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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
July 28 2014 11:51 GMT
#901
On July 28 2014 20:50 Faust852 wrote:
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On July 28 2014 20:50 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:49 Faust852 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:48 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
Anyway, the more I see them, the more I think Vipers are ridiculous as fuck.

The unit was designed to be ridiculous against something without mobility. Like trapped stalkers and collosi :D

Having a spell that kinda garantee the OS of a massive unit is a bit ridiculous still :p

Were not ultras and broods unyoinkable?

Yeah but who care about mirror matchups :D

I do. I miss the SH-Brood-Festor ZvZs.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Foreverkul
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1649 Posts
July 28 2014 11:51 GMT
#902
Maru is like "I am bad lel"
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
July 28 2014 11:51 GMT
#903
Maru: "TY is easy."

PL cuts to shot of TY's face.

Stay classy. :D
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 28 2014 11:52 GMT
#904
On July 28 2014 20:51 GumBa wrote:
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On July 28 2014 20:49 Faust852 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:48 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
Anyway, the more I see them, the more I think Vipers are ridiculous as fuck.

The unit was designed to be ridiculous against something without mobility. Like trapped stalkers and collosi :D

Having a spell that kinda garantee the OS of a massive unit is a bit ridiculous still :p

Ever heard of the defiler? Now that unit was insane

I don't like comparisons between BW and SC2.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
July 28 2014 11:52 GMT
#905
On July 28 2014 20:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Poor Kyo-, he isn't posting anymore, is he the Protoss version of GumBa?

Wat
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
July 28 2014 11:52 GMT
#906
On July 28 2014 20:51 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:49 Faust852 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:48 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
Anyway, the more I see them, the more I think Vipers are ridiculous as fuck.

The unit was designed to be ridiculous against something without mobility. Like trapped stalkers and collosi :D

Having a spell that kinda garantee the OS of a massive unit is a bit ridiculous still :p

Ever heard of the defiler? Now that unit was insane

Not to mention that to counter it as P you had to build unit nobody ever built /sarcasm (yes, i am aware Dark Archons were being introduced closer to the end of BW).
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
July 28 2014 11:52 GMT
#907
On July 28 2014 20:50 Paljas wrote:
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On July 28 2014 20:48 BlackCompany wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:45 Yello wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:43 BlackCompany wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:41 Yello wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:38 BlackCompany wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:37 GumBa wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:34 BlackCompany wrote:
Damn you zerg for going 3 hatch before pool, i'm still trying to make 3CC before rax viable as terran

I actually do that sometimes vs a friend of mine.


Haha, well my results on the ladder are not really good enough that it is worth trying, Protoss really loves DTs and oracles.
And SCVs cant shoot up or detect invisible stuff :p

Though i actually won vs a Z sometimes


it's not even worth it against Zerg I think because you delay Mules and tech too much. I think CC first, then one rax and then third CC would be better


Well last time i laddered i was somewhere between Plat and Diamond, so whats best is actually not my biggest concern
I like doing crazy stuff, plus if that 3rd CC is hidden... well not many people are good at scouting xD


ah cool. It's nice to know that some people are still there that don't take a super serious approach to laddering. I noticed that SC2 has made me somewhat of a try-hard


I dont really ladder a lot tbh, so when i do i just mess a little bit arround. Not really crazy stuff like 1 base BCcccccccc, but i'm not trying to do super refined builds.

I still play marine/tank TvZ most of the time just because tanks are awesome TT

pro strat: lift into the inbase natural on nimbus and confuse your oponent
a good follow up is two port banshee


Can be dangerous though, sometimes enemies leave the game when i float (to the gold on habitation for example) thinking it was a mistake they got this game xD
And then i get my strat denied :/
Kitaen
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria466 Posts
July 28 2014 11:52 GMT
#908
what format do they play tomorrow?
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
July 28 2014 11:53 GMT
#909
On July 28 2014 20:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Poor Kyo-, he isn't posting anymore, is he the Protoss version of GumBa?


This was a beautiful game by Zest. At the very end he made a few bad choices with his army comp and decided to stay in the middle of the map. He more than likely did not count on vipers as he only warped in 1 HT. It happens but that is most certainly heart-breaking for him. The game was so in his favor it was kind of depressing to watch.

Of course, you're allowed to think otherwise if you'd like! :D
Anime is cuter than you. Legacy of the Void GM Protoss Gameplay: twitch.tv/kyo7763 youtube.com/user/KyoStarcraft/
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 12:05:31
July 28 2014 11:53 GMT
#910
On July 28 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
Anyway, the more I see them, the more I think Vipers are ridiculous as fuck.

Vipers are super binary, they either destroy you or just die to feedback. Basically, if zerg gets ahead early and gets maxed on roach/hydra with a few vipers before toss can get both HT and colossus, the game ends instantly, if you cannot protect your big AOE units from abduct, you're dead.

Blinding cloud is more interesting because it can be worked around and forces the opponent to make really hard decisions very quickly.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 28 2014 11:53 GMT
#911
On July 28 2014 20:52 Kitaen wrote:
what format do they play tomorrow?


Pro League format tomorrow
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18629 Posts
July 28 2014 11:53 GMT
#912
On July 28 2014 20:52 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:51 GumBa wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:49 Faust852 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:48 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
Anyway, the more I see them, the more I think Vipers are ridiculous as fuck.

The unit was designed to be ridiculous against something without mobility. Like trapped stalkers and collosi :D

Having a spell that kinda garantee the OS of a massive unit is a bit ridiculous still :p

Ever heard of the defiler? Now that unit was insane

Not to mention that to counter it as P you had to build unit nobody ever built /sarcasm (yes, i am aware Dark Archons were being introduced closer to the end of BW).


Huh? The counter to every zerg unit was storm
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 28 2014 11:53 GMT
#913
On July 28 2014 20:53 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
Anyway, the more I see them, the more I think Vipers are ridiculous as fuck.

Vipers are super binary, they either destroy you or just die to feedback. Basically, if zerg gets ahead early and gets maxed on roach/hydra with a few vipers before toss can get both HT and colossus, the game ends instantly, if you cannot protect your big AOE units from abduct, you're dead.

Blinding cloud is more interesting because it can be worked around and forced the opponent to make really hard decisions very quickly.


So it's almost as stupid as Vortex in WoL ? D:
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
July 28 2014 11:53 GMT
#914
On July 28 2014 20:52 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:51 GumBa wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:49 Faust852 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:48 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
Anyway, the more I see them, the more I think Vipers are ridiculous as fuck.

The unit was designed to be ridiculous against something without mobility. Like trapped stalkers and collosi :D

Having a spell that kinda garantee the OS of a massive unit is a bit ridiculous still :p

Ever heard of the defiler? Now that unit was insane

Not to mention that to counter it as P you had to build unit nobody ever built /sarcasm (yes, i am aware Dark Archons were being introduced closer to the end of BW).

Dark archons always hyped me whenever I saw them :D
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Wertheron
Profile Joined October 2011
France439 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 11:56:26
July 28 2014 11:54 GMT
#915
On July 28 2014 20:50 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:50 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:49 Faust852 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:48 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
Anyway, the more I see them, the more I think Vipers are ridiculous as fuck.

The unit was designed to be ridiculous against something without mobility. Like trapped stalkers and collosi :D

Having a spell that kinda garantee the OS of a massive unit is a bit ridiculous still :p

Were not ultras and broods unyoinkable?

Yeah but who care about mirror matchups :D


Vipers are still difficult to use, and often they do nothing in a game. So it's not "OP". But yes their spells can be really strong
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
July 28 2014 11:54 GMT
#916
On July 28 2014 20:53 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:52 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:51 GumBa wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:49 Faust852 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:48 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
Anyway, the more I see them, the more I think Vipers are ridiculous as fuck.

The unit was designed to be ridiculous against something without mobility. Like trapped stalkers and collosi :D

Having a spell that kinda garantee the OS of a massive unit is a bit ridiculous still :p

Ever heard of the defiler? Now that unit was insane

Not to mention that to counter it as P you had to build unit nobody ever built /sarcasm (yes, i am aware Dark Archons were being introduced closer to the end of BW).


Huh? The counter to every zerg unit was storm

Feedback was more certain counter to defiler. And maelstrom (or whatever it was) much more certain counter to ultra-ling for storms to do work. But yeah, storm counters everything.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
July 28 2014 11:55 GMT
#917
On July 28 2014 20:52 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Poor Kyo-, he isn't posting anymore, is he the Protoss version of GumBa?

Wat

Well, when Innovation(or some other Terran) loses the game, you usually get depressed, get heartattack, stop posting or just get banned. :D

Kyo- was posting minutes ago how Zest is amazing and how it is just a matter of time before Rogue ggs and he is nowhere to be seen now. I don't blame him though, it looked pretty over for Rogue and I would also be pissed if my favorite player made a bunch of mistakes and lose the game that he had in the bag.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 11:56:44
July 28 2014 11:56 GMT
#918
On July 28 2014 20:53 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
Anyway, the more I see them, the more I think Vipers are ridiculous as !@#$%^&*.

Vipers are super binary, they either destroy you or just die to feedback. Basically, if zerg gets ahead early and gets maxed on roach/hydra with a few vipers before toss can get both HT and colossus, the game ends instantly, if you cannot protect your big AOE units from abduct, you're dead.

Blinding cloud is more interesting because it can be worked around and forced the opponent to make really hard decisions very quickly.


Yeh. Though Blinding Cloud is a bit dumb vs Siege Tanks, it's fine vs everything else as they can micro out of it.
Abduct on the other hand is such a dumb spell.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 11:58:24
July 28 2014 11:57 GMT
#919
On July 28 2014 20:53 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:53 Squat wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
Anyway, the more I see them, the more I think Vipers are ridiculous as fuck.

Vipers are super binary, they either destroy you or just die to feedback. Basically, if zerg gets ahead early and gets maxed on roach/hydra with a few vipers before toss can get both HT and colossus, the game ends instantly, if you cannot protect your big AOE units from abduct, you're dead.

Blinding cloud is more interesting because it can be worked around and forced the opponent to make really hard decisions very quickly.


So it's almost as stupid as Vortex in WoL ? D:

Kind of, except that with vipers you know it's over before the fight even begins. You can't stop the maxed zerg roach/hydra with the supply you have at that time without colossus, and your colossi are guaranteed to die immediately. The fight is basically a death animation.

Vortex was still a gamble all the way up until it was cast, then once you knew how many broods vs archons went in it, you knew who would win.
Yeh. Though Blinding Cloud is a bit dumb vs Siege Tanks, it's fine vs everything else as they can micro out of it.
Abduct on the other hand is such a dumb spell.

It's not a great concept, but zerg could never beat skytoss or skyterran without it.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
July 28 2014 11:57 GMT
#920
On July 28 2014 20:55 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 20:52 GumBa wrote:
On July 28 2014 20:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Poor Kyo-, he isn't posting anymore, is he the Protoss version of GumBa?

Wat

Well, when Innovation(or some other Terran) loses the game, you usually get depressed, get heartattack, stop posting or just get banned. :D

Kyo- was posting minutes ago how Zest is amazing and how it is just a matter of time before Rogue ggs and he is nowhere to be seen now. I don't blame him though, it looked pretty over for Rogue and I would also be pissed if my favorite player made a bunch of mistakes and lose the game that he had in the bag.

An Inno loss is a loss for everyone and everyone is sad then
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
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