's why I insist on controlling as much of the actions as possible by making it a video with parts of games shown, with a questionnaire to go with it. You remove more of the RNG this way. It makes it harder to call it a sham and invalidate the data.

The problem with chopping and slicing up games is that sometimes the "tell" would be revealed through the entire game.

But I see what you mean, like you can show two scenes of MC and someone else doing a set of forcefields, and ask who is who.
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