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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
June 26 2014 00:02 GMT
#361
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.

Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
June 26 2014 00:02 GMT
#362
On June 26 2014 09:00 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 08:55 The_Templar wrote:
On June 26 2014 08:52 The_Templar wrote:
On June 26 2014 08:48 The_Templar wrote:
On June 26 2014 08:45 The_Templar wrote:
On June 26 2014 08:41 The_Templar wrote:
On June 26 2014 08:37 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

(Z)NesTea vs (P)Alicia
0-1


Map: King Sejong station


Nestea spawns in the bottom right
Alicia spawns in the top left

2:00
Forge first for Alicia.
Nestea scouts and goes pool first.

3:00
Nestea taking his third base first.
Alicia expands and gets a cannon.
Alicia scouts the third base.

4:00
Nestea takes his natural.
Queen going to the third base.
Cybernetics core on the way for Alicia.

5:00
Stargate on the way for Alicia.
Nestea building lots of drones.
Overlord goes for the natural, but the stargate is elsewhere.

6:00
Oracle for Alicia, cancelling +1 ground attack.
Nestea hasn't scouted the stargate.

7:00
Nestea loses 7 workers to an oracle, which doesn't quite die.
Nestea getting spore crawlers.
Alicia taking a third base.
Void ray killing some overlords.
+1 air weapons from Alicia.

8:00 (Z)NesTea 77 vs (P)Alicia 67
Nestea getting a lair.
Alicia building two more stargates.
Roach warren and evolution chamber are built under the oracle.
Void ray kills another overlord.

9:00 (Z)NesTea 91 vs (P)Alicia 79
Spire for Nestea.
Nestea finishes off the Oracle.
Alicia moving some void rays to the bottom of the map.

10:00 (Z)NesTea 119 vs (P)Alicia 99
Infestation pit on the way for Nestea as well as more spore crawlers, probably swarmhosts.
Nestea moving out with some zergling/roach.
Alicia charges up a void ray against some zerglings, but Nestea backs off

12:00 (Z)NesTea 145 vs (P)Alicia 127
Hive and infestors (not swarmhosts) and pathogen glands for Nestea.
Nestea scouting with a zergling.

13:00 (Z)NesTea 157 vs (P)Alicia 147
Nestea shows that I am wrong again and gets enduring locusts.
Nestea getting an ultralisk cavern at 13:30?
Nestea moves into the third base with zergling/roach and tries to focus the nexus.

14:00 (Z)NesTea 180 vs (P)Alicia 159
Nestea has a lot of queens and infestors.
Alicia breaks down Nestea's rocks.
Alicia trying a warp prism drop.
Mutalisks and ultralisks for Nestea.

15:00 (Z)NesTea 197 vs (P)Alicia 154
Blink and robotics facility for Alicia.
Nestea going for a fifth base, as he took the center base as a fourth.
Two more gateways for Alicia.
Alicia getting colossi.

16:00 (Z)NesTea 186 vs (P)Alicia 181
Nestea defending his natural from zealot harass.
Alicia sends zealots to the fifth.
Alicia dropping zealots into the main but they're caught before they kill anything.
Nestea lost his 5th.
Nestea's got one swarm host.

18:00 (Z)NesTea 198 vs (P)Alicia 175
Alicia securing his fourth base.
Nestea cleans up zealots in his fifth base and tries to retake it.
Dark shrine on the way.
Alicia has a lot of phoenixes.
Alicia tries a zealot attack on the natural but there's spine crawlers ready.

19:00 (Z)NesTea 200 vs (P)Alicia 193
Alicia getting cannons in his fourth base.
Nestea moving to the left side of the map.
Nestea taking his 5th base again and stops a zealot from killing it.
Alicia sending zealots around the map to kill creep tumors and pull Nestea's army towards them.
Alicia getting +3 attack.

21:00 (Z)NesTea 200 vs (P)Alicia 195
Nestea finds a warp prism with mutalisks.
Nestea loses his spire and fifth base, as well as the ultralisk cavern, to DTs.


22:00 (Z)NesTea 199 vs (P)Alicia 199
Nestea moving out.
Tempests on the way for Alicia.
Alicia getting storm and shield/air attack upgrades.

23:00 (Z)NesTea 198 vs (P)Alicia 199
Nestea securing his fifth base.
Nestea chain fungals all of the phoenixes and kills them, losing just one infestor.

24:00 (Z)NesTea 198 vs (P)Alicia 195
More swarmhosts from Nestea, time to switch the LR to 2 minute intervals.
Nestea getting a spine/spore crawler wall in the center.
MOTHERSHIP and +3 air weapons from Alicia.
Alicia taking his fifth base.
Nestea going for the backdoor to Alicia's natural.
Infested terrans in Alicia's natural as well as ultralisk/queen army.
Nestea kills a stargate and the cybernetics core before backing off.
Alicia has a lot of out-of-position archons.
Nestea is up to about 8 infestors.
+3 air weapons for Nestea.

27:00 (Z)NesTea 190 vs (P)Alicia 200
Alicia going for the spine/spore wall and Nestea counterattacks.
Mothership + army goes for Nestea's static defense and kills all of it.
Nestea losing his counterattack to DTs.
Nestea loses his fourth base.
Nestea getting vipers + overseers, but loses corrupters.

29:00 (Z)NesTea 157 vs (P)Alicia 194
Nestea still going for his counterattack with ultralisks and overseers.
More stargates for Alicia.
Alicia kills Nestea's fourth as well.
Alicia recalls and loses a lot of his army to ultralisks but crushes Nestea while retaining a lot of units.
44 mutalisks for Nestea.
Alicia contains Nestea onto 2 bases.
Nestea has almost no minerals but 4500 gas.
4 phoenixes on the way for Alicia.

31:00 (Z)NesTea 161 vs (P)Alicia 200
Alicia is completely ready for mutalisks but is out of position as Nestea runs them into the natural.
Nestea kills a lot of the phoenixes but the army backs up into the mutalisks and Nestea is pretty much cornered.

33:00 (Z)NesTea 119 vs (P)Alicia 192
Alicia gets Nestea down to about 12 mutalisks and moves out again.
Nestea trying to counterattack with swarmhosts.
Nestea has some infestors and kills some phoenixes but loses the infestors to the ground army.

35:00 (Z)NesTea 77 vs (P)Alicia 187
Alicia attack-moving into Nestea's last mining base and Nestea GG's!
Alicia wins 2-0!
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-26 00:03:35
June 26 2014 00:02 GMT
#363
Alicia is playing very well today.

Also I apparently just broke 5000 posts. Go me.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
June 26 2014 00:02 GMT
#364
Took a bit longer than it should have, but NesFree still fell as expected.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
June 26 2014 00:02 GMT
#365
Alicia! Now go destroy HyuN
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
June 26 2014 00:02 GMT
#366
Poll: Recommend Alicia vs Nestea Game 2?

★★★- Good game (4)
 
67%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
 
17%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
 
17%

★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
 
0%

6 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Alicia vs Nestea Game 2?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season


Poll: Recommend Alicia vs Nestea Game 3?

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
 
60%

★★★- Good game (1)
 
20%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
 
20%

★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

5 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Alicia vs Nestea Game 3?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season



ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Rain.100
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany946 Posts
June 26 2014 00:03 GMT
#367
everytime nestea loses i die a little bit inside
I have to return some videotapes. Maru and MarineLorD <3
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
June 26 2014 00:03 GMT
#368
On June 26 2014 09:02 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.

Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.


Unless your name contains the words "jae" and/or "dong"
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
June 26 2014 00:03 GMT
#369
On June 26 2014 09:02 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.

Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.

Considering Alicia barely lost his army and had his Stargate infrastructure it wouldn't have worked either way. And as you said, it's a nice way to go out in flames but likely won't do much unless you inflict game-ending amounts of damage to the Protoss.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
June 26 2014 00:03 GMT
#370
On June 26 2014 09:02 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.

Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.


Well if Z does it all the time, it wont work. But if you don't start phoenix as he starts mutas, you are pretty dead in most situations. Even when ahead. So it depends on meta... And if the specific player does it a lot.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
June 26 2014 00:08 GMT
#371
On June 26 2014 09:03 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 09:02 Squat wrote:
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.

Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.


Well if Z does it all the time, it wont work. But if you don't start phoenix as he starts mutas, you are pretty dead in most situations. Even when ahead. So it depends on meta... And if the specific player does it a lot.

Mutas are great if you can manipulate the game to where they can be effective, i.e. keep toss on three bases, make them commit huge amounts to phoenix while you expand everywhere. In the position he was in this game, even if Nestea gets 50 mutas before Alicia has a single phoenix out, it still shouldn't work. Just stay alive, get phoenix, win by default.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
June 26 2014 00:08 GMT
#372
Always liked Alicia. Good guy to copy as you try to ladder up imo.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 26 2014 00:09 GMT
#373
On June 26 2014 09:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 09:02 Squat wrote:
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.

Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.


Unless your name contains the words "jae" and/or "dong"


I don't remember any muta switches in 2014 by jaedong? But then I only remember the 6 pylons and the 4 gate.
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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
June 26 2014 00:11 GMT
#374
On June 26 2014 09:09 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 09:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On June 26 2014 09:02 Squat wrote:
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.

Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.


Unless your name contains the words "jae" and/or "dong"


I don't remember any muta switches in 2014 by jaedong? But then I only remember the 6 pylons and the 4 gate.

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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-26 00:12:17
June 26 2014 00:11 GMT
#375
On June 26 2014 09:09 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 09:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On June 26 2014 09:02 Squat wrote:
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.

Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.


Unless your name contains the words "jae" and/or "dong"


I don't remember any muta switches in 2014 by jaedong? But then I only remember the 6 pylons and the 4 gate.

Jaedong vs Patience on Alterzim Stronghold, IEM Cologne. Hell there was an article on it.
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-26 00:12:00
June 26 2014 00:11 GMT
#376
On June 26 2014 09:09 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 09:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On June 26 2014 09:02 Squat wrote:
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.

Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.


Unless your name contains the words "jae" and/or "dong"


I don't remember any muta switches in 2014 by jaedong? But then I only remember the 6 pylons and the 4 gate.


I'm almost sure he's done in a recent event.

On June 26 2014 09:11 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 09:09 stuchiu wrote:
On June 26 2014 09:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On June 26 2014 09:02 Squat wrote:
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.

Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.


Unless your name contains the words "jae" and/or "dong"


I don't remember any muta switches in 2014 by jaedong? But then I only remember the 6 pylons and the 4 gate.

Jaedong vs Patience on Alterzim Stronghold, IEM Cologne.


That's the one I was think of. Thanks
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
June 26 2014 00:11 GMT
#377
On June 26 2014 09:08 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 09:03 Mozdk wrote:
On June 26 2014 09:02 Squat wrote:
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.

Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.


Well if Z does it all the time, it wont work. But if you don't start phoenix as he starts mutas, you are pretty dead in most situations. Even when ahead. So it depends on meta... And if the specific player does it a lot.

Mutas are great if you can manipulate the game to where they can be effective, i.e. keep toss on three bases, make them commit huge amounts to phoenix while you expand everywhere. In the position he was in this game, even if Nestea gets 50 mutas before Alicia has a single phoenix out, it still shouldn't work. Just stay alive, get phoenix, win by default.


Yeah the game was over. No more mining bases for Nestea and the muta switch made him broke. So ofc he cannot win at that point. Even if P does a basetrade, there is no way for Nestea to get back. I was just saying in general. I dislike mutas. Which must mean they are good

I like lings... Stay on lings, and I'll be fine... Hiding behind my high walls like King Priam of Troy :D
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
RatzBarcode
Profile Joined December 2013
United States98 Posts
June 26 2014 00:13 GMT
#378
On June 26 2014 08:58 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 08:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So did Nesteas mechanics just get worse or did everyone use to be that bad?

Both. Watch some games from 2011/early 2012, keep bleach available for rinsing of eyes. People were just bad.


Serious question, why does everyone say early SC2 was bad? No one went macro? Everyone did SCV pulls and one base raven plays? No splits?
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
June 26 2014 00:13 GMT
#379
(2028) HyuN 0-0 Alicia (1682)
-----------------------------------------
42.29% 2-0 0-2 12.23%
29.58% 2-1 1-2 15.90%
-----------------------------------------
71.87% 28.13%
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
June 26 2014 00:14 GMT
#380
On June 26 2014 09:11 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 09:08 Squat wrote:
On June 26 2014 09:03 Mozdk wrote:
On June 26 2014 09:02 Squat wrote:
On June 26 2014 08:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Fourty. Four. Mutas. And to think he could have built more had he not been supply blocked.

Muta switches are so overhyped. It should never work against a protoss who is ahead on eco and isn't an idiot. Mass muta switches is a great way to look kind of cool before dying.


Well if Z does it all the time, it wont work. But if you don't start phoenix as he starts mutas, you are pretty dead in most situations. Even when ahead. So it depends on meta... And if the specific player does it a lot.

Mutas are great if you can manipulate the game to where they can be effective, i.e. keep toss on three bases, make them commit huge amounts to phoenix while you expand everywhere. In the position he was in this game, even if Nestea gets 50 mutas before Alicia has a single phoenix out, it still shouldn't work. Just stay alive, get phoenix, win by default.


Yeah the game was over. No more mining bases for Nestea and the muta switch made him broke. So ofc he cannot win at that point. Even if P does a basetrade, there is no way for Nestea to get back. I was just saying in general. I dislike mutas. Which must mean they are good

I like lings... Stay on lings, and I'll be fine... Hiding behind my high walls like King Priam of Troy :D

Well since the two zerg styles that work in the late game against P are mass muta and hosts, I guess we could nerf mutas if we buffed hosts, maybe we could make the locusts flying units. Sound good?
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