★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend HyuN vs Revival Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend HyuN vs Revival Game 2?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
67%
★★★- Good game (2)
33%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend HyuN vs Revival Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend HyuN vs Revival Game 3?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
43%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
14%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
14%
★★★- Good game (1)
14%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
14%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend HyuN vs Revival Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
100%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Alicia vs Nestea Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Alicia vs Nestea Game 2?
★★★- Good game (4)
67%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
17%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Alicia vs Nestea Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Alicia vs Nestea Game 3?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
60%
★★★- Good game (1)
20%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
20%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Alicia vs Nestea Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
0 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners' match Game 2?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
75%
★★★- Good game (1)
25%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners' match Game 3?
★★★- Good game (1)
100%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
1 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
2 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers' match Game 2?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
67%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
33%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers' match Game 3?
★★★- Good game (4)
100%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
★★★- Good game (5)
100%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
★★★- Good game (4)
80%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
20%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
HyuN should be a lock for the Ro8 from recent results and I expect Revival or Alicia depending on their form. Sorry NesTea but I don't feel this is your day.
WCS AM S2 Premier - HyuN is at ~ 100 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 71.26 % of the time HyuN wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 100 %. ~ 28.74 % of the time HyuN loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 100 %. ------------------------------------------------- - NesTea is at ~ 1.78 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 36.93 % of the time NesTea wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 4.25 %. ~ 63.07 % of the time NesTea loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.34 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Alicia is at ~ 15.81 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 51.28 % of the time Alicia wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 25.82 %. ~ 48.72 % of the time Alicia loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 5.28 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Revival is at ~ 8.36 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 40.53 % of the time Revival wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 16.36 %. ~ 59.47 % of the time Revival loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 2.92 %.
On June 26 2014 07:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Whenever I think of Revival and ZvZ I think of that stupidly awesome Revival ByuL game last season.
That was like watching Revival cross the street and then a car is about to hit him. Then BAM, the car explodes, but the debris are flying everywhere, but Revival fucking dodges only to hit his head into a fire hydrant. He then gets up and is mugged by guys with guns and is about to get shot but then one of the thugs backstabs his friends and Revival gets the fuck out of there, but is then chased by a pack of ravenous dogs. He crashes through a butcher shop, throws the meat at the ravenous dogs to only have the butcher try to stab him, only to have the previous thugs start shooting up the butcher and the police coming in to shoot the thugs. After surviving all of that Revival, walks home to only have a piano fall out of the sky and almost land on top of him until mutas swoop in from nowhere and die for him.
On June 26 2014 07:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Whenever I think of Revival and ZvZ I think of that stupidly awesome Revival ByuL game last season.
That was like watching Revival cross the street and then a car is about to hit him. Then BAM, the car explodes, but the debris are flying everywhere, but Revival fucking dodges only to hit his head into a fire hydrant. He then gets up and is mugged by guys with guns and is about to get shot but then one of the thugs backstabs his friends and Revival gets the fuck out of there, but is then chased by a pack of ravenous dogs. He crashes through a butcher shop, throws the meat at the ravenous dogs to only have the butcher try to stab him, only to have the previous thugs start shooting up the butcher and the police coming in to shoot the thugs. After surviving all of that Revival, walks home to only have a piano fall out of the sky and almost land on top of him until mutas swoop in from nowhere and die for him.
On June 26 2014 07:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Whenever I think of Revival and ZvZ I think of that stupidly awesome Revival ByuL game last season.
That was like watching Revival cross the street and then a car is about to hit him. Then BAM, the car explodes, but the debris are flying everywhere, but Revival fucking dodges only to hit his head into a fire hydrant. He then gets up and is mugged by guys with guns and is about to get shot but then one of the thugs backstabs his friends and Revival gets the fuck out of there, but is then chased by a pack of ravenous dogs. He crashes through a butcher shop, throws the meat at the ravenous dogs to only have the butcher try to stab him, only to have the previous thugs start shooting up the butcher and the police coming in to shoot the thugs. After surviving all of that Revival, walks home to only have a piano fall out of the sky and almost land on top of him until mutas swoop in from nowhere and die for him.
On June 26 2014 07:19 Undead1993 wrote: ToD expects roaches, let's see
impossible!
Wow. After ToD says "10 pool" on stream - ON STREAM, nobody even said it in the thread - you appear.
I like to imagine that Stuchiu has a secret lair where he has multiple machines scanning for the mention of ten pools all across the globe just so that he can be there.
On June 26 2014 07:19 Undead1993 wrote: ToD expects roaches, let's see
impossible!
Wow. After ToD says "10 pool" on stream - ON STREAM, nobody even said it in the thread - you appear.
I like to imagine that Stuchiu has a secret lair where he has multiple machines scanning for the mention of ten pools all across the globe just so that he can be there.
I imagine it to be more like Spider Sense. He just has a supernatural ability to tell when someone is talking about a 10 Pool.
Revival spawns in the bottom left Hyun spawns in the top right
2:00 Spawning pool first for Revival. HyuN going 15/15 before expanding. Both players expand.
3:00 Both players getting a queen. Zergling speed for HyuN. Revival building 2 zerglings.
4:00 Revival scouting with 2 zerglings, seeing the natural. HyuN has two zerglings to try to prevent a scout. HyuN had a bunch of zerglings in his main which he tries to hide, but fails.
5:00 HyuN moving towards Revival's natural, killing a spine crawler, some zerglings, and a queen, but doesn't get into the main. Drones on the way for HyuN.
Revival spawns in the bottom left Hyun spawns in the top right
2:00 Spawning pool first for Revival. HyuN going 15/15 before expanding. Both players expand.
3:00 Both players getting a queen. Zergling speed for HyuN. Revival building 2 zerglings.
4:00 Revival scouting with 2 zerglings, seeing the natural. HyuN has two zerglings to try to prevent a scout. HyuN had a bunch of zerglings in his main which he tries to hide, but fails.
5:00 HyuN moving towards Revival's natural, killing a spine crawler, some zerglings, and a queen, but doesn't get into the main. Drones on the way for HyuN.
6:00 HyuN tries to attack again and catches Revival off-guard.
7:00 Revival trying to get zergling speed now. HyuN is held off by the last of the queens and reinforcement zerglings.
8:00 HyuN 44 vs Revival 48 HyuN moving out again but Revival has a queen and a bunch of zerglings, leaving HyuN with 3 nearly dead zerglings. HyuN gets a full scout on a roach warren and a lair. HyuN getting his own lair. +1 carapace for Revival.
9:00 HyuN 50 vs Revival Revival tries a small counterattack but HyuN is ready. HyuN's not completely ready and two zerglings get into the main, killing one drone.
10:00 HyuN 54 vs Revival 57 Both players taking a third base. Roach speed for both players. +1 ranged attack for both players. Both players on 52 drones. Second evolution chamber for HyuN.
On June 26 2014 07:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote: What took players so long to start using contaminate in ZvZ? It's so good in making upgrade timing windows.
Revival spawns in the bottom left Hyun spawns in the top right
2:00 Spawning pool first for Revival. HyuN going 15/15 before expanding. Both players expand.
3:00 Both players getting a queen. Zergling speed for HyuN. Revival building 2 zerglings.
4:00 Revival scouting with 2 zerglings, seeing the natural. HyuN has two zerglings to try to prevent a scout. HyuN had a bunch of zerglings in his main which he tries to hide, but fails.
5:00 HyuN moving towards Revival's natural, killing a spine crawler, some zerglings, and a queen, but doesn't get into the main. Drones on the way for HyuN.
6:00 HyuN tries to attack again and catches Revival off-guard.
7:00 Revival trying to get zergling speed now. HyuN is held off by the last of the queens and reinforcement zerglings.
8:00 HyuN 44 vs Revival 48 HyuN moving out again but Revival has a queen and a bunch of zerglings, leaving HyuN with 3 nearly dead zerglings. HyuN gets a full scout on a roach warren and a lair. HyuN getting his own lair. +1 carapace for Revival.
9:00 HyuN 50 vs Revival Revival tries a small counterattack but HyuN is ready. HyuN's not completely ready and two zerglings get into the main, killing one drone.
10:00 HyuN 54 vs Revival 57 Both players taking a third base. Roach speed for both players. +1 ranged attack for both players. Both players on 52 drones. Second evolution chamber for HyuN.
11:00 HyuN 70 vs Revival 75 +2 carapce for Revival, +1 for HyuN. Both players building roaches.
12:00 HyuN 108 vs Revival 91 Both players still building roaches. HyuN moving out with some roaches. +2 attack starts for Revival a lot faster than HyuN. Roaches engage roaches at Revival's third base. HyuN gets a small concave. HyuN killing roaches with roaches. Revival gets more roaches and pushes his opponent's roaches back.
13:00 HyuN 107 vs Revival 133 HyuN's +1 carapace gets contaminated. Revival moving out with roaches.
14:00 HyuN 131 vs Revival 149 Roaches engage roaches at HyuN's third base. Roaches back off from both sides. Revival reinforcing roaches. Roaches busting through HyuN's rocks. Both players contaminating the third hatcheries. Contaminate on Revival's +2 attack.
15:00 HyuN 163 vs Revival 169 HyuN engages before +2 finishes for either players. Burrowed roaches unburrow and engages roaches outside HyuN's natural. HyuN losing roaches to Revival's roaches. Revival has more roaches and chases HyuN to his natural choke. HyuN trades roaches a bit better after reinforcing roaches.
On June 26 2014 07:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote: What took players so long to start using contaminate in ZvZ? It's so good in making upgrade timing windows.
Same reason Protoss only recently started considering Hallucination in new ways.
On June 26 2014 07:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote: What took players so long to start using contaminate in ZvZ? It's so good in making upgrade timing windows.
Same reason Protoss only recently started considering Hallucination in new ways.
Protoss used hallucination cause it was free.
Basically no one listened to Nestea when he told everyone the power of contanimate despite 4-0ing losira in GSL
On June 26 2014 07:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote: What took players so long to start using contaminate in ZvZ? It's so good in making upgrade timing windows.
Same reason Protoss only recently started considering Hallucination in new ways.
Protoss used hallucination cause it was free.
Basically no one listened to Nestea when he told everyone the power of contanimate despite 4-0ing losira in GSL
Seems like only the last few weeks I've seen pro toss really consistently in ZvP specifically, but this is casual observation.
Revival spawns in the bottom left Hyun spawns in the top right
2:00 Spawning pool first for Revival. HyuN going 15/15 before expanding. Both players expand.
3:00 Both players getting a queen. Zergling speed for HyuN. Revival building 2 zerglings.
4:00 Revival scouting with 2 zerglings, seeing the natural. HyuN has two zerglings to try to prevent a scout. HyuN had a bunch of zerglings in his main which he tries to hide, but fails.
5:00 HyuN moving towards Revival's natural, killing a spine crawler, some zerglings, and a queen, but doesn't get into the main. Drones on the way for HyuN.
6:00 HyuN tries to attack again and catches Revival off-guard.
7:00 Revival trying to get zergling speed now. HyuN is held off by the last of the queens and reinforcement zerglings.
8:00 HyuN 44 vs Revival 48 HyuN moving out again but Revival has a queen and a bunch of zerglings, leaving HyuN with 3 nearly dead zerglings. HyuN gets a full scout on a roach warren and a lair. HyuN getting his own lair. +1 carapace for Revival.
9:00 HyuN 50 vs Revival Revival tries a small counterattack but HyuN is ready. HyuN's not completely ready and two zerglings get into the main, killing one drone.
10:00 HyuN 54 vs Revival 57 Both players taking a third base. Roach speed for both players. +1 ranged attack for both players. Both players on 52 drones. Second evolution chamber for HyuN.
11:00 HyuN 70 vs Revival 75 +2 carapce for Revival, +1 for HyuN. Both players building roaches.
12:00 HyuN 108 vs Revival 91 Both players still building roaches. HyuN moving out with some roaches. +2 attack starts for Revival a lot faster than HyuN. Roaches engage roaches at Revival's third base. HyuN gets a small concave. HyuN killing roaches with roaches. Revival gets more roaches and pushes his opponent's roaches back.
13:00 HyuN 107 vs Revival 133 HyuN's +1 carapace gets contaminated. Revival moving out with roaches.
14:00 HyuN 131 vs Revival 149 Roaches engage roaches at HyuN's third base. Roaches back off from both sides. Revival reinforcing roaches. Roaches busting through HyuN's rocks. Both players contaminating the third hatcheries. Contaminate on Revival's +2 attack.
15:00 HyuN 163 vs Revival 169 HyuN engages before +2 finishes for either players. Burrowed roaches unburrow and engages roaches outside HyuN's natural. HyuN losing roaches to Revival's roaches. Revival has more roaches and chases HyuN to his natural choke. HyuN trades roaches a bit better after reinforcing roaches.
17:00 HyuN 117 vs Revival 135 HyuN using his queens to fight. Revival's roaches back up. Revival goes for HyuN's roaches again. Queens transfuse HyuN's roaches.
18:00 HyuN 129 vs Revival 145 Roaches from Revival go for HyuN's third. HyuN brings his roaches to his third base. More roaches for both players. Revival attacks HyuN between the natural and third. Roaches attack each other. HyuN brings queens with his roaches, in fact all of them. Revival loses roaches and backs off again.
19:00 HyuN 149 vs Revival 135 More roaches for both players. HyuN taking the gold as his fourth. Revival getting a defensive spine crawler. Revival taking the gold as his fourth. HyuN's roaches move out. HyuN tries burrowed roaches but an overseer sees it. HyuN attacks Revival's gold with roaches. Revival tries to defend with half his roaches while his other roaches ar out of position. HyuN attacking Revival's natural with roaches.
21:00 HyuN 156 vs Revival 119 Roach numbers lowering in the battle. HyuN manages to break the fourth of Revival with roaches. HyuN attacks the fourth gold and kills it.
On June 26 2014 07:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote: What took players so long to start using contaminate in ZvZ? It's so good in making upgrade timing windows.
Same reason Protoss only recently started considering Hallucination in new ways.
Protoss used hallucination cause it was free.
Basically no one listened to Nestea when he told everyone the power of contanimate despite 4-0ing losira in GSL
That was such a good final. Losira trying so hard and Nestea just rejecting everything he did
Revival spawns in the bottom left Hyun spawns in the top right
2:00 Spawning pool first for Revival. HyuN going 15/15 before expanding. Both players expand.
3:00 Both players getting a queen. Zergling speed for HyuN. Revival building 2 zerglings.
4:00 Revival scouting with 2 zerglings, seeing the natural. HyuN has two zerglings to try to prevent a scout. HyuN had a bunch of zerglings in his main which he tries to hide, but fails.
5:00 HyuN moving towards Revival's natural, killing a spine crawler, some zerglings, and a queen, but doesn't get into the main. Drones on the way for HyuN.
6:00 HyuN tries to attack again and catches Revival off-guard.
7:00 Revival trying to get zergling speed now. HyuN is held off by the last of the queens and reinforcement zerglings.
8:00 HyuN 44 vs Revival 48 HyuN moving out again but Revival has a queen and a bunch of zerglings, leaving HyuN with 3 nearly dead zerglings. HyuN gets a full scout on a roach warren and a lair. HyuN getting his own lair. +1 carapace for Revival.
9:00 HyuN 50 vs Revival Revival tries a small counterattack but HyuN is ready. HyuN's not completely ready and two zerglings get into the main, killing one drone.
10:00 HyuN 54 vs Revival 57 Both players taking a third base. Roach speed for both players. +1 ranged attack for both players. Both players on 52 drones. Second evolution chamber for HyuN.
11:00 HyuN 70 vs Revival 75 +2 carapce for Revival, +1 for HyuN. Both players building roaches.
12:00 HyuN 108 vs Revival 91 Both players still building roaches. HyuN moving out with some roaches. +2 attack starts for Revival a lot faster than HyuN. Roaches engage roaches at Revival's third base. HyuN gets a small concave. HyuN killing roaches with roaches. Revival gets more roaches and pushes his opponent's roaches back.
13:00 HyuN 107 vs Revival 133 HyuN's +1 carapace gets contaminated. Revival moving out with roaches.
14:00 HyuN 131 vs Revival 149 Roaches engage roaches at HyuN's third base. Roaches back off from both sides. Revival reinforcing roaches. Roaches busting through HyuN's rocks. Both players contaminating the third hatcheries. Contaminate on Revival's +2 attack.
15:00 HyuN 163 vs Revival 169 HyuN engages before +2 finishes for either players. Burrowed roaches unburrow and engages roaches outside HyuN's natural. HyuN losing roaches to Revival's roaches. Revival has more roaches and chases HyuN to his natural choke. HyuN trades roaches a bit better after reinforcing roaches.
17:00 HyuN 117 vs Revival 135 HyuN using his queens to fight. Revival's roaches back up. Revival goes for HyuN's roaches again. Queens transfuse HyuN's roaches.
18:00 HyuN 129 vs Revival 145 Roaches from Revival go for HyuN's third. HyuN brings his roaches to his third base. More roaches for both players. Revival attacks HyuN between the natural and third. Roaches attack each other. HyuN brings queens with his roaches, in fact all of them. Revival loses roaches and backs off again.
19:00 HyuN 149 vs Revival 135 More roaches for both players. HyuN taking the gold as his fourth. Revival getting a defensive spine crawler. Revival taking the gold as his fourth. HyuN's roaches move out. HyuN tries burrowed roaches but an overseer sees it. HyuN attacks Revival's gold with roaches. Revival tries to defend with half his roaches while his other roaches ar out of position. HyuN attacking Revival's natural with roaches.
21:00 HyuN 156 vs Revival 119 Roach numbers lowering in the battle. HyuN manages to break the fourth of Revival with roaches. HyuN attacks the fourth gold and kills it.
22:00 HyuN 174 vs Revival 122 HyuN is 6 workers ahead and has the gold. HyuN is building more roaches. Literally this entire game is just roaches. Not even an infestation pit or hydralisk den. HyuN gets into Revival's natural with roaches and kills some roaches and drones as well as a queen. HyuN moves in with roaches and Revival GG's.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend HyuN vs Revival Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On June 26 2014 07:43 coL.hendralisk wrote: they have the player first person views on the side monitors like day1, but why dont they show fpvod at all?
On June 26 2014 07:42 Undead1993 wrote: hyun's macro is silly
Well zerg macro is not like terran macro, which actually takes some mechanics. The difference was his queen usage and Revival's over-aggression. Hyun should have been dead twice by my reckoning, but he held on with some very clutch fights.
Just wish roach fights were less deterministic, pure roach ZvZ is so predictable I can pretty much stop watching once one player maxes out with some key upgrades.
On June 26 2014 07:45 ThomasjServo wrote: Did hydras come out at all that match?
Hydras never come out in ZvZ anymore, after they were used a lot more after the patch went through, it's just went back to pure roach v roach. Not sure why tho.
On June 26 2014 07:45 ThomasjServo wrote: Did hydras come out at all that match?
Hydras never come out in ZvZ anymore, after they were used a lot more after the patch went through, it's just went back to pure roach v roach. Not sure why tho.
Nostalgia, if that is the case it is basically gifting Hyun ZvZ.
On June 26 2014 07:42 Undead1993 wrote: hyun's macro is silly
Well zerg macro is not like terran macro, which actually takes some mechanics. The difference was his queen usage and Revival's over-aggression. Hyun should have been dead twice by my reckoning, but he held on with some very clutch fights.
Just wish roach fights were less deterministic, pure roach ZvZ is so predictable I can pretty much stop watching once one player maxes out with some key upgrades.
On June 26 2014 07:45 ThomasjServo wrote: Did hydras come out at all that match?
Hydras never come out in ZvZ anymore, after they were used a lot more after the patch went through, it's just went back to pure roach v roach. Not sure why tho.
I don't get it at all. Even my plat-dia understanding of the game says if Revival built a hydra den when he first went across the map (the battle vs 7 queens) and just made roach hydra vs hyuns roach he would have rolled him.
On June 26 2014 07:42 Undead1993 wrote: hyun's macro is silly
Well zerg macro is not like terran macro, which actually takes some mechanics. The difference was his queen usage and Revival's over-aggression. Hyun should have been dead twice by my reckoning, but he held on with some very clutch fights.
Just wish roach fights were less deterministic, pure roach ZvZ is so predictable I can pretty much stop watching once one player maxes out with some key upgrades.
hey that's not fair to say about ZvZ roach wars after that match. it's usually true but revival had a supply AND upgrade lead and hyun's mechanics (being able to hold revival off until he could get a round of injects off so that he could bring the queens over to fight). that was a heroic hold, most pro zerg players wouldn't be able to do what he did. like you said, he held with some clutch fights!
On June 26 2014 07:42 Undead1993 wrote: hyun's macro is silly
Well zerg macro is not like terran macro, which actually takes some mechanics. The difference was his queen usage and Revival's over-aggression. Hyun should have been dead twice by my reckoning, but he held on with some very clutch fights.
Just wish roach fights were less deterministic, pure roach ZvZ is so predictable I can pretty much stop watching once one player maxes out with some key upgrades.
Roach Donut.
Yeah that happens once every 1000th game or so, and only because the other player screws up. It's so much of; player 1 gets a lead, gets 2+ attack and 200/200, while player B is stuck around 150-160, Player A attacks and wins. Attempt to transition when behind usually just results in instant death too.
On June 26 2014 07:45 ThomasjServo wrote: Did hydras come out at all that match?
Hydras never come out in ZvZ anymore, after they were used a lot more after the patch went through, it's just went back to pure roach v roach. Not sure why tho.
I don't get it at all. Even my plat-dia understanding of the game says if Revival built a hydra den when he first went across the map (the battle vs 7 queens) and just made roach hydra vs hyuns roach he would have rolled him.
I don't think either player can float the resources to make the hydra den and then make a high enough hydra count to make a diff without dying to roach
On June 26 2014 07:45 ThomasjServo wrote: Did hydras come out at all that match?
Hydras never come out in ZvZ anymore, after they were used a lot more after the patch went through, it's just went back to pure roach v roach. Not sure why tho.
I don't get it at all. Even my plat-dia understanding of the game says if Revival built a hydra den when he first went across the map (the battle vs 7 queens) and just made roach hydra vs hyuns roach he would have rolled him.
On June 26 2014 07:50 Bongy wrote: I don't watch sc2 even half as often as I did before, but it's always a delight when NesTea is back at bigger events
On June 26 2014 07:45 ThomasjServo wrote: Did hydras come out at all that match?
Hydras never come out in ZvZ anymore, after they were used a lot more after the patch went through, it's just went back to pure roach v roach. Not sure why tho.
I don't get it at all. Even my plat-dia understanding of the game says if Revival built a hydra den when he first went across the map (the battle vs 7 queens) and just made roach hydra vs hyuns roach he would have rolled him.
Hydras need speed and range to be effective, and you need at least 10+ to be worthwhile. It's just too much of an investment on that kind of eco. Your opponent will just bludgeon you by spamming roaches. He could have done when he was ahead true, but I'm pretty sure he though he could just kill Hyun if he massed roaches and attacked.
On June 26 2014 07:50 Bongy wrote: I don't watch sc2 even half as often as I did before, but it's always a delight when NesTea is back at bigger events
Then you should stop watching before he plays
Blasphemy. The Creator of the Universe will smite the mightiest of TL mods.
On June 26 2014 07:45 ThomasjServo wrote: Did hydras come out at all that match?
Hydras never come out in ZvZ anymore, after they were used a lot more after the patch went through, it's just went back to pure roach v roach. Not sure why tho.
I don't get it at all. Even my plat-dia understanding of the game says if Revival built a hydra den when he first went across the map (the battle vs 7 queens) and just made roach hydra vs hyuns roach he would have rolled him.
I don't think either player can float the resources to make the hydra den and then make a high enough hydra count to make a diff without dying to roach
That would make sense. But shouldn't Revival be safe (relatively, it still is Hyun) if he had just traded and ran instead of trying to push the issue? Hyun was really low on roaches
Revival spawns in the top right Hyun spawns in the top left
2:00 Hatchery after spawning pool from both players.
3:00 Queen for both players. Revival has more APM.
4:00 HyuN mined some gas and researched zergling speed. HyuN sending a drone to the gold base, taking it.
5:00 Roach warren! and an evolution chamber and extractor for Revival. Lair for Revival as well as a second evolution chamber.
6:00 Revival scouts the gold. HyuN got a lair as well and a roach warren. HyuN sends lots of drones to the gold.
8:00 HyuN 68 vs Revival 77 Roach speed and +1 attack from both players. Revival takes his gold base. Roach roach. HyuN getting even more roaches.
9:00 HyuN 118 vs Revival 111 Revival never used his second evolution chamber. Revival attacks and gets promptly surrounded, losing roaches to HyuN's roaches. HyuN chases Revival's roaches with his roaches to the watchtower. 20 zerglings! and more roaches for HyuN.
10:00 HyuN 121 vs Revival 105 HyuN clearing creep. HyuN sends roaches and his zerglings to Revival's general bases. Transfuses on Revival's roaches. HyuN reinforces with zerglings. More roaches for both players. HyuN killing more roaches of Revival.
Revival spawns in the top right Hyun spawns in the top left
2:00 Hatchery after spawning pool from both players.
3:00 Queen for both players. Revival has more APM.
4:00 HyuN mined some gas and researched zergling speed. HyuN sending a drone to the gold base, taking it.
5:00 Roach warren! and an evolution chamber and extractor for Revival. Lair for Revival as well as a second evolution chamber.
6:00 Revival scouts the gold. HyuN got a lair as well and a roach warren. HyuN sends lots of drones to the gold.
8:00 HyuN 68 vs Revival 77 Roach speed and +1 attack from both players. Revival takes his gold base. Roach roach. HyuN getting even more roaches.
9:00 HyuN 118 vs Revival 111 Revival never used his second evolution chamber. Revival attacks and gets promptly surrounded, losing roaches to HyuN's roaches. HyuN chases Revival's roaches with his roaches to the watchtower. 20 zerglings! and more roaches for HyuN.
10:00 HyuN 121 vs Revival 105 HyuN clearing creep. HyuN sends roaches and his zerglings to Revival's general bases. Transfuses on Revival's roaches. HyuN reinforces with zerglings. More roaches for both players. HyuN killing more roaches of Revival.
12:00 HyuN 117 vs Revival 90 Revival's roaches get surrounded by zerglings and more roaches from HyuN. HyuN has out-roached Revival. HyuN moves roaches into Revival's roach-like natural. Revival runs out of roaches and GG's!
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote: Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?
Pretty much what happened in BW as well. Seems like it tt
At least muta/ling/scourge was fast paced and really micro intensive. Massed roach fights are like watching two drunk hillbillies at a local tough man contest in rural Oklahoma wing haymakers until one of them falls over.
Also Hyun made more roaches than Revival, and is therefore your winner.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
67%
★★★- Good game (2)
33%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend HyuN vs Revival Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend HyuN vs Revival Game 3?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
43%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
14%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
14%
★★★- Good game (1)
14%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
14%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend HyuN vs Revival Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote: Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?
Well we did nerf fungal.
Soon, roaches are un-fungle-able. (Too many hyphens for comfort)
What would be a decent way to change the meta from pure Roach? A slight buff to Hydras?
Nah, they buffed hydras already, don't want to be OP against Protoss (actually, that would be nice ). I think maybe slightly nerfing the spore crawler that they buffed last year.
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote: Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?
Pretty much what happened in BW as well. Seems like it tt
At least muta/ling/scourge was fast paced and really micro intensive. Massed roach fights are like watching two drunk hillbillies at a local tough man contest in rural Oklahoma wing haymakers until one of them falls over.
Also Hyun made more roaches than Revival, and is therefore your winner.
Little more complicated than that, he had to concave slightly at least.
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote: Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?
Well we did nerf fungal.
Soon, roaches are un-fungle-able. (Too many hyphens for comfort)
What would be a decent way to change the meta from pure Roach? A slight buff to Hydras?
I would be curious about the repercussions of giving infested terrans upgrades again. Maybe not actual range/armor upgrades but something at the infestation pit similar to hi sect auto tracking or durable materials
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote: Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?
Well we did nerf fungal.
Soon, roaches are un-fungle-able. (Too many hyphens for comfort)
What would be a decent way to change the meta from pure Roach? A slight buff to Hydras?
Revert or lower the asinine spore buff. Mutas are now limited to overlord cleanup, it took such a massive chunk of potential strats out of the game. I'd watch muta/ling over mass roach any day.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
67%
★★★- Good game (2)
33%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend HyuN vs Revival Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend HyuN vs Revival Game 3?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
43%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
14%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
14%
★★★- Good game (1)
14%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
14%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend HyuN vs Revival Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote: Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?
Pretty much what happened in BW as well. Seems like it tt
At least muta/ling/scourge was fast paced and really micro intensive. Massed roach fights are like watching two drunk hillbillies at a local tough man contest in rural Oklahoma wing haymakers until one of them falls over.
Also Hyun made more roaches than Revival, and is therefore your winner.
Ling/bane knifefights was the best kind of ZvZ of all time, all games. I like your roach analogy, though, quite fitting.
On June 26 2014 08:02 stuchiu wrote: If you really wanted to change ZvZ comps, change the maps.
All of these maps are all PvZ friendly. Give me Antiga or TDA and you'll get Nestea vs DRG or DRG vs Effort games.
#bringbackantiga. I remember that map at its peak, one of the best examples of controlling the center to win in SC2. I would actually love a retro map revival.
On June 26 2014 07:54 ThomasjServo wrote: Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?
Pretty much what happened in BW as well. Seems like it tt
At least muta/ling/scourge was fast paced and really micro intensive. Massed roach fights are like watching two drunk hillbillies at a local tough man contest in rural Oklahoma wing haymakers until one of them falls over.
Also Hyun made more roaches than Revival, and is therefore your winner.
Ling/bane knifefights was the best kind of ZvZ of all time, all games. I like your roach analogy, though, quite fitting.
Yeah, it was exciting and games could change direction at the drop of a hat. A player who was down could turn everything around with a few magic bane hits. Now, if you are down on roaches and your 2+ is late, you can hope your opponent engages like a clown and not much else.
On June 26 2014 08:02 stuchiu wrote: If you really wanted to change ZvZ comps, change the maps.
All of these maps are all PvZ friendly. Give me Antiga or TDA and you'll get Nestea vs DRG or DRG vs Effort games.
#bringbackantiga. I remember that map at its peak, one of the best examples of controlling the center to win in SC2. I would actually love a retro map revival.
It'd be very interesting to see how the old maps would be played nowadays.. And even in LotV
Has there in the history of SC2 ever been a like 40 minute knifefight that never went above 25 drone total saturation the entire game? 38 minutes of pure, non stop action? That'd be instant #1 of the year.
On June 26 2014 08:02 stuchiu wrote: If you really wanted to change ZvZ comps, change the maps.
All of these maps are all PvZ friendly. Give me Antiga or TDA and you'll get Nestea vs DRG or DRG vs Effort games.
#bringbackantiga. I remember that map at its peak, one of the best examples of controlling the center to win in SC2. I would actually love a retro map revival.
It'd be very interesting to see how the old maps would be played nowadays.. And even in LotV
There are old maps and ones that I think warrant revisiting, Antiga saw the ranged queen buff, among a number of other buffs, but I think it would be playable yet.
On June 26 2014 08:09 SC2Toastie wrote: Has there in the history of SC2 ever been a like 40 minute knifefight that never went above 25 drone total saturation the entire game? 38 minutes of pure, non stop action? That'd be instant #1 of the year.
On June 26 2014 08:09 SC2Toastie wrote: Has there in the history of SC2 ever been a like 40 minute knifefight that never went above 25 drone total saturation the entire game? 38 minutes of pure, non stop action? That'd be instant #1 of the year.
I had a game like that on ladder before.
The closest though is DRG vs Effort.
I had a TvT like that on ladder in WoL… man that was a strange game.
On June 26 2014 08:02 stuchiu wrote: If you really wanted to change ZvZ comps, change the maps.
All of these maps are all PvZ friendly. Give me Antiga or TDA and you'll get Nestea vs DRG or DRG vs Effort games.
So if we delete protoss, we could have decent ZvZ? Fuck it, I'm in.
No thank you. I've played protoss for years and it's the most fun race for me. >.>
You are right, it would have a deleterious effect on Scarlett's ZvZ, and we both want to avoid that.
Good vocab word, what is the Swedish equivalent for deleterious so I can feel like I learned something.
I guess skadlig or perhaps fördärvlig.
Edit: Swedish is a shit language though, not enough synonyms. I always feel like a cave man writing in Swedish, even though I've always had top grades for it. Buff Swedish imo.
On June 26 2014 08:02 stuchiu wrote: If you really wanted to change ZvZ comps, change the maps.
All of these maps are all PvZ friendly. Give me Antiga or TDA and you'll get Nestea vs DRG or DRG vs Effort games.
So if we delete protoss, we could have decent ZvZ? Fuck it, I'm in.
No thank you. I've played protoss for years and it's the most fun race for me. >.>
You are right, it would have a deleterious effect on Scarlett's ZvZ, and we both want to avoid that.
Good vocab word, what is the Swedish equivalent for deleterious so I can feel like I learned something.
I guess skadlig or perhaps fördärvlig.
Edit: Swedish is a shit language though, not enough synonyms. I always feel like a cave man writing in Swedish, even though I've always had top grades for it. Buff Swedish imo.
Fördärvlig sounds about right, a fine word
And Swedish is really terrible. I've pretty much transitioned to doing everything in English, it's just better in every way but for the lack of "lagom"
"Plays a crazy style that is difficult to read/predict." Such as building a lot of banelings, building 10 corruptors to counter 0 colossi, and somehow making mass muta switches.
On June 26 2014 08:17 DJHelium wrote: Liquid should sign Nestea.
Come now, they've shed their retirement home reputation. They signed Bunny when he was on fire because they only sign players who can win under the Liquid name.
On June 26 2014 08:02 stuchiu wrote: If you really wanted to change ZvZ comps, change the maps.
All of these maps are all PvZ friendly. Give me Antiga or TDA and you'll get Nestea vs DRG or DRG vs Effort games.
So if we delete protoss, we could have decent ZvZ? Fuck it, I'm in.
No thank you. I've played protoss for years and it's the most fun race for me. >.>
You are right, it would have a deleterious effect on Scarlett's ZvZ, and we both want to avoid that.
Good vocab word, what is the Swedish equivalent for deleterious so I can feel like I learned something.
I guess skadlig or perhaps fördärvlig.
Edit: Swedish is a shit language though, not enough synonyms. I always feel like a cave man writing in Swedish, even though I've always had top grades for it. Buff Swedish imo.
Fördärvlig sounds about right, a fine word
And Swedish is really terrible. I've pretty much transitioned to doing everything in English, it's just better in every way but for the lack of "lagom"
Your description of furniture is exceptional though.
Its funny when I think about it. None of the WoL zergs beyond Symbol/Leenock/Curious never adapted to the HotS changes to Protoss in ZvP. So a lot of them have just stick to muta base trades making them super 1-dimensional and beatable.
On June 26 2014 08:18 Jer99 wrote: hopefully someone follows in scarletts steps and offraces (as terran)
So you would off race as the more mechanically challenging race that has a negative win rate vs Z, as opposed to the mechanically easier race that has a neutral or positive win rate?
chipmonklord17, you're dead to ThomasjServo. He doesn't want to touch your posts anymore. He hopes that you're greatly offended by this. Something something, insults.
On June 26 2014 08:21 Zealously wrote: chipmonklord17, you're dead to ThomasjServo. He doesn't want to touch your posts anymore. He hopes that you're greatly offended by this. Something something, insults.
On June 26 2014 08:24 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Nestea beat Destiny, Desrow and Suppy at MLG so he's basically destined to grab the NA cup now after beating all the NA hopes
still in deep depression because destiny didn't cast mlg
On June 26 2014 08:13 chipmonklord17 wrote: Wait people still believe in Nestea? I mean I'd love to see him win but I don't know if I BELIEVE he can
We are no longer on speaking terms.
Don't get me wrong, I WANT Nestea to get out in first. I just am a man of reason
I was a man of reason when Nestea was down 0-2 against iaguz, but Nestea showed me that I should've believed.
No disrespect to Iaguz, but he's not really on Alicia's level.
You're right, he's a lot taller
(is he?)
Isn't Iaguz short too?
There are no normal sized people in Esports. Either you are two and half meters tall like everyone from Dutchland, or you can't ride the roller coaster because you have to be this tall, like Trimaster.
On June 26 2014 08:24 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Nestea beat Destiny, Desrow and Suppy at MLG so he's basically destined to grab the NA cup now after beating all the NA hopes
still in deep depression because destiny didn't cast mlg
On June 26 2014 08:24 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Nestea beat Destiny, Desrow and Suppy at MLG so he's basically destined to grab the NA cup now after beating all the NA hopes
Ouch, spoken like a true, clog-donning Dutchman. No mention of Guitarcheese or some of the other NA ladder heroes.
The last time Nestea beat a Korean offline was in January. And that only sort of counts because it was Legend. The time before that was against Select in the Red Bull Training Grounds last July.
Nestea spawns in the bottom left Alicia spawns in the top right
2:00 Early drone scout from Nestea. Nestea going hatchery first. Alicia getting a gateway and an assimilator. Nestea hiding a drone.
3:00 PROXY HATCHERY from Nestea. Totally normal. Nestea builds a spawning pool. Alicia chronoboosts out a zealot and immediately finds the hatchery. Two probes are also pulled. Alicia gets supply blocked.
4:00 Nestea gets the cancel on the hatchery and gets out with his drone. Alicia expands. Sentry for Alicia. Zergling speed from Nestea.
5:00 Alicia getting 2 gateways at his natural. Fourth gateway from Alicia. Roach warren on the way.
Nestea spawns in the bottom left Alicia spawns in the top right
2:00 Early drone scout from Nestea. Nestea going hatchery first. Alicia getting a gateway and an assimilator. Nestea hiding a drone.
3:00 PROXY HATCHERY from Nestea. Totally normal. Nestea builds a spawning pool. Alicia chronoboosts out a zealot and immediately finds the hatchery. Two probes are also pulled. Alicia gets supply blocked.
4:00 Nestea gets the cancel on the hatchery and gets out with his drone. Alicia expands. Sentry for Alicia. Zergling speed from Nestea.
5:00 Alicia getting 2 gateways at his natural. Fourth gateway from Alicia. Roach warren on the way.
6:00 Nestea poking with zerglings. Roaches on the way as Alicia moves out. Nestea pressuring with his zerglings.
7:00 NesTea 61 vs Alicia 53 Alicia is pushed back but FF's his ramp to finish the zergling pressure. Robotics facility for Alicia. Nestea moving undetected across the map with roaches. Alicia moving back.
8:00 NesTea 70 vs Alicia 63 Nestea attacks but there's an FF at the natural. Alicia tries an attack with 4 zealots but it's fended off. Nestea getting a forward third. Alicia saves his army with a recall.
9:00 NesTea 77 vs Alicia 67 Lair and evolution chamber for Nestea. Nestea trying another aggressive push but backs off after seeing immortal + cannons. Another immortal finishing for Alicia. Three more gateways from Alicia.
10:00 NesTea 77 vs Alicia 76 Roach speed and spire from Nestea. Nestea getting 3 spine crawlers. Nestea hiding some zerglings in th corner. Alicia scouting with a zealot. Overseer scouts the main and sees more gateways.
Nestea spawns in the bottom left Alicia spawns in the top right
2:00 Early drone scout from Nestea. Nestea going hatchery first. Alicia getting a gateway and an assimilator. Nestea hiding a drone.
3:00 PROXY HATCHERY from Nestea. Totally normal. Nestea builds a spawning pool. Alicia chronoboosts out a zealot and immediately finds the hatchery. Two probes are also pulled. Alicia gets supply blocked.
4:00 Nestea gets the cancel on the hatchery and gets out with his drone. Alicia expands. Sentry for Alicia. Zergling speed from Nestea.
5:00 Alicia getting 2 gateways at his natural. Fourth gateway from Alicia. Roach warren on the way.
6:00 Nestea poking with zerglings. Roaches on the way as Alicia moves out. Nestea pressuring with his zerglings.
7:00 NesTea 61 vs Alicia 53 Alicia is pushed back but FF's his ramp to finish the zergling pressure. Robotics facility for Alicia. Nestea moving undetected across the map with roaches. Alicia moving back.
8:00 NesTea 70 vs Alicia 63 Nestea attacks but there's an FF at the natural. Alicia tries an attack with 4 zealots but it's fended off. Nestea getting a forward third. Alicia saves his army with a recall.
9:00 NesTea 77 vs Alicia 67 Lair and evolution chamber for Nestea. Nestea trying another aggressive push but backs off after seeing immortal + cannons. Another immortal finishing for Alicia. Three more gateways from Alicia.
10:00 NesTea 77 vs Alicia 76 Roach speed and spire from Nestea. Nestea getting 3 spine crawlers. Nestea hiding some zerglings in th corner. Alicia scouting with a zealot. Overseer scouts the main and sees more gateways.
11:00 NesTea 94 vs Alicia 89 Alicia moving out with his army and a warp prism but Nestea sees it. Nestea hides some roaches but a hallucinated phoenix sees it. 11 mutalisks and more spine crawlers for Nestea.
12:00 NesTea 95 vs Alicia 115 Nestea sacrifices his third base. Nestea trying to counterattack. Alicia moving into the natural. Immortals and stalkers/zealots chew through Nestea's natural. Alicia still has his mothership core.
14:00 NesTea 54 vs Alicia 117 Nestea loses most of his units in Alicia's natural to cannons and stalkers. Nestea GG's! Alicia takes a 1-0 lead!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
100%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Alicia vs Nestea Game 1?
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On June 26 2014 08:29 Lorning wrote: So WCS NA basically claimed ToD for themselves. Don't know if I'm OK with this
America has a tendency to steal all the talent from other countries. I'm Canadian, so I know
I'm perfectly okay with them taking Bieber though.
What if they take Rotterdam by mistake?
His accent is funny enough to be mistaken for a Canadian.
There is no canadian accent out there which sounds as silly as rotterdam. even newfies
To the average American, anyone who is white and speaks English with a funny accent is Canadian.
As a Minnesotan I resent that, Canadian English sounds all too normal to us. Michelle Bachmann's district notwithstanding, were you to replace our currency with the loony it would barely be noticed.
On June 26 2014 08:29 Lorning wrote: So WCS NA basically claimed ToD for themselves. Don't know if I'm OK with this
America has a tendency to steal all the talent from other countries. I'm Canadian, so I know
I'm perfectly okay with them taking Bieber though.
What if they take Rotterdam by mistake?
His accent is funny enough to be mistaken for a Canadian.
There is no canadian accent out there which sounds as silly as rotterdam. even newfies
To the average American, anyone who is white and speaks English with a funny accent is Canadian.
As a Minnesotan I resent that, Canadian English sounds all too normal to us. Michelle Bachmann's district notwithstanding, were you to replace our currency with the loony it would barely be noticed.
You guys like hockey, right? Why don't you just join us already?
On June 26 2014 08:29 Lorning wrote: So WCS NA basically claimed ToD for themselves. Don't know if I'm OK with this
America has a tendency to steal all the talent from other countries. I'm Canadian, so I know
I'm perfectly okay with them taking Bieber though.
What if they take Rotterdam by mistake?
His accent is funny enough to be mistaken for a Canadian.
There is no canadian accent out there which sounds as silly as rotterdam. even newfies
To the average American, anyone who is white and speaks English with a funny accent is Canadian.
As a Minnesotan I resent that, Canadian English sounds all too normal to us. Michelle Bachmann's district notwithstanding, were you to replace our currency with the loony it would barely be noticed.
You guys like hockey, right? Why don't you just join us already?
Just give us a chance coach, we are sick of comprising the entire US Olympic Curling team, and most of the Hockey team.
On June 26 2014 08:29 Lorning wrote: So WCS NA basically claimed ToD for themselves. Don't know if I'm OK with this
America has a tendency to steal all the talent from other countries. I'm Canadian, so I know
I'm perfectly okay with them taking Bieber though.
What if they take Rotterdam by mistake?
His accent is funny enough to be mistaken for a Canadian.
There is no canadian accent out there which sounds as silly as rotterdam. even newfies
To the average American, anyone who is white and speaks English with a funny accent is Canadian.
As a Minnesotan I resent that, Canadian English sounds all too normal to us. Michelle Bachmann's district notwithstanding, were you to replace our currency with the loony it would barely be noticed.
You guys like hockey, right? Why don't you just join us already?
Just give us a chance coach, we are sick of comprising the entire US Olympic Curling team, and most of the Hockey team.
If Canada had access to Minnesota's hockey talent pool... GG all other countries forever
On June 26 2014 08:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: [quote]
America has a tendency to steal all the talent from other countries. I'm Canadian, so I know
I'm perfectly okay with them taking Bieber though.
What if they take Rotterdam by mistake?
His accent is funny enough to be mistaken for a Canadian.
There is no canadian accent out there which sounds as silly as rotterdam. even newfies
To the average American, anyone who is white and speaks English with a funny accent is Canadian.
As a Minnesotan I resent that, Canadian English sounds all too normal to us. Michelle Bachmann's district notwithstanding, were you to replace our currency with the loony it would barely be noticed.
You guys like hockey, right? Why don't you just join us already?
Just give us a chance coach, we are sick of comprising the entire US Olympic Curling team, and most of the Hockey team.
If Canada had access to Minnesota's hockey talent pool... GG all other countries forever
When I think of Alicia I think of the 3 stargate lots of voidrays/ chargelots that gave him a lot of success last year. Glad to see he's still bringing it out.
Nestea spawns in the bottom right Alicia spawns in the top left
2:00 Forge first for Alicia. Nestea scouts and goes pool first.
3:00 Nestea taking his third base first. Alicia expands and gets a cannon. Alicia scouts the third base.
4:00 Nestea takes his natural. Queen going to the third base. Cybernetics core on the way for Alicia.
5:00 Stargate on the way for Alicia. Nestea building lots of drones. Overlord goes for the natural, but the stargate is elsewhere.
6:00 Oracle for Alicia, cancelling +1 ground attack. Nestea hasn't scouted the stargate.
7:00 Nestea loses 7 workers to an oracle, which doesn't quite die. Nestea getting spore crawlers. Alicia taking a third base. Void ray killing some overlords. +1 air weapons from Alicia.
8:00 NesTea 77 vs Alicia 67 Nestea getting a lair. Alicia building two more stargates. Roach warren and evolution chamber are built under the oracle. Void ray kills another overlord.
9:00 NesTea 91 vs Alicia 79 Spire for Nestea. Nestea finishes off the Oracle. Alicia moving some void rays to the bottom of the map.
10:00 NesTea 119 vs Alicia 99 Infestation pit on the way for Nestea as well as more spore crawlers, probably swarmhosts. Nestea moving out with some zergling/roach. Alicia charges up a void ray against some zerglings, but Nestea backs off
On June 26 2014 08:32 PhoenixVoid wrote: [quote] I'm perfectly okay with them taking Bieber though.
What if they take Rotterdam by mistake?
His accent is funny enough to be mistaken for a Canadian.
There is no canadian accent out there which sounds as silly as rotterdam. even newfies
To the average American, anyone who is white and speaks English with a funny accent is Canadian.
As a Minnesotan I resent that, Canadian English sounds all too normal to us. Michelle Bachmann's district notwithstanding, were you to replace our currency with the loony it would barely be noticed.
You guys like hockey, right? Why don't you just join us already?
Just give us a chance coach, we are sick of comprising the entire US Olympic Curling team, and most of the Hockey team.
If Canada had access to Minnesota's hockey talent pool... GG all other countries forever
Pretty much. #goodeffortRussia
Maybe you guys can actually produce a consistent goalie for us.
Nestea spawns in the bottom right Alicia spawns in the top left
2:00 Forge first for Alicia. Nestea scouts and goes pool first.
3:00 Nestea taking his third base first. Alicia expands and gets a cannon. Alicia scouts the third base.
4:00 Nestea takes his natural. Queen going to the third base. Cybernetics core on the way for Alicia.
5:00 Stargate on the way for Alicia. Nestea building lots of drones. Overlord goes for the natural, but the stargate is elsewhere.
6:00 Oracle for Alicia, cancelling +1 ground attack. Nestea hasn't scouted the stargate.
7:00 Nestea loses 7 workers to an oracle, which doesn't quite die. Nestea getting spore crawlers. Alicia taking a third base. Void ray killing some overlords. +1 air weapons from Alicia.
8:00 NesTea 77 vs Alicia 67 Nestea getting a lair. Alicia building two more stargates. Roach warren and evolution chamber are built under the oracle. Void ray kills another overlord.
9:00 NesTea 91 vs Alicia 79 Spire for Nestea. Nestea finishes off the Oracle. Alicia moving some void rays to the bottom of the map.
10:00 NesTea 119 vs Alicia 99 Infestation pit on the way for Nestea as well as more spore crawlers, probably swarmhosts. Nestea moving out with some zergling/roach. Alicia charges up a void ray against some zerglings, but Nestea backs off
12:00 NesTea 145 vs Alicia 127 Hive and infestors (not swarmhosts) and pathogen glands for Nestea. Nestea scouting with a zergling.
13:00 NesTea 157 vs Alicia 147 Nestea shows that I am wrong again and gets enduring locusts. Nestea getting an ultralisk cavern at 13:30? Nestea moves into the third base with zergling/roach and tries to focus the nexus.
14:00 NesTea 180 vs Alicia 159 Nestea has a lot of queens and infestors. Alicia breaks down Nestea's rocks. Alicia trying a warp prism drop. Mutalisks and ultralisks for Nestea.
15:00 NesTea 197 vs Alicia 154 Blink and robotics facility for Alicia. Nestea going for a fifth base, as he took the center base as a fourth. Two more gateways for Alicia. Alicia getting colossi.
His accent is funny enough to be mistaken for a Canadian.
There is no canadian accent out there which sounds as silly as rotterdam. even newfies
To the average American, anyone who is white and speaks English with a funny accent is Canadian.
As a Minnesotan I resent that, Canadian English sounds all too normal to us. Michelle Bachmann's district notwithstanding, were you to replace our currency with the loony it would barely be noticed.
You guys like hockey, right? Why don't you just join us already?
Just give us a chance coach, we are sick of comprising the entire US Olympic Curling team, and most of the Hockey team.
If Canada had access to Minnesota's hockey talent pool... GG all other countries forever
Pretty much. #goodeffortRussia
Maybe you guys can actually produce a consistent goalie for us.
On June 26 2014 08:33 Squat wrote: [quote] His accent is funny enough to be mistaken for a Canadian.
There is no canadian accent out there which sounds as silly as rotterdam. even newfies
To the average American, anyone who is white and speaks English with a funny accent is Canadian.
As a Minnesotan I resent that, Canadian English sounds all too normal to us. Michelle Bachmann's district notwithstanding, were you to replace our currency with the loony it would barely be noticed.
You guys like hockey, right? Why don't you just join us already?
Just give us a chance coach, we are sick of comprising the entire US Olympic Curling team, and most of the Hockey team.
If Canada had access to Minnesota's hockey talent pool... GG all other countries forever
Pretty much. #goodeffortRussia
Maybe you guys can actually produce a consistent goalie for us.
On June 26 2014 08:51 stuchiu wrote: Any second now Nestea will fall asleep.
That's why swarmhosts were invented. David Kim knew how much Nestea loved to sleep in games, so he made a unit he could use to win and sleep at the same time
Nestea spawns in the bottom right Alicia spawns in the top left
2:00 Forge first for Alicia. Nestea scouts and goes pool first.
3:00 Nestea taking his third base first. Alicia expands and gets a cannon. Alicia scouts the third base.
4:00 Nestea takes his natural. Queen going to the third base. Cybernetics core on the way for Alicia.
5:00 Stargate on the way for Alicia. Nestea building lots of drones. Overlord goes for the natural, but the stargate is elsewhere.
6:00 Oracle for Alicia, cancelling +1 ground attack. Nestea hasn't scouted the stargate.
7:00 Nestea loses 7 workers to an oracle, which doesn't quite die. Nestea getting spore crawlers. Alicia taking a third base. Void ray killing some overlords. +1 air weapons from Alicia.
8:00 NesTea 77 vs Alicia 67 Nestea getting a lair. Alicia building two more stargates. Roach warren and evolution chamber are built under the oracle. Void ray kills another overlord.
9:00 NesTea 91 vs Alicia 79 Spire for Nestea. Nestea finishes off the Oracle. Alicia moving some void rays to the bottom of the map.
10:00 NesTea 119 vs Alicia 99 Infestation pit on the way for Nestea as well as more spore crawlers, probably swarmhosts. Nestea moving out with some zergling/roach. Alicia charges up a void ray against some zerglings, but Nestea backs off
12:00 NesTea 145 vs Alicia 127 Hive and infestors (not swarmhosts) and pathogen glands for Nestea. Nestea scouting with a zergling.
13:00 NesTea 157 vs Alicia 147 Nestea shows that I am wrong again and gets enduring locusts. Nestea getting an ultralisk cavern at 13:30? Nestea moves into the third base with zergling/roach and tries to focus the nexus.
14:00 NesTea 180 vs Alicia 159 Nestea has a lot of queens and infestors. Alicia breaks down Nestea's rocks. Alicia trying a warp prism drop. Mutalisks and ultralisks for Nestea.
15:00 NesTea 197 vs Alicia 154 Blink and robotics facility for Alicia. Nestea going for a fifth base, as he took the center base as a fourth. Two more gateways for Alicia. Alicia getting colossi.
16:00 NesTea 186 vs Alicia 181 Nestea defending his natural from zealot harass. Alicia sends zealots to the fifth. Alicia dropping zealots into the main but they're caught before they kill anything. Nestea lost his 5th. Nestea's got one swarm host.
18:00 NesTea 198 vs Alicia 175 Alicia securing his fourth base. Nestea cleans up zealots in his fifth base and tries to retake it. Dark shrine on the way. Alicia has a lot of phoenixes. Alicia tries a zealot attack on the natural but there's spine crawlers ready.
19:00 NesTea 200 vs Alicia 193 Alicia getting cannons in his fourth base. Nestea moving to the left side of the map. Nestea taking his 5th base again and stops a zealot from killing it. Alicia sending zealots around the map to kill creep tumors and pull Nestea's army towards them. Alicia getting +3 attack.
21:00 NesTea 200 vs Alicia 195 Nestea finds a warp prism with mutalisks. Nestea loses his spire and fifth base, as well as the ultralisk cavern, to DTs.
On June 26 2014 08:34 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: [quote]
There is no canadian accent out there which sounds as silly as rotterdam. even newfies
To the average American, anyone who is white and speaks English with a funny accent is Canadian.
As a Minnesotan I resent that, Canadian English sounds all too normal to us. Michelle Bachmann's district notwithstanding, were you to replace our currency with the loony it would barely be noticed.
You guys like hockey, right? Why don't you just join us already?
Just give us a chance coach, we are sick of comprising the entire US Olympic Curling team, and most of the Hockey team.
If Canada had access to Minnesota's hockey talent pool... GG all other countries forever
Pretty much. #goodeffortRussia
Maybe you guys can actually produce a consistent goalie for us.
On June 26 2014 08:37 Squat wrote: [quote] To the average American, anyone who is white and speaks English with a funny accent is Canadian.
As a Minnesotan I resent that, Canadian English sounds all too normal to us. Michelle Bachmann's district notwithstanding, were you to replace our currency with the loony it would barely be noticed.
You guys like hockey, right? Why don't you just join us already?
Just give us a chance coach, we are sick of comprising the entire US Olympic Curling team, and most of the Hockey team.
If Canada had access to Minnesota's hockey talent pool... GG all other countries forever
Pretty much. #goodeffortRussia
Maybe you guys can actually produce a consistent goalie for us.
Nestea spawns in the bottom right Alicia spawns in the top left
2:00 Forge first for Alicia. Nestea scouts and goes pool first.
3:00 Nestea taking his third base first. Alicia expands and gets a cannon. Alicia scouts the third base.
4:00 Nestea takes his natural. Queen going to the third base. Cybernetics core on the way for Alicia.
5:00 Stargate on the way for Alicia. Nestea building lots of drones. Overlord goes for the natural, but the stargate is elsewhere.
6:00 Oracle for Alicia, cancelling +1 ground attack. Nestea hasn't scouted the stargate.
7:00 Nestea loses 7 workers to an oracle, which doesn't quite die. Nestea getting spore crawlers. Alicia taking a third base. Void ray killing some overlords. +1 air weapons from Alicia.
8:00 NesTea 77 vs Alicia 67 Nestea getting a lair. Alicia building two more stargates. Roach warren and evolution chamber are built under the oracle. Void ray kills another overlord.
9:00 NesTea 91 vs Alicia 79 Spire for Nestea. Nestea finishes off the Oracle. Alicia moving some void rays to the bottom of the map.
10:00 NesTea 119 vs Alicia 99 Infestation pit on the way for Nestea as well as more spore crawlers, probably swarmhosts. Nestea moving out with some zergling/roach. Alicia charges up a void ray against some zerglings, but Nestea backs off
12:00 NesTea 145 vs Alicia 127 Hive and infestors (not swarmhosts) and pathogen glands for Nestea. Nestea scouting with a zergling.
13:00 NesTea 157 vs Alicia 147 Nestea shows that I am wrong again and gets enduring locusts. Nestea getting an ultralisk cavern at 13:30? Nestea moves into the third base with zergling/roach and tries to focus the nexus.
14:00 NesTea 180 vs Alicia 159 Nestea has a lot of queens and infestors. Alicia breaks down Nestea's rocks. Alicia trying a warp prism drop. Mutalisks and ultralisks for Nestea.
15:00 NesTea 197 vs Alicia 154 Blink and robotics facility for Alicia. Nestea going for a fifth base, as he took the center base as a fourth. Two more gateways for Alicia. Alicia getting colossi.
16:00 NesTea 186 vs Alicia 181 Nestea defending his natural from zealot harass. Alicia sends zealots to the fifth. Alicia dropping zealots into the main but they're caught before they kill anything. Nestea lost his 5th. Nestea's got one swarm host.
18:00 NesTea 198 vs Alicia 175 Alicia securing his fourth base. Nestea cleans up zealots in his fifth base and tries to retake it. Dark shrine on the way. Alicia has a lot of phoenixes. Alicia tries a zealot attack on the natural but there's spine crawlers ready.
19:00 NesTea 200 vs Alicia 193 Alicia getting cannons in his fourth base. Nestea moving to the left side of the map. Nestea taking his 5th base again and stops a zealot from killing it. Alicia sending zealots around the map to kill creep tumors and pull Nestea's army towards them. Alicia getting +3 attack.
21:00 NesTea 200 vs Alicia 195 Nestea finds a warp prism with mutalisks. Nestea loses his spire and fifth base, as well as the ultralisk cavern, to DTs.
22:00 NesTea 199 vs Alicia 199 Nestea moving out. Tempests on the way for Alicia. Alicia getting storm and shield/air attack upgrades.
23:00 NesTea 198 vs Alicia 199 Nestea securing his fifth base. Nestea chain fungals all of the phoenixes and kills them, losing just one infestor.
24:00 NesTea 198 vs Alicia 195 More swarmhosts from Nestea, time to switch the LR to 2 minute intervals. Nestea getting a spine/spore crawler wall in the center. MOTHERSHIP and +3 air weapons from Alicia. Alicia taking his fifth base. Nestea going for the backdoor to Alicia's natural. Infested terrans in Alicia's natural as well as ultralisk/queen army. Nestea kills a stargate and the cybernetics core before backing off. Alicia has a lot of out-of-position archons. Nestea is up to about 8 infestors. +3 air weapons for Nestea.
Nestea spawns in the bottom right Alicia spawns in the top left
2:00 Forge first for Alicia. Nestea scouts and goes pool first.
3:00 Nestea taking his third base first. Alicia expands and gets a cannon. Alicia scouts the third base.
4:00 Nestea takes his natural. Queen going to the third base. Cybernetics core on the way for Alicia.
5:00 Stargate on the way for Alicia. Nestea building lots of drones. Overlord goes for the natural, but the stargate is elsewhere.
6:00 Oracle for Alicia, cancelling +1 ground attack. Nestea hasn't scouted the stargate.
7:00 Nestea loses 7 workers to an oracle, which doesn't quite die. Nestea getting spore crawlers. Alicia taking a third base. Void ray killing some overlords. +1 air weapons from Alicia.
8:00 NesTea 77 vs Alicia 67 Nestea getting a lair. Alicia building two more stargates. Roach warren and evolution chamber are built under the oracle. Void ray kills another overlord.
9:00 NesTea 91 vs Alicia 79 Spire for Nestea. Nestea finishes off the Oracle. Alicia moving some void rays to the bottom of the map.
10:00 NesTea 119 vs Alicia 99 Infestation pit on the way for Nestea as well as more spore crawlers, probably swarmhosts. Nestea moving out with some zergling/roach. Alicia charges up a void ray against some zerglings, but Nestea backs off
12:00 NesTea 145 vs Alicia 127 Hive and infestors (not swarmhosts) and pathogen glands for Nestea. Nestea scouting with a zergling.
13:00 NesTea 157 vs Alicia 147 Nestea shows that I am wrong again and gets enduring locusts. Nestea getting an ultralisk cavern at 13:30? Nestea moves into the third base with zergling/roach and tries to focus the nexus.
14:00 NesTea 180 vs Alicia 159 Nestea has a lot of queens and infestors. Alicia breaks down Nestea's rocks. Alicia trying a warp prism drop. Mutalisks and ultralisks for Nestea.
15:00 NesTea 197 vs Alicia 154 Blink and robotics facility for Alicia. Nestea going for a fifth base, as he took the center base as a fourth. Two more gateways for Alicia. Alicia getting colossi.
16:00 NesTea 186 vs Alicia 181 Nestea defending his natural from zealot harass. Alicia sends zealots to the fifth. Alicia dropping zealots into the main but they're caught before they kill anything. Nestea lost his 5th. Nestea's got one swarm host.
18:00 NesTea 198 vs Alicia 175 Alicia securing his fourth base. Nestea cleans up zealots in his fifth base and tries to retake it. Dark shrine on the way. Alicia has a lot of phoenixes. Alicia tries a zealot attack on the natural but there's spine crawlers ready.
19:00 NesTea 200 vs Alicia 193 Alicia getting cannons in his fourth base. Nestea moving to the left side of the map. Nestea taking his 5th base again and stops a zealot from killing it. Alicia sending zealots around the map to kill creep tumors and pull Nestea's army towards them. Alicia getting +3 attack.
21:00 NesTea 200 vs Alicia 195 Nestea finds a warp prism with mutalisks. Nestea loses his spire and fifth base, as well as the ultralisk cavern, to DTs.
22:00 NesTea 199 vs Alicia 199 Nestea moving out. Tempests on the way for Alicia. Alicia getting storm and shield/air attack upgrades.
23:00 NesTea 198 vs Alicia 199 Nestea securing his fifth base. Nestea chain fungals all of the phoenixes and kills them, losing just one infestor.
24:00 NesTea 198 vs Alicia 195 More swarmhosts from Nestea, time to switch the LR to 2 minute intervals. Nestea getting a spine/spore crawler wall in the center. MOTHERSHIP and +3 air weapons from Alicia. Alicia taking his fifth base. Nestea going for the backdoor to Alicia's natural. Infested terrans in Alicia's natural as well as ultralisk/queen army. Nestea kills a stargate and the cybernetics core before backing off. Alicia has a lot of out-of-position archons. Nestea is up to about 8 infestors. +3 air weapons for Nestea.
27:00 NesTea 190 vs Alicia 200 Alicia going for the spine/spore wall and Nestea counterattacks. Mothership + army goes for Nestea's static defense and kills all of it. Nestea losing his counterattack to DTs. Nestea loses his fourth base. Nestea getting vipers + overseers, but loses corrupters.
29:00 NesTea 157 vs Alicia 194 Nestea still going for his counterattack with ultralisks and overseers. More stargates for Alicia. Alicia kills Nestea's fourth as well. Alicia recalls and loses a lot of his army to ultralisks but crushes Nestea while retaining a lot of units. 44 mutalisks for Nestea. Alicia contains Nestea onto 2 bases. Nestea has almost no minerals but 4500 gas. 4 phoenixes on the way for Alicia.
31:00 NesTea 161 vs Alicia 200 Alicia is completely ready for mutalisks but is out of position as Nestea runs them into the natural. Nestea kills a lot of the phoenixes but the army backs up into the mutalisks and Nestea is pretty much cornered.
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Nestea spawns in the bottom right Alicia spawns in the top left
2:00 Forge first for Alicia. Nestea scouts and goes pool first.
3:00 Nestea taking his third base first. Alicia expands and gets a cannon. Alicia scouts the third base.
4:00 Nestea takes his natural. Queen going to the third base. Cybernetics core on the way for Alicia.
5:00 Stargate on the way for Alicia. Nestea building lots of drones. Overlord goes for the natural, but the stargate is elsewhere.
6:00 Oracle for Alicia, cancelling +1 ground attack. Nestea hasn't scouted the stargate.
7:00 Nestea loses 7 workers to an oracle, which doesn't quite die. Nestea getting spore crawlers. Alicia taking a third base. Void ray killing some overlords. +1 air weapons from Alicia.
8:00 NesTea 77 vs Alicia 67 Nestea getting a lair. Alicia building two more stargates. Roach warren and evolution chamber are built under the oracle. Void ray kills another overlord.
9:00 NesTea 91 vs Alicia 79 Spire for Nestea. Nestea finishes off the Oracle. Alicia moving some void rays to the bottom of the map.
10:00 NesTea 119 vs Alicia 99 Infestation pit on the way for Nestea as well as more spore crawlers, probably swarmhosts. Nestea moving out with some zergling/roach. Alicia charges up a void ray against some zerglings, but Nestea backs off
12:00 NesTea 145 vs Alicia 127 Hive and infestors (not swarmhosts) and pathogen glands for Nestea. Nestea scouting with a zergling.
13:00 NesTea 157 vs Alicia 147 Nestea shows that I am wrong again and gets enduring locusts. Nestea getting an ultralisk cavern at 13:30? Nestea moves into the third base with zergling/roach and tries to focus the nexus.
14:00 NesTea 180 vs Alicia 159 Nestea has a lot of queens and infestors. Alicia breaks down Nestea's rocks. Alicia trying a warp prism drop. Mutalisks and ultralisks for Nestea.
15:00 NesTea 197 vs Alicia 154 Blink and robotics facility for Alicia. Nestea going for a fifth base, as he took the center base as a fourth. Two more gateways for Alicia. Alicia getting colossi.
16:00 NesTea 186 vs Alicia 181 Nestea defending his natural from zealot harass. Alicia sends zealots to the fifth. Alicia dropping zealots into the main but they're caught before they kill anything. Nestea lost his 5th. Nestea's got one swarm host.
18:00 NesTea 198 vs Alicia 175 Alicia securing his fourth base. Nestea cleans up zealots in his fifth base and tries to retake it. Dark shrine on the way. Alicia has a lot of phoenixes. Alicia tries a zealot attack on the natural but there's spine crawlers ready.
19:00 NesTea 200 vs Alicia 193 Alicia getting cannons in his fourth base. Nestea moving to the left side of the map. Nestea taking his 5th base again and stops a zealot from killing it. Alicia sending zealots around the map to kill creep tumors and pull Nestea's army towards them. Alicia getting +3 attack.
21:00 NesTea 200 vs Alicia 195 Nestea finds a warp prism with mutalisks. Nestea loses his spire and fifth base, as well as the ultralisk cavern, to DTs.
22:00 NesTea 199 vs Alicia 199 Nestea moving out. Tempests on the way for Alicia. Alicia getting storm and shield/air attack upgrades.
23:00 NesTea 198 vs Alicia 199 Nestea securing his fifth base. Nestea chain fungals all of the phoenixes and kills them, losing just one infestor.
24:00 NesTea 198 vs Alicia 195 More swarmhosts from Nestea, time to switch the LR to 2 minute intervals. Nestea getting a spine/spore crawler wall in the center. MOTHERSHIP and +3 air weapons from Alicia. Alicia taking his fifth base. Nestea going for the backdoor to Alicia's natural. Infested terrans in Alicia's natural as well as ultralisk/queen army. Nestea kills a stargate and the cybernetics core before backing off. Alicia has a lot of out-of-position archons. Nestea is up to about 8 infestors. +3 air weapons for Nestea.
27:00 NesTea 190 vs Alicia 200 Alicia going for the spine/spore wall and Nestea counterattacks. Mothership + army goes for Nestea's static defense and kills all of it. Nestea losing his counterattack to DTs. Nestea loses his fourth base. Nestea getting vipers + overseers, but loses corrupters.
29:00 NesTea 157 vs Alicia 194 Nestea still going for his counterattack with ultralisks and overseers. More stargates for Alicia. Alicia kills Nestea's fourth as well. Alicia recalls and loses a lot of his army to ultralisks but crushes Nestea while retaining a lot of units. 44 mutalisks for Nestea. Alicia contains Nestea onto 2 bases. Nestea has almost no minerals but 4500 gas. 4 phoenixes on the way for Alicia.
31:00 NesTea 161 vs Alicia 200 Alicia is completely ready for mutalisks but is out of position as Nestea runs them into the natural. Nestea kills a lot of the phoenixes but the army backs up into the mutalisks and Nestea is pretty much cornered.
33:00 NesTea 119 vs Alicia 192 Alicia gets Nestea down to about 12 mutalisks and moves out again. Nestea trying to counterattack with swarmhosts. Nestea has some infestors and kills some phoenixes but loses the infestors to the ground army.
35:00 NesTea 77 vs Alicia 187 Alicia attack-moving into Nestea's last mining base and Nestea GG's! Alicia wins 2-0!
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6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Alicia vs Nestea Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Alicia vs Nestea Game 3?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
60%
★★★- Good game (1)
20%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
20%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Alicia vs Nestea Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Unless your name contains the words "jae" and/or "dong"
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Considering Alicia barely lost his army and had his Stargate infrastructure it wouldn't have worked either way. And as you said, it's a nice way to go out in flames but likely won't do much unless you inflict game-ending amounts of damage to the Protoss.
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Well if Z does it all the time, it wont work. But if you don't start phoenix as he starts mutas, you are pretty dead in most situations. Even when ahead. So it depends on meta... And if the specific player does it a lot.
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Well if Z does it all the time, it wont work. But if you don't start phoenix as he starts mutas, you are pretty dead in most situations. Even when ahead. So it depends on meta... And if the specific player does it a lot.
Mutas are great if you can manipulate the game to where they can be effective, i.e. keep toss on three bases, make them commit huge amounts to phoenix while you expand everywhere. In the position he was in this game, even if Nestea gets 50 mutas before Alicia has a single phoenix out, it still shouldn't work. Just stay alive, get phoenix, win by default.
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Unless your name contains the words "jae" and/or "dong"
I don't remember any muta switches in 2014 by jaedong? But then I only remember the 6 pylons and the 4 gate.
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Unless your name contains the words "jae" and/or "dong"
I don't remember any muta switches in 2014 by jaedong? But then I only remember the 6 pylons and the 4 gate.
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Unless your name contains the words "jae" and/or "dong"
I don't remember any muta switches in 2014 by jaedong? But then I only remember the 6 pylons and the 4 gate.
Jaedong vs Patience on Alterzim Stronghold, IEM Cologne. Hell there was an article on it.
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Unless your name contains the words "jae" and/or "dong"
I don't remember any muta switches in 2014 by jaedong? But then I only remember the 6 pylons and the 4 gate.
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Unless your name contains the words "jae" and/or "dong"
I don't remember any muta switches in 2014 by jaedong? But then I only remember the 6 pylons and the 4 gate.
Jaedong vs Patience on Alterzim Stronghold, IEM Cologne.
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Well if Z does it all the time, it wont work. But if you don't start phoenix as he starts mutas, you are pretty dead in most situations. Even when ahead. So it depends on meta... And if the specific player does it a lot.
Mutas are great if you can manipulate the game to where they can be effective, i.e. keep toss on three bases, make them commit huge amounts to phoenix while you expand everywhere. In the position he was in this game, even if Nestea gets 50 mutas before Alicia has a single phoenix out, it still shouldn't work. Just stay alive, get phoenix, win by default.
Yeah the game was over. No more mining bases for Nestea and the muta switch made him broke. So ofc he cannot win at that point. Even if P does a basetrade, there is no way for Nestea to get back. I was just saying in general. I dislike mutas. Which must mean they are good
I like lings... Stay on lings, and I'll be fine... Hiding behind my high walls like King Priam of Troy :D
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Well if Z does it all the time, it wont work. But if you don't start phoenix as he starts mutas, you are pretty dead in most situations. Even when ahead. So it depends on meta... And if the specific player does it a lot.
Mutas are great if you can manipulate the game to where they can be effective, i.e. keep toss on three bases, make them commit huge amounts to phoenix while you expand everywhere. In the position he was in this game, even if Nestea gets 50 mutas before Alicia has a single phoenix out, it still shouldn't work. Just stay alive, get phoenix, win by default.
Yeah the game was over. No more mining bases for Nestea and the muta switch made him broke. So ofc he cannot win at that point. Even if P does a basetrade, there is no way for Nestea to get back. I was just saying in general. I dislike mutas. Which must mean they are good
I like lings... Stay on lings, and I'll be fine... Hiding behind my high walls like King Priam of Troy :D
Well since the two zerg styles that work in the late game against P are mass muta and hosts, I guess we could nerf mutas if we buffed hosts, maybe we could make the locusts flying units. Sound good?
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Well if Z does it all the time, it wont work. But if you don't start phoenix as he starts mutas, you are pretty dead in most situations. Even when ahead. So it depends on meta... And if the specific player does it a lot.
Mutas are great if you can manipulate the game to where they can be effective, i.e. keep toss on three bases, make them commit huge amounts to phoenix while you expand everywhere. In the position he was in this game, even if Nestea gets 50 mutas before Alicia has a single phoenix out, it still shouldn't work. Just stay alive, get phoenix, win by default.
Yeah the game was over. No more mining bases for Nestea and the muta switch made him broke. So ofc he cannot win at that point. Even if P does a basetrade, there is no way for Nestea to get back. I was just saying in general. I dislike mutas. Which must mean they are good
I like lings... Stay on lings, and I'll be fine... Hiding behind my high walls like King Priam of Troy :D
Well since the two zerg styles that work in the late game against P are mass muta and hosts, I guess we could nerf mutas if we buffed hosts, maybe we could make the locusts flying units. Sound good?
Be able to load them up into Overlords and have them shoot locusts into our opponents base, would give some love to Ventril Sacs!
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Well if Z does it all the time, it wont work. But if you don't start phoenix as he starts mutas, you are pretty dead in most situations. Even when ahead. So it depends on meta... And if the specific player does it a lot.
Mutas are great if you can manipulate the game to where they can be effective, i.e. keep toss on three bases, make them commit huge amounts to phoenix while you expand everywhere. In the position he was in this game, even if Nestea gets 50 mutas before Alicia has a single phoenix out, it still shouldn't work. Just stay alive, get phoenix, win by default.
Yeah the game was over. No more mining bases for Nestea and the muta switch made him broke. So ofc he cannot win at that point. Even if P does a basetrade, there is no way for Nestea to get back. I was just saying in general. I dislike mutas. Which must mean they are good
I like lings... Stay on lings, and I'll be fine... Hiding behind my high walls like King Priam of Troy :D
Well since the two zerg styles that work in the late game against P are mass muta and hosts, I guess we could nerf mutas if we buffed hosts, maybe we could make the locusts flying units. Sound good?
On June 26 2014 08:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: So did Nesteas mechanics just get worse or did everyone use to be that bad?
Both. Watch some games from 2011/early 2012, keep bleach available for rinsing of eyes. People were just bad.
Serious question, why does everyone say early SC2 was bad? No one went macro? Everyone did SCV pulls and one base raven plays? No splits?
Generally poor mechanics(Boxer floating 1k+ minerals on 2 bases constantly), primitive meta, no one knew how to engage properly(zerg would a-move banes into marauders, which would still work because no one spread their bio anyway). Tons of cheese, some fairly broken stuff had yet to be fixed(void ray speed comes to mind). Also the maps were beyond horrific. Blizzard maps are generally shit but the early map pools were in a league of their own.
On June 26 2014 08:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: So did Nesteas mechanics just get worse or did everyone use to be that bad?
Both. Watch some games from 2011/early 2012, keep bleach available for rinsing of eyes. People were just bad.
Serious question, why does everyone say early SC2 was bad? No one went macro? Everyone did SCV pulls and one base raven plays? No splits?
Generally less macro, poorer mechanics, super basic strats, Terran was crazy OP, just lesser play in general. Imagine everyone was diamond and the game had no balance.
edit: oh, and maps. the maps were the worst thing ever. go take a look at Xelnaga Caverns and keep in mind it was pretty much the best map of it's day
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Well if Z does it all the time, it wont work. But if you don't start phoenix as he starts mutas, you are pretty dead in most situations. Even when ahead. So it depends on meta... And if the specific player does it a lot.
Mutas are great if you can manipulate the game to where they can be effective, i.e. keep toss on three bases, make them commit huge amounts to phoenix while you expand everywhere. In the position he was in this game, even if Nestea gets 50 mutas before Alicia has a single phoenix out, it still shouldn't work. Just stay alive, get phoenix, win by default.
Yeah the game was over. No more mining bases for Nestea and the muta switch made him broke. So ofc he cannot win at that point. Even if P does a basetrade, there is no way for Nestea to get back. I was just saying in general. I dislike mutas. Which must mean they are good
I like lings... Stay on lings, and I'll be fine... Hiding behind my high walls like King Priam of Troy :D
Well since the two zerg styles that work in the late game against P are mass muta and hosts, I guess we could nerf mutas if we buffed hosts, maybe we could make the locusts flying units. Sound good?
thx god you guys don't have David Kim's job
Dude if you put me in charge of balance I would burn down the game pretty hard. Tanks that can seige on top of medivacs, Broodlords that fire zerglings, and Colossi that can Breakdance to shoot air units.
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Well if Z does it all the time, it wont work. But if you don't start phoenix as he starts mutas, you are pretty dead in most situations. Even when ahead. So it depends on meta... And if the specific player does it a lot.
Mutas are great if you can manipulate the game to where they can be effective, i.e. keep toss on three bases, make them commit huge amounts to phoenix while you expand everywhere. In the position he was in this game, even if Nestea gets 50 mutas before Alicia has a single phoenix out, it still shouldn't work. Just stay alive, get phoenix, win by default.
Yeah the game was over. No more mining bases for Nestea and the muta switch made him broke. So ofc he cannot win at that point. Even if P does a basetrade, there is no way for Nestea to get back. I was just saying in general. I dislike mutas. Which must mean they are good
I like lings... Stay on lings, and I'll be fine... Hiding behind my high walls like King Priam of Troy :D
Well since the two zerg styles that work in the late game against P are mass muta and hosts, I guess we could nerf mutas if we buffed hosts, maybe we could make the locusts flying units. Sound good?
Be able to load them up into Overlords and have them shoot locusts into our opponents base, would give some love to Ventril Sacs!
So the zerg equivalent of dogs with bees in their mouths?
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Well if Z does it all the time, it wont work. But if you don't start phoenix as he starts mutas, you are pretty dead in most situations. Even when ahead. So it depends on meta... And if the specific player does it a lot.
Mutas are great if you can manipulate the game to where they can be effective, i.e. keep toss on three bases, make them commit huge amounts to phoenix while you expand everywhere. In the position he was in this game, even if Nestea gets 50 mutas before Alicia has a single phoenix out, it still shouldn't work. Just stay alive, get phoenix, win by default.
Yeah the game was over. No more mining bases for Nestea and the muta switch made him broke. So ofc he cannot win at that point. Even if P does a basetrade, there is no way for Nestea to get back. I was just saying in general. I dislike mutas. Which must mean they are good
I like lings... Stay on lings, and I'll be fine... Hiding behind my high walls like King Priam of Troy :D
Well since the two zerg styles that work in the late game against P are mass muta and hosts, I guess we could nerf mutas if we buffed hosts, maybe we could make the locusts flying units. Sound good?
thx god you guys don't have David Kim's job
Dude if you put me in charge of balance I would burn down the game pretty hard. Tanks that can seige on top of medivacs, Broodlords that fire zerglings, and Colossi that can Breakdance to shoot air units.
Or you could go truely mad and make carriers viable.
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Well if Z does it all the time, it wont work. But if you don't start phoenix as he starts mutas, you are pretty dead in most situations. Even when ahead. So it depends on meta... And if the specific player does it a lot.
Mutas are great if you can manipulate the game to where they can be effective, i.e. keep toss on three bases, make them commit huge amounts to phoenix while you expand everywhere. In the position he was in this game, even if Nestea gets 50 mutas before Alicia has a single phoenix out, it still shouldn't work. Just stay alive, get phoenix, win by default.
Yeah the game was over. No more mining bases for Nestea and the muta switch made him broke. So ofc he cannot win at that point. Even if P does a basetrade, there is no way for Nestea to get back. I was just saying in general. I dislike mutas. Which must mean they are good
I like lings... Stay on lings, and I'll be fine... Hiding behind my high walls like King Priam of Troy :D
Well since the two zerg styles that work in the late game against P are mass muta and hosts, I guess we could nerf mutas if we buffed hosts, maybe we could make the locusts flying units. Sound good?
thx god you guys don't have David Kim's job
Dude if you put me in charge of balance I would burn down the game pretty hard. Tanks that can seige on top of medivacs, Broodlords that fire zerglings, and Colossi that can Breakdance to shoot air units.
Or you could go truely mad and make carriers viable.
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.
Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
Well if Z does it all the time, it wont work. But if you don't start phoenix as he starts mutas, you are pretty dead in most situations. Even when ahead. So it depends on meta... And if the specific player does it a lot.
Mutas are great if you can manipulate the game to where they can be effective, i.e. keep toss on three bases, make them commit huge amounts to phoenix while you expand everywhere. In the position he was in this game, even if Nestea gets 50 mutas before Alicia has a single phoenix out, it still shouldn't work. Just stay alive, get phoenix, win by default.
Yeah the game was over. No more mining bases for Nestea and the muta switch made him broke. So ofc he cannot win at that point. Even if P does a basetrade, there is no way for Nestea to get back. I was just saying in general. I dislike mutas. Which must mean they are good
I like lings... Stay on lings, and I'll be fine... Hiding behind my high walls like King Priam of Troy :D
Well since the two zerg styles that work in the late game against P are mass muta and hosts, I guess we could nerf mutas if we buffed hosts, maybe we could make the locusts flying units. Sound good?
thx god you guys don't have David Kim's job
Dude if you put me in charge of balance I would burn down the game pretty hard. Tanks that can seige on top of medivacs, Broodlords that fire zerglings, and Colossi that can Breakdance to shoot air units.
Or you could go truely mad and make carriers viable.
Even I'm not that crazy.
Of course, it's probably better to not even think of such horrible things
On June 26 2014 08:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: So did Nesteas mechanics just get worse or did everyone use to be that bad?
Both. Watch some games from 2011/early 2012, keep bleach available for rinsing of eyes. People were just bad.
Serious question, why does everyone say early SC2 was bad? No one went macro? Everyone did SCV pulls and one base raven plays? No splits?
Generally poor mechanics(Boxer floating 1k+ minerals on 2 bases constantly), primitive meta, no one knew how to engage properly(zerg would a-move banes into marauders, which would still work because no one spread their bio anyway). Tons of cheese, some fairly broken stuff had yet to be fixed(void ray speed comes to mind). Also the maps were beyond horrific. Blizzard maps are generally shit but the early map pools were in a league of their own.
I actually played on XNC as my first map ever. I thought it was ok, although the gold third PF was bogus. I'm also pretty sure the natural was horrifically open.
So you say that people ran banes into 'rauders. I understand if splitting was bad because people didn't think it was important or didn't practice it, but... since banes do splash. Why wouldn't you split? Banes do bonus damage to light. Why would you waste them on non-light units?
I only started watching SC2 seriously in 2013 S2, I want to emphasize I'm not being a tool on purpose but, did people really not read unit abilities and damage?
Didn't Boxer have good mechanics in BW? I suppose he was creative more than anything. You'd think that with multiple building selection, the BW pros would master the macro. Isn't that why Flash's macro is so good, it carried over from BW, while his game sense etc didn't port quite so well?
On June 26 2014 08:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: So did Nesteas mechanics just get worse or did everyone use to be that bad?
Both. Watch some games from 2011/early 2012, keep bleach available for rinsing of eyes. People were just bad.
Serious question, why does everyone say early SC2 was bad? No one went macro? Everyone did SCV pulls and one base raven plays? No splits?
Generally poor mechanics(Boxer floating 1k+ minerals on 2 bases constantly), primitive meta, no one knew how to engage properly(zerg would a-move banes into marauders, which would still work because no one spread their bio anyway). Tons of cheese, some fairly broken stuff had yet to be fixed(void ray speed comes to mind). Also the maps were beyond horrific. Blizzard maps are generally shit but the early map pools were in a league of their own.
I actually played on XNC as my first map ever. I thought it was ok, although the gold third PF was bogus. I'm also pretty sure the natural was horrifically open.
So you say that people ran banes into 'rauders. I understand if splitting was bad because people didn't think it was important or didn't practice it, but... since banes do splash. Why wouldn't you split? Banes do bonus damage to light. Why would you waste them on non-light units?
I only started watching SC2 seriously in 2013 S2, I want to emphasize I'm not being a tool on purpose but, did people really not read unit abilities and damage?
Didn't Boxer have good mechanics in BW? I suppose he was creative more than anything. You'd think that with multiple building selection, the BW pros would master the macro. Isn't that why Flash's macro is so good, it carried over from BW, while his game sense etc didn't port quite so well?
BW and SC2 are very different games with very different mechanics. Also, many of the pros who went to SC2 right away were the b-teamers of BW who couldn't make it in BW
On June 26 2014 08:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: So did Nesteas mechanics just get worse or did everyone use to be that bad?
Both. Watch some games from 2011/early 2012, keep bleach available for rinsing of eyes. People were just bad.
Serious question, why does everyone say early SC2 was bad? No one went macro? Everyone did SCV pulls and one base raven plays? No splits?
Generally less macro, poorer mechanics, super basic strats, Terran was crazy OP, just lesser play in general. Imagine everyone was diamond and the game had no balance.
edit: oh, and maps. the maps were the worst thing ever. go take a look at Xelnaga Caverns and keep in mind it was pretty much the best map of it's day
Basically why Fruitdealer winning was so important to prove the game wasn't totally broken (look at how massively Zerg got buffed the next tournament - they were close to unplayable before that. In fact there's a great article on TL about how Fruitdealer managed to win GSL despite all the handicaps by basically mind-gaming everyone).
Also, why I think MKP - Kyrix was the most important series in SC2 history since it proved that you can beat your 'hard counter'*, which people at the time complained wasn't possible and made SC2 a stupid game (which it would have been if they were right).
* Edit: WIth Micro! which some people also didn't think could exist in SC2 either for some strange reason (haters I guess?)
On June 26 2014 08:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: So did Nesteas mechanics just get worse or did everyone use to be that bad?
Both. Watch some games from 2011/early 2012, keep bleach available for rinsing of eyes. People were just bad.
Serious question, why does everyone say early SC2 was bad? No one went macro? Everyone did SCV pulls and one base raven plays? No splits?
Generally poor mechanics(Boxer floating 1k+ minerals on 2 bases constantly), primitive meta, no one knew how to engage properly(zerg would a-move banes into marauders, which would still work because no one spread their bio anyway). Tons of cheese, some fairly broken stuff had yet to be fixed(void ray speed comes to mind). Also the maps were beyond horrific. Blizzard maps are generally shit but the early map pools were in a league of their own.
I actually played on XNC as my first map ever. I thought it was ok, although the gold third PF was bogus. I'm also pretty sure the natural was horrifically open.
So you say that people ran banes into 'rauders. I understand if splitting was bad because people didn't think it was important or didn't practice it, but... since banes do splash. Why wouldn't you split? Banes do bonus damage to light. Why would you waste them on non-light units?
I only started watching SC2 seriously in 2013 S2, I want to emphasize I'm not being a tool on purpose but, did people really not read unit abilities and damage?
Didn't Boxer have good mechanics in BW? I suppose he was creative more than anything. You'd think that with multiple building selection, the BW pros would master the macro. Isn't that why Flash's macro is so good, it carried over from BW, while his game sense etc didn't port quite so well?
One important thing to note is that back then, BW was still the big dog. Everyone who were still good played BW, only B-teamers, faded legends and foreigners played SC2 pretty much. When Kespa switched over to Sc2 fully, with all their experience and infrastructure, the average skill level went up by about 9001%.
The players back then were just less refined and generally less good. It's like early BW compared to the 2006-2009 era.
Revival spawns in the top right Nestea spawns in the top left
2:00 Hatchery first for Nestea versus a spawning pool and hatchery for Revival. Gas/pool for Nestea.
3:00 Queens for both players. Nestea researching zergling speed.
4:00 Nestea taking the gold. 2 extractors for Revival.
5:00 Revival sees the gold base. Evolution chamber and roach warren for Revival. Nestea gets into the main of Revival with a zergling.
6:00 Nestea getting a baneling nest. Second evolution chamber for Revival. Nestea cancels the baneling nest and gets a roach warren and 18 zerglings.
7:00 NesTea 62 vs Revival 70 Worker counts are at 38 each. Revival moving out with roaches. Nestea moving out with a lot of zerglings.
8:00 NesTea 85 vs Revival 80 Revival has to hold the counterattack of zerglings and Nestea starts pumping out roaches. Revival reinforcing with zerglings. 9:00 NesTea 66 vs Revival 66 Nestea losing some drones but both players are dragging each other down. Revival backs up and nearly has a lair. Nestea starting a lair.
10:00 NesTea 82 vs Revival 79 +1/1 for Revival as well as roach speed. Nestea starts roach speed as he tries a poke but backs off.
Revival spawns in the top right Nestea spawns in the top left
2:00 Hatchery first for Nestea versus a spawning pool and hatchery for Revival. Gas/pool for Nestea.
3:00 Queens for both players. Nestea researching zergling speed.
4:00 Nestea taking the gold. 2 extractors for Revival.
5:00 Revival sees the gold base. Evolution chamber and roach warren for Revival. Nestea gets into the main of Revival with a zergling.
6:00 Nestea getting a baneling nest. Second evolution chamber for Revival. Nestea cancels the baneling nest and gets a roach warren and 18 zerglings.
7:00 NesTea 62 vs Revival 70 Worker counts are at 38 each. Revival moving out with roaches. Nestea moving out with a lot of zerglings.
8:00 NesTea 85 vs Revival 80 Revival has to hold the counterattack of zerglings and Nestea starts pumping out roaches. Revival reinforcing with zerglings. 9:00 NesTea 66 vs Revival 66 Nestea losing some drones but both players are dragging each other down. Revival backs up and nearly has a lair. Nestea starting a lair.
10:00 NesTea 82 vs Revival 79 +1/1 for Revival as well as roach speed. Nestea starts roach speed as he tries a poke but backs off.
12:00 NesTea 109 vs Revival 118 Nestea actually had +1/1 all along and moves into Revival's army, trading roughly evenly. Nestea down 5 workers.
13:00 NesTea 100 vs Revival 104 Another roach battle near the center and Nestea chases Revival back to his gold before retreating. Both players building more roaches. Nestea nearly finished with +2. Nestea nearly even on workers, 39-40.
14:00 NesTea 122 vs Revival 124 Nestea camps roaches closer to the center, below the upper area.
15:00 NesTea 152 vs Revival 152 More roaches for both players. Even more roaches. Revival getting +2 attack.
Revival spawns in the top right Nestea spawns in the top left
2:00 Hatchery first for Nestea versus a spawning pool and hatchery for Revival. Gas/pool for Nestea.
3:00 Queens for both players. Nestea researching zergling speed.
4:00 Nestea taking the gold. 2 extractors for Revival.
5:00 Revival sees the gold base. Evolution chamber and roach warren for Revival. Nestea gets into the main of Revival with a zergling.
6:00 Nestea getting a baneling nest. Second evolution chamber for Revival. Nestea cancels the baneling nest and gets a roach warren and 18 zerglings.
7:00 NesTea 62 vs Revival 70 Worker counts are at 38 each. Revival moving out with roaches. Nestea moving out with a lot of zerglings.
8:00 NesTea 85 vs Revival 80 Revival has to hold the counterattack of zerglings and Nestea starts pumping out roaches. Revival reinforcing with zerglings. 9:00 NesTea 66 vs Revival 66 Nestea losing some drones but both players are dragging each other down. Revival backs up and nearly has a lair. Nestea starting a lair.
10:00 NesTea 82 vs Revival 79 +1/1 for Revival as well as roach speed. Nestea starts roach speed as he tries a poke but backs off.
12:00 NesTea 109 vs Revival 118 Nestea actually had +1/1 all along and moves into Revival's army, trading roughly evenly. Nestea down 5 workers.
13:00 NesTea 100 vs Revival 104 Another roach battle near the center and Nestea chases Revival back to his gold before retreating. Both players building more roaches. Nestea nearly finished with +2. Nestea nearly even on workers, 39-40.
14:00 NesTea 122 vs Revival 124 Nestea camps roaches closer to the center, below the upper area.
15:00 NesTea 152 vs Revival 152 More roaches for both players. Even more roaches. Revival getting +2 attack.
16:00 NesTea 168 vs Revival 167 Revival taking a fourth base. Revival moving out, seeing the roaches of Nestea. Revival attacks before +2/2 is finished. Nestea fends off the attack and picks off a bunch of roaches, evening off the army supply again.
18:00 NesTea 125 vs Revival 144 Nestea getting the fourth base. Nestea finishing +1 carapace. Nestea down 10 roaches.
19:00 NesTea148 vs Revival 176 Revival getting burrow. +2 carapace for Nestea. +2 carapace for Revival. Revival has overlords everywhere. Nestea sending lots of overlords across the map.
20:00 NesTea 199 vs Revival 200 Tunneling claws for Revival. Hydralisk den for both players! Overlord speed for Revival. Revival moving across the map.
Revival spawns in the top right Nestea spawns in the top left
2:00 Hatchery first for Nestea versus a spawning pool and hatchery for Revival. Gas/pool for Nestea.
3:00 Queens for both players. Nestea researching zergling speed.
4:00 Nestea taking the gold. 2 extractors for Revival.
5:00 Revival sees the gold base. Evolution chamber and roach warren for Revival. Nestea gets into the main of Revival with a zergling.
6:00 Nestea getting a baneling nest. Second evolution chamber for Revival. Nestea cancels the baneling nest and gets a roach warren and 18 zerglings.
7:00 NesTea 62 vs Revival 70 Worker counts are at 38 each. Revival moving out with roaches. Nestea moving out with a lot of zerglings.
8:00 NesTea 85 vs Revival 80 Revival has to hold the counterattack of zerglings and Nestea starts pumping out roaches. Revival reinforcing with zerglings. 9:00 NesTea 66 vs Revival 66 Nestea losing some drones but both players are dragging each other down. Revival backs up and nearly has a lair. Nestea starting a lair.
10:00 NesTea 82 vs Revival 79 +1/1 for Revival as well as roach speed. Nestea starts roach speed as he tries a poke but backs off.
12:00 NesTea 109 vs Revival 118 Nestea actually had +1/1 all along and moves into Revival's army, trading roughly evenly. Nestea down 5 workers.
13:00 NesTea 100 vs Revival 104 Another roach battle near the center and Nestea chases Revival back to his gold before retreating. Both players building more roaches. Nestea nearly finished with +2. Nestea nearly even on workers, 39-40.
14:00 NesTea 122 vs Revival 124 Nestea camps roaches closer to the center, below the upper area.
15:00 NesTea 152 vs Revival 152 More roaches for both players. Even more roaches. Revival getting +2 attack.
16:00 NesTea 168 vs Revival 167 Revival taking a fourth base. Revival moving out, seeing the roaches of Nestea. Revival attacks before +2/2 is finished. Nestea fends off the attack and picks off a bunch of roaches, evening off the army supply again.
18:00 NesTea 125 vs Revival 144 Nestea getting the fourth base. Nestea finishing +1 carapace. Nestea down 10 roaches.
19:00 NesTea148 vs Revival 176 Revival getting burrow. +2 carapace for Nestea. +2 carapace for Revival. Revival has overlords everywhere. Nestea sending lots of overlords across the map.
20:00 NesTea 199 vs Revival 200 Tunneling claws for Revival. Hydralisk den for both players! Overlord speed for Revival. Revival moving across the map.
22:00 NesTea 200 vs Revival 200 Roach stand-off outside Nestea's gold. Revival tries the fourth base but Nestea is very ready. Nestea engages the army but Revival gets roaches into Nestea's main and natural.
23:00 NesTea 195 vs Revival 195 Revival losing a lot of drones in the center engagement but is killing a lot of drones in Nestea's main and natural. Revival adding on hydralisks. Nestea has burrow as well.
24:00 NesTea 195 vs Revival 200 Revival engages with lots of hydralisks and trades. Revival has a much better economy at this point. Contaminate on Nestea's fourth base.
25:00 NesTea 114 vs Revival 162 Baneling nest! for Nestea. Revival mining out his gold base.
Revival spawns in the top right Nestea spawns in the top left
2:00 Hatchery first for Nestea versus a spawning pool and hatchery for Revival. Gas/pool for Nestea.
3:00 Queens for both players. Nestea researching zergling speed.
4:00 Nestea taking the gold. 2 extractors for Revival.
5:00 Revival sees the gold base. Evolution chamber and roach warren for Revival. Nestea gets into the main of Revival with a zergling.
6:00 Nestea getting a baneling nest. Second evolution chamber for Revival. Nestea cancels the baneling nest and gets a roach warren and 18 zerglings.
7:00 NesTea 62 vs Revival 70 Worker counts are at 38 each. Revival moving out with roaches. Nestea moving out with a lot of zerglings.
8:00 NesTea 85 vs Revival 80 Revival has to hold the counterattack of zerglings and Nestea starts pumping out roaches. Revival reinforcing with zerglings. 9:00 NesTea 66 vs Revival 66 Nestea losing some drones but both players are dragging each other down. Revival backs up and nearly has a lair. Nestea starting a lair.
10:00 NesTea 82 vs Revival 79 +1/1 for Revival as well as roach speed. Nestea starts roach speed as he tries a poke but backs off.
12:00 NesTea 109 vs Revival 118 Nestea actually had +1/1 all along and moves into Revival's army, trading roughly evenly. Nestea down 5 workers.
13:00 NesTea 100 vs Revival 104 Another roach battle near the center and Nestea chases Revival back to his gold before retreating. Both players building more roaches. Nestea nearly finished with +2. Nestea nearly even on workers, 39-40.
14:00 NesTea 122 vs Revival 124 Nestea camps roaches closer to the center, below the upper area.
15:00 NesTea 152 vs Revival 152 More roaches for both players. Even more roaches. Revival getting +2 attack.
16:00 NesTea 168 vs Revival 167 Revival taking a fourth base. Revival moving out, seeing the roaches of Nestea. Revival attacks before +2/2 is finished. Nestea fends off the attack and picks off a bunch of roaches, evening off the army supply again.
18:00 NesTea 125 vs Revival 144 Nestea getting the fourth base. Nestea finishing +1 carapace. Nestea down 10 roaches.
19:00 NesTea148 vs Revival 176 Revival getting burrow. +2 carapace for Nestea. +2 carapace for Revival. Revival has overlords everywhere. Nestea sending lots of overlords across the map.
20:00 NesTea 199 vs Revival 200 Tunneling claws for Revival. Hydralisk den for both players! Overlord speed for Revival. Revival moving across the map.
22:00 NesTea 200 vs Revival 200 Roach stand-off outside Nestea's gold. Revival tries the fourth base but Nestea is very ready. Nestea engages the army but Revival gets roaches into Nestea's main and natural.
23:00 NesTea 195 vs Revival 195 Revival losing a lot of drones in the center engagement but is killing a lot of drones in Nestea's main and natural. Revival adding on hydralisks. Nestea has burrow as well.
24:00 NesTea 195 vs Revival 200 Revival engages with lots of hydralisks and trades. Revival has a much better economy at this point. Contaminate on Nestea's fourth base.
25:00 NesTea 114 vs Revival 162 Baneling nest! for Nestea. Revival mining out his gold base.
26:00 NesTea 140 vs Revival 192 Revival going for Nestea's base with a roach-only army. Revival kills some banelings, backing off for a while. +3/3 for Revival. Revival going for a large concave on Nestea's fourth base. Revival took a fifth base.
28:00 NesTea 68 vs Revival 117 Revival breaks Nestea's fourth and Nestea GG's! Revival takes a 1-0 lead!
On June 26 2014 09:44 Circumstance wrote: Imagine if a Roach could morph into some kind of super-Roach on Hive Tech, similar to Corruptors becoming BLs, in LotV. Would that make ZvZ better?
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On June 26 2014 09:44 Circumstance wrote: Imagine if a Roach could morph into some kind of super-Roach on Hive Tech, similar to Corruptors becoming BLs, in LotV. Would that make ZvZ better?
Still would be a Roach war except people would be rushing to Greater Roach Warren.
On June 26 2014 09:44 Circumstance wrote: Imagine if a Roach could morph into some kind of super-Roach on Hive Tech, similar to Corruptors becoming BLs, in LotV. Would that make ZvZ better?
I'd just like to see other units besides roachs or mutas to be more viable. I like how Scarlett is doing muta ling into Broodlords, but I'd like to see more units.
On June 26 2014 09:44 Circumstance wrote: Imagine if a Roach could morph into some kind of super-Roach on Hive Tech, similar to Corruptors becoming BLs, in LotV. Would that make ZvZ better?
Still would be a Roach war except people would be rushing to Greater Roach Warren.
But that would leave a lot of time of vulnerability.
Revival spawns in the top right Nestea spawns in the top left
1:00 Nestea bringing in the truth with a 10 pool and double extractor, canceling one.
2:00 Revival going hatchery first. Nestea scouts Revival first, and Revival will scout him second. Baneling nest for Nestea. Nestea moving out with 6 zerglings. Spawning pool for Revival. Drones for Revival.
3:00 Banelings! Nestea gets banelings into Revival's main.
4:00 Revival splits his drones, saving a lot of them. Nestea micros his banelings pretty well but queens hold. Nestea building drones at home.
5:00 Nestea getting zergling speed and two zerglings. Revival scouts the followup, which is a speedling/baneling bust.
Revival spawns in the top right Nestea spawns in the top left
1:00 Nestea bringing in the truth with a 10 pool and double extractor, canceling one.
2:00 Revival going hatchery first. Nestea scouts Revival first, and Revival will scout him second. Baneling nest for Nestea. Nestea moving out with 6 zerglings. Spawning pool for Revival. Drones for Revival.
3:00 Banelings! Nestea gets banelings into Revival's main.
4:00 Revival splits his drones, saving a lot of them. Nestea micros his banelings pretty well but queens hold. Nestea building drones at home.
5:00 Nestea getting zergling speed and two zerglings. Revival scouts the followup, which is a speedling/baneling bust.
It seemed like a speedling/baneling bust but it ended up not being one. 7:00 NesTea 26 vs Revival 30 Nestea expands and revival sees it. Nestea taking a third base.
8:00 NesTea 30 vs Revival 46 Revival has more drones than Nestea has supply. Roach warren and evolution chamber for Revival. Revival getting extractors #3 and 4. Second evolution chamber for Revival.
9:00 NesTea 45 vs Revival 55 Both players getting lairs, but Revival's is faster. Revival getting +2/2. Evolution chamber on the way for Nestea.
10:00 NesTea 54 vs Revival 64 Third base for Revival. Both players getting roach speed. Nestea getting +1 ranged attack.
Revival spawns in the top right Nestea spawns in the top left
1:00 Nestea bringing in the truth with a 10 pool and double extractor, canceling one.
2:00 Revival going hatchery first. Nestea scouts Revival first, and Revival will scout him second. Baneling nest for Nestea. Nestea moving out with 6 zerglings. Spawning pool for Revival. Drones for Revival.
3:00 Banelings! Nestea gets banelings into Revival's main.
4:00 Revival splits his drones, saving a lot of them. Nestea micros his banelings pretty well but queens hold. Nestea building drones at home.
5:00 Nestea getting zergling speed and two zerglings. Revival scouts the followup, which is a speedling/baneling bust.
It seemed like a speedling/baneling bust but it ended up not being one. 7:00 NesTea 26 vs Revival 30 Nestea expands and revival sees it. Nestea taking a third base.
8:00 NesTea 30 vs Revival 46 Revival has more drones than Nestea has supply. Roach warren and evolution chamber for Revival. Revival getting extractors #3 and 4. Second evolution chamber for Revival.
9:00 NesTea 45 vs Revival 55 Both players getting lairs, but Revival's is faster. Revival getting +2/2. Evolution chamber on the way for Nestea.
10:00 NesTea 54 vs Revival 64 Third base for Revival. Both players getting roach speed. Nestea getting +1 ranged attack.
12:00 NesTea 92 vs Revival 97 Spine crawlers burrowing with Revival's attack. Nestea pulled drones, killing the spine crawlers. Revival is somehow pushed back.
13:00 NesTea 85 vs Revival 101 Nestea hides some zerglings and morphs two banelings near Revival's third base. Nestea moving out with his roaches. Banelings killing about 4-5 workers while Revival's distracted. Nestea is ahead 50-44 on workers.
15:00 NesTea 111 vs Revival 140 +2 attack for both players. Nestea morphing two more banelings near Revival's third base. Revival going for an attack. Revival gets a really good concave and obliterates Nestea's army despite losing workers to the banelings. Nestea GG's! Revival wins 2-0!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
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★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
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★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
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On June 26 2014 10:16 PhoenixVoid wrote: Was somewhat expecting a Cannon rush cause HyuN almost always goes 15 Hatch on this map then I remembered 4 player map.
On June 26 2014 10:16 PhoenixVoid wrote: Was somewhat expecting a Cannon rush cause HyuN almost always goes 15 Hatch on this map then I remembered 4 player map.
On June 26 2014 10:16 PhoenixVoid wrote: Was somewhat expecting a Cannon rush cause HyuN almost always goes 15 Hatch on this map then I remembered 4 player map.
On June 26 2014 10:16 PhoenixVoid wrote: Was somewhat expecting a Cannon rush cause HyuN almost always goes 15 Hatch on this map then I remembered 4 player map.
Alicia spawns in the top right HyuN spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Alicia scouting the wrong way. HyuN going hatchery first. Alicia getting a gateway and assimilator.
3:00 Second hatchery before pool for HyuN. Spawning pool for HyuN. Alicia expanding. Alicia hides a probe. Alicia tries pressure with a zealot.
5:00 2 more gateways for Alicia. Alicia loses his MSC.
6:00 HyuN tries to poke with zerglings but ends up losing some. Lair on the way. Roach warren for HyuN. Alicia going for a third base.
8:00 Alicia 65 vs HyuN 86 Zergling speed for HyuN. Roach speed for HyuN. HyuN getting an evolution chamber. Alicia has his third and is getting a robotics facility.
9:00 Alicia 87 vs HyuN 100 HyuN tries to be aggressive with zerglings but ends up just losing some. Twilight council and 2 gateways for Alicia.
10:00 Alicia 92 vs HyuN 104 Alicia adding on another gateway. HyuN is on 63 workers vs 60. HyuN finishing a fourth base. HyuN getting a hidden spire.
Alicia spawns in the top right HyuN spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Alicia scouting the wrong way. HyuN going hatchery first. Alicia getting a gateway and assimilator.
3:00 Second hatchery before pool for HyuN. Spawning pool for HyuN. Alicia expanding. Alicia hides a probe. Alicia tries pressure with a zealot.
5:00 2 more gateways for Alicia. Alicia loses his MSC.
6:00 HyuN tries to poke with zerglings but ends up losing some. Lair on the way. Roach warren for HyuN. Alicia going for a third base.
8:00 Alicia 65 vs HyuN 86 Zergling speed for HyuN. Roach speed for HyuN. HyuN getting an evolution chamber. Alicia has his third and is getting a robotics facility.
9:00 Alicia 87 vs HyuN 100 HyuN tries to be aggressive with zerglings but ends up just losing some. Twilight council and 2 gateways for Alicia.
10:00 Alicia 92 vs HyuN 104 Alicia adding on another gateway. HyuN is on 63 workers vs 60. HyuN finishing a fourth base. HyuN getting a hidden spire.
11:00 Alicia 109 vs HyuN 128 HyuN trying to keep his creep on the right-hand side of the map. +1 melee attack on the way for HyuN. HyuN surrounds Alicia with zerglings but doesn't manage to beat Alicia's army.
13:00 Alicia 122 vs HyuN 150 22 mutalisks for HyuN. Alicia warping in more stalkers before going for an attack. HyuN kills just about every probe except for the ones in the third base.
14:00 Alicia 99 vs HyuN 129 Alicia wrecks the natural and goes into the main base. Alicia recalls and blinks under the mutalisks. Immortals kill lots of drones but the recall means HyuN has his tech.
15:00 Alicia 59 vs HyuN 84 Alicia walks into the third base of HyuN and kills it.
Alicia spawns in the top right HyuN spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Alicia scouting the wrong way. HyuN going hatchery first. Alicia getting a gateway and assimilator.
3:00 Second hatchery before pool for HyuN. Spawning pool for HyuN. Alicia expanding. Alicia hides a probe. Alicia tries pressure with a zealot.
5:00 2 more gateways for Alicia. Alicia loses his MSC.
6:00 HyuN tries to poke with zerglings but ends up losing some. Lair on the way. Roach warren for HyuN. Alicia going for a third base.
8:00 Alicia 65 vs HyuN 86 Zergling speed for HyuN. Roach speed for HyuN. HyuN getting an evolution chamber. Alicia has his third and is getting a robotics facility.
9:00 Alicia 87 vs HyuN 100 HyuN tries to be aggressive with zerglings but ends up just losing some. Twilight council and 2 gateways for Alicia.
10:00 Alicia 92 vs HyuN 104 Alicia adding on another gateway. HyuN is on 63 workers vs 60. HyuN finishing a fourth base. HyuN getting a hidden spire.
11:00 Alicia 109 vs HyuN 128 HyuN trying to keep his creep on the right-hand side of the map. +1 melee attack on the way for HyuN. HyuN surrounds Alicia with zerglings but doesn't manage to beat Alicia's army.
13:00 Alicia 122 vs HyuN 150 22 mutalisks for HyuN. Alicia warping in more stalkers before going for an attack. HyuN kills just about every probe except for the ones in the third base.
14:00 Alicia 99 vs HyuN 129 Alicia wrecks the natural and goes into the main base. Alicia recalls and blinks under the mutalisks. Immortals kill lots of drones but the recall means HyuN has his tech.
15:00 Alicia 59 vs HyuN 84 Alicia walks into the third base of HyuN and kills it.
17:00 Alicia 57 vs HyuN 80 Alicia finds the spire. HyuN loses the overlord over the spire. Alicia killing the main of HyuN.
18:00 Alicia 42 vs HyuN 61 HyuN builds a hatchery Stalker hunting down HyuN's buildings. Alicia, losing his buildings, GG's. HyuN takes a 1-0 lead!
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Your vote: Recommend Winners' match Game 1?
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Alicia spawns in the bottom left HyuN spawns in the top right
2:00 HyuN taking the gold base… near Alicia's natural! Gateway + assimilator for Alicia.
3:00 Spawning pool for HyuN. HyuN sending some drones to the gold base. Alicia scouting and seeing nothing…
4:00 Alicia finds the gold base. Alicia walling off his natural with 2 more gateways.
5:00 HyuN taking his natural. Robotics facility on the way for Alicia. Spine crawler at HyuN's gold base.
6:00 Warp prism for Alicia. HyuN getting a lair. HyuN spreading creep.
7:00 Alicia 54 vs HyuN 60 Robotics bay for Alicia. HyuN sees a warp prism moving out. Alicia warping in zealots outside HyuN's natural with the warp prism but has to back off due to zerglings. Hydralisk den for HyuN. Colossus + extended thermal lance for Alicia.
9:00 Alicia 77 vs HyuN 90 Roach warren and hydralisks +range for HyuN. HyuN getting an infestation pit. HyuN nearly kills the warp prism with hydralisks. 7 total gateways for Alicia. HyuN gets the warp prism.
10:00 Alicia 82 vs HyuN 110 Alicia cut probes and is getting an observer and another warp prism. Alicia is on just 4 sentries. Hive for HyuN.
Alicia spawns in the bottom left HyuN spawns in the top right
2:00 HyuN taking the gold base… near Alicia's natural! Gateway + assimilator for Alicia.
3:00 Spawning pool for HyuN. HyuN sending some drones to the gold base. Alicia scouting and seeing nothing…
4:00 Alicia finds the gold base. Alicia walling off his natural with 2 more gateways.
5:00 HyuN taking his natural. Robotics facility on the way for Alicia. Spine crawler at HyuN's gold base.
6:00 Warp prism for Alicia. HyuN getting a lair. HyuN spreading creep.
7:00 Alicia 54 vs HyuN 60 Robotics bay for Alicia. HyuN sees a warp prism moving out. Alicia warping in zealots outside HyuN's natural with the warp prism but has to back off due to zerglings. Hydralisk den for HyuN. Colossus + extended thermal lance for Alicia.
9:00 Alicia 77 vs HyuN 90 Roach warren and hydralisks +range for HyuN. HyuN getting an infestation pit. HyuN nearly kills the warp prism with hydralisks. 7 total gateways for Alicia. HyuN gets the warp prism.
10:00 Alicia 82 vs HyuN 110 Alicia cut probes and is getting an observer and another warp prism. Alicia is on just 4 sentries. Hive for HyuN.
11:00 Alicia 112 vs HyuN 119 HyuN taking his third base. Roaches on the way.
12:00 Alicia 120 vs HyuN 133 Alicia moves towards the natural after forcing a cancel on the third. Good forcefields and part of HyuN's army is sectioned off.
13:00 Alicia 134 vs HyuN 142 Viper energy finishes and the colossi are both pulled, but neither die. Alicia marches into the natural and kills it. Kill kill kill kill. HyuN GG's! Alicia ties it up 1-1!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
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★★★- Good game (1)
25%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
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4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Alicia spawns in the top left HyuN spawns in the bottom
2:00 Alicia going nexus first against hatchery first. Gateway followup.
3:00 My tweet is shown on stream. HyuN getting a spawning pool. Double gas for Alicia.
4:00 Cybernetics core on the way. Sentry on the way for Alicia. Alicia building a forge. HyuN researching zergling speed.
5:00 Alicia hiding a probe in the opposite main. Zerglings for HyuN are poking. Two gateways at Alicia's natural expansion, walling off.
6:00 HyuN scouting with an overlord, which he loses, supply blocking him. HyuN very nearly finds the hidden probe. Four gateways in Alicia's natural. Hidden pylon for Alicia.
7:00 Alicia 59 vs HyuN 62 HyuN has nearly no creep spread. Lair on the way. Zealot warping with the hidden pylon.
8:00 Alicia 77 vs HyuN 96 Roach/ling for HyuN. No probes for Alicia. Alicia lands good FFs and a time warp. Drone pull gets wo sentries.
9:00 Alicia 77 vs HyuN 76 HyuN tries to surround with zerglings, but Alicia brings in +1 zerglings. HyuN trying roaches + roach speed.
10:00 Alicia 85 vs HyuN 69 Alicia walks into the natural. HyuN pulls more drones. Alicia dances his stalkers. HyuN has literally nothing left and GG's.
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Your vote: Recommend Winners' match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On June 26 2014 11:06 Circumstance wrote: What you need to do is, if you find one of the hidden presents on the map, you get a unit of the race not being played.
On June 26 2014 11:06 Circumstance wrote: What you need to do is, if you find one of the hidden presents on the map, you get a unit of the race not being played.
I want colossi in my ZvT's.
Bingo. You think your Blink all-in can roll over my Roaches? Not if you run into my WIDOW MINE!
On June 26 2014 11:06 Circumstance wrote: What you need to do is, if you find one of the hidden presents on the map, you get a unit of the race not being played.
Should be scaled by game time, the following units being available at the following times and later:
On June 26 2014 11:06 Circumstance wrote: What you need to do is, if you find one of the hidden presents on the map, you get a unit of the race not being played.
Should be scaled by game time, the following units being available at the following times and later:
On June 26 2014 11:06 Circumstance wrote: What you need to do is, if you find one of the hidden presents on the map, you get a unit of the race not being played.
Should be scaled by game time, the following units being available at the following times and later:
Nah I wanna send a drone out at the beginning of the map and have a tempest attacking my opponent at 3 minutes.
The key is, the map can't be littered with the presents. They have to be small and tucked away, so they're not easy to find and access. And maybe in order to access the unit, the actual contents of it have to be a thing that gets mined, then once it gets mined, the unit immediately spawns at the base it's mined to.
Revival spawns in the bottom right HyuN spawns in the top left
2:00 Both players going hatchery first. Gas before spawning pool for HyuN, spawning pool for Revival.
3:00 Queens for both players. Speed for HyuN, who's still mining a little gas.
4:00 24 zerglings for HyuN. Revival getting drones.
5:00 Revival walling with 2 evolution chambers and a roach warren. Zerglings moving across the map.
6:00 HyuN breaks into the natural and kills a queen and 19 drones. More drones in Revival's main die. Third base for HyuN.
7:00 Revival moving out with roaches. More zerglings get into Revival's natural and Revival backs off.
8:00 Revival 47 vs HyuN 70 HyuN has killed 27 drones and has roaches now. HyuN ahead 39-25 in workers. Revival walls off with roaches.
10:00 Revival 65 vs HyuN 85 HyuN finishing a lair. HyuN goes for a small attack which leads to a roughly even trade. Second evolution chamber for HyuN. Revival moving out with 20 roaches and zergling reinforcements.
On June 26 2014 11:06 Circumstance wrote: What you need to do is, if you find one of the hidden presents on the map, you get a unit of the race not being played.
Should be scaled by game time, the following units being available at the following times and later:
Nah I wanna send a drone out at the beginning of the map and have a tempest attacking my opponent at 3 minutes.
The key is, the map can't be littered with the presents. They have to be small and tucked away, so they're not easy to find and access. And maybe in order to access the unit, the actual contents of it have to be a thing that gets mined, then once it gets mined, the unit immediately spawns at the base it's mined to.
Revival spawns in the bottom right HyuN spawns in the top left
2:00 Both players going hatchery first. Gas before spawning pool for HyuN, spawning pool for Revival.
3:00 Queens for both players. Speed for HyuN, who's still mining a little gas.
4:00 24 zerglings for HyuN. Revival getting drones.
5:00 Revival walling with 2 evolution chambers and a roach warren. Zerglings moving across the map.
6:00 HyuN breaks into the natural and kills a queen and 19 drones. More drones in Revival's main die. Third base for HyuN.
7:00 Revival moving out with roaches. More zerglings get into Revival's natural and Revival backs off.
8:00 Revival 47 vs HyuN 70 HyuN has killed 27 drones and has roaches now. HyuN ahead 39-25 in workers. Revival walls off with roaches.
10:00 Revival 65 vs HyuN 85 HyuN finishing a lair. HyuN goes for a small attack which leads to a roughly even trade. Second evolution chamber for HyuN. Revival moving out with 20 roaches and zergling reinforcements.
11:00 Revival 84 vs HyuN 116 Revival moving into HyuN's natural and not quite managing to break in. More zerglings, but lots of Revival's remaining roaches die and he GG's. HyuN takes a 1-0 lead!
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4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On June 26 2014 11:06 Circumstance wrote: What you need to do is, if you find one of the hidden presents on the map, you get a unit of the race not being played.
Should be scaled by game time, the following units being available at the following times and later:
Nah I wanna send a drone out at the beginning of the map and have a tempest attacking my opponent at 3 minutes.
The key is, the map can't be littered with the presents. They have to be small and tucked away, so they're not easy to find and access. And maybe in order to access the unit, the actual contents of it have to be a thing that gets mined, then once it gets mined, the unit immediately spawns at the base it's mined to.
Sign us on for LotV design team, Blizzard.
If I had any programming or caoding knowledge, I'd say we should make a custom map or an Arcade game out of it.
Revival spawns in the bottom left HyuN spawns in the top right
2:00 Hatchery first followed by a spawning pool for Revival. HyuN getting a hatchery first followed by gas/pool.
3:00 Both players getting zerglings. Spine crawler for Revival.
4:00 Both players moving out with two zerglings. Revival tries to scout with his zerglings but HyuN denies it. Stream goes offline??
7:00 Revival 53 vs HyuN 52 stream back online Roach warren for Revival as well as Lair. HyuN getting a third base. Stream goes offline again.
9:00 Revival 82 vs HyuN 100 Somehow HyuN took a huge lead with an economic advantage. +1 ranged is half done for both players, but Revival is getting +1 carapace too. HyuN starts his +1 carapace. HyuN loses a few zerglings.
10:00 Revival 109 vs HyuN 140 Revival transferring workers to the third base. HyuN is moving into the third of Revival with a roach lead.
11:00 Revival 101 vs HyuN 149 HyuN breaks the third and starts moving towards the natural expansion. HyuN picks off more roaches while growing his army, and kills the roach warren. HyuN moves into the natural expansion. Revival GG's! HyuN wins 2-0 and advances!
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5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
★★★- Good game (4)
80%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
20%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
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★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
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5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On June 26 2014 11:42 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Well this was a fun "final WCS I get to watch before camp". Enjoy the rest of the season all you crazy kids!
My twitter guy is asleep so I will say it here. So proud of both our players, they are playing exceptional starcraft right now, showing determination and mechanical prowess in the face of tough opponents. They will be traveling to my place tomorrow to practice and relax a bit, so I am hoping to be in better shape tomorrow to be the good host. I was given fluids and some IV medication today to try and improve my condition, I am feeling more active and in less pain, though the issue with my right shoulder persist and they aren't 100% on what's causing that yet. It is a known side effect of this chemo type to experience joint and muscle pain but usually it's overall, rather than this localized. Will most likely be going on blood pressure meds to try and sort me out. Anyway, I have great care here and access to everything I need 24/7 so I am sure I will be fine and I hope the players won't worry about me and will instead concentrate on taking the WCS title
On June 26 2014 12:18 TotalBiscuit wrote: My twitter guy is asleep so I will say it here. So proud of both our players, they are playing exceptional starcraft right now, showing determination and mechanical prowess in the face of tough opponents. They will be traveling to my place tomorrow to practice and relax a bit, so I am hoping to be in better shape tomorrow to be the good host. I was given fluids and some IV medication today to try and improve my condition, I am feeling more active and in less pain, though the issue with my right shoulder persist and they aren't 100% on what's causing that yet. It is a known side effect of this chemo type to experience joint and muscle pain but usually it's overall, rather than this localized. Will most likely be going on blood pressure meds to try and sort me out. Anyway, I have great care here and access to everything I need 24/7 so I am sure I will be fine and I hope the players won't worry about me and will instead concentrate on taking the WCS title
On June 26 2014 12:18 TotalBiscuit wrote: My twitter guy is asleep so I will say it here. So proud of both our players, they are playing exceptional starcraft right now, showing determination and mechanical prowess in the face of tough opponents. They will be traveling to my place tomorrow to practice and relax a bit, so I am hoping to be in better shape tomorrow to be the good host. I was given fluids and some IV medication today to try and improve my condition, I am feeling more active and in less pain, though the issue with my right shoulder persist and they aren't 100% on what's causing that yet. It is a known side effect of this chemo type to experience joint and muscle pain but usually it's overall, rather than this localized. Will most likely be going on blood pressure meds to try and sort me out. Anyway, I have great care here and access to everything I need 24/7 so I am sure I will be fine and I hope the players won't worry about me and will instead concentrate on taking the WCS title
Damn man. Sounds like you've got it pretty fricking rough. But through all that, you have a great attitude and are commited to the team. You're the best TB, and good luck to the Axiom guys.
EPT
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Alicia and 
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). I think maybe slightly nerfing the spore crawler that they buffed last year.
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