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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 25 2014 22:55 GMT
#121
On June 26 2014 07:54 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:50 Bongy wrote:
I don't watch sc2 even half as often as I did before, but it's always a delight when NesTea is back at bigger events


Then you should stop watching before he plays

Blasphemy. The Creator of the Universe will smite the mightiest of TL mods.
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
June 25 2014 22:55 GMT
#122
Revival go roach drop pls
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-25 22:55:54
June 25 2014 22:55 GMT
#123
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote:
Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?


Pretty much what happened in BW as well. Seems like it tt
AdministratorBreak the chains
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
June 25 2014 22:55 GMT
#124
On June 26 2014 07:52 coL.hendralisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:48 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 26 2014 07:47 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 26 2014 07:45 ThomasjServo wrote:
Did hydras come out at all that match?

Hydras never come out in ZvZ anymore, after they were used a lot more after the patch went through, it's just went back to pure roach v roach. Not sure why tho.


I don't get it at all. Even my plat-dia understanding of the game says if Revival built a hydra den when he first went across the map (the battle vs 7 queens) and just made roach hydra vs hyuns roach he would have rolled him.


I don't think either player can float the resources to make the hydra den and then make a high enough hydra count to make a diff without dying to roach



That would make sense. But shouldn't Revival be safe (relatively, it still is Hyun) if he had just traded and ran instead of trying to push the issue? Hyun was really low on roaches
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
June 25 2014 22:56 GMT
#125
HyuN knows how to concave his Roaches like no other.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 25 2014 22:56 GMT
#126
On June 26 2014 07:55 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote:
Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?


Pretty much what happened in BW as well. Seems like it tt

That was my thought process. Roach on roach is the new (but kind of old) muta ling scourge.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 25 2014 22:56 GMT
#127
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote:
Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?


Well we did nerf fungal.
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 25 2014 22:57 GMT
#128
On June 26 2014 07:56 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote:
Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?


Well we did nerf fungal.

Soon, roaches are un-fungle-able. (Too many hyphens for comfort)
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
June 25 2014 22:57 GMT
#129
On June 26 2014 07:53 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:49 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

(Z)HyuN vs (Z)Revival
1-0


Map: Habitation Station


Revival spawns in the top right
Hyun spawns in the top left

2:00
Hatchery after spawning pool from both players.

3:00
Queen for both players.
Revival has more APM.

4:00
HyuN mined some gas and researched zergling speed.
HyuN sending a drone to the gold base, taking it.

5:00
Roach warren! and an evolution chamber and extractor for Revival.
Lair for Revival as well as a second evolution chamber.

6:00
Revival scouts the gold.
HyuN got a lair as well and a roach warren.
HyuN sends lots of drones to the gold.

8:00 (Z)HyuN 68 vs (Z)Revival 77
Roach speed and +1 attack from both players.
Revival takes his gold base.
Roach roach.
HyuN getting even more roaches.

9:00 (Z)HyuN 118 vs (Z)Revival 111
Revival never used his second evolution chamber.
Revival attacks and gets promptly surrounded, losing roaches to HyuN's roaches.
HyuN chases Revival's roaches with his roaches to the watchtower.
20 zerglings! and more roaches for HyuN.

10:00 (Z)HyuN 121 vs (Z)Revival 105
HyuN clearing creep.
HyuN sends roaches and his zerglings to Revival's general bases.
Transfuses on Revival's roaches.
HyuN reinforces with zerglings.
More roaches for both players.
HyuN killing more roaches of Revival.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
June 25 2014 22:57 GMT
#130
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote:
Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?

Have you seen Scarlett's recent ZvZ's? Quite different if you ask me.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
June 25 2014 22:58 GMT
#131
On June 26 2014 07:57 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:56 stuchiu wrote:
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote:
Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?


Well we did nerf fungal.

Soon, roaches are un-fungle-able. (Too many hyphens for comfort)

What would be a decent way to change the meta from pure Roach? A slight buff to Hydras?
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
June 25 2014 22:58 GMT
#132
On June 26 2014 07:57 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:53 The_Templar wrote:
On June 26 2014 07:49 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

(Z)HyuN vs (Z)Revival
1-0


Map: Habitation Station


Revival spawns in the top right
Hyun spawns in the top left

2:00
Hatchery after spawning pool from both players.

3:00
Queen for both players.
Revival has more APM.

4:00
HyuN mined some gas and researched zergling speed.
HyuN sending a drone to the gold base, taking it.

5:00
Roach warren! and an evolution chamber and extractor for Revival.
Lair for Revival as well as a second evolution chamber.

6:00
Revival scouts the gold.
HyuN got a lair as well and a roach warren.
HyuN sends lots of drones to the gold.

8:00 (Z)HyuN 68 vs (Z)Revival 77
Roach speed and +1 attack from both players.
Revival takes his gold base.
Roach roach.
HyuN getting even more roaches.

9:00 (Z)HyuN 118 vs (Z)Revival 111
Revival never used his second evolution chamber.
Revival attacks and gets promptly surrounded, losing roaches to HyuN's roaches.
HyuN chases Revival's roaches with his roaches to the watchtower.
20 zerglings! and more roaches for HyuN.

10:00 (Z)HyuN 121 vs (Z)Revival 105
HyuN clearing creep.
HyuN sends roaches and his zerglings to Revival's general bases.
Transfuses on Revival's roaches.
HyuN reinforces with zerglings.
More roaches for both players.
HyuN killing more roaches of Revival.

12:00 (Z)HyuN 117 vs (Z)Revival 90
Revival's roaches get surrounded by zerglings and more roaches from HyuN.
HyuN has out-roached Revival.
HyuN moves roaches into Revival's roach-like natural.
Revival runs out of roaches and GG's!

HyuN wins 2-0!
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
June 25 2014 22:58 GMT
#133
On June 26 2014 07:55 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote:
Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?


Pretty much what happened in BW as well. Seems like it tt

At least muta/ling/scourge was fast paced and really micro intensive. Massed roach fights are like watching two drunk hillbillies at a local tough man contest in rural Oklahoma wing haymakers until one of them falls over.

Also Hyun made more roaches than Revival, and is therefore your winner.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
June 25 2014 22:58 GMT
#134
Poll: Recommend HyuN vs Revival Game 2?

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
 
67%

★★★- Good game (2)
 
33%

★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

6 total votes

Your vote: Recommend HyuN vs Revival Game 2?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season


Poll: Recommend HyuN vs Revival Game 3?

★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
 
43%

★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
14%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
 
14%

★★★- Good game (1)
 
14%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
 
14%

7 total votes

Your vote: Recommend HyuN vs Revival Game 3?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season



ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17749 Posts
June 25 2014 22:58 GMT
#135
On June 26 2014 07:58 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:57 ThomasjServo wrote:
On June 26 2014 07:56 stuchiu wrote:
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote:
Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?


Well we did nerf fungal.

Soon, roaches are un-fungle-able. (Too many hyphens for comfort)

What would be a decent way to change the meta from pure Roach? A slight buff to Hydras?

nerf to spores vs bio?
"Expert" mods4ever.com
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
June 25 2014 22:59 GMT
#136
On June 26 2014 07:58 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:57 ThomasjServo wrote:
On June 26 2014 07:56 stuchiu wrote:
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote:
Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?


Well we did nerf fungal.

Soon, roaches are un-fungle-able. (Too many hyphens for comfort)

What would be a decent way to change the meta from pure Roach? A slight buff to Hydras?

Nah, they buffed hydras already, don't want to be OP against Protoss (actually, that would be nice ). I think maybe slightly nerfing the spore crawler that they buffed last year.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
June 25 2014 22:59 GMT
#137
On June 26 2014 07:58 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:55 Zealously wrote:
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote:
Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?


Pretty much what happened in BW as well. Seems like it tt

At least muta/ling/scourge was fast paced and really micro intensive. Massed roach fights are like watching two drunk hillbillies at a local tough man contest in rural Oklahoma wing haymakers until one of them falls over.

Also Hyun made more roaches than Revival, and is therefore your winner.

Little more complicated than that, he had to concave slightly at least.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
June 25 2014 22:59 GMT
#138
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote:
Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?


Topic: Hey, there's a WCS group on with 3 really talented players! Let's talk about it!
The world is better when every background has a chance.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
June 25 2014 22:59 GMT
#139
On June 26 2014 07:57 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote:
Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?

Have you seen Scarlett's recent ZvZ's? Quite different if you ask me.

Her stalker/zealot all in was pretty fucking genius.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
June 25 2014 22:59 GMT
#140
On June 26 2014 07:58 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:57 ThomasjServo wrote:
On June 26 2014 07:56 stuchiu wrote:
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote:
Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?


Well we did nerf fungal.

Soon, roaches are un-fungle-able. (Too many hyphens for comfort)

What would be a decent way to change the meta from pure Roach? A slight buff to Hydras?



I would be curious about the repercussions of giving infested terrans upgrades again. Maybe not actual range/armor upgrades but something at the infestation pit similar to hi sect auto tracking or durable materials
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