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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
June 25 2014 22:47 GMT
#101
TSL team kill

Hard to call this one. Should be HyuN due to more experience but you can't count out Revival!
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 25 2014 22:47 GMT
#102
On June 26 2014 07:47 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:45 ThomasjServo wrote:
Did hydras come out at all that match?

Hydras never come out in ZvZ anymore, after they were used a lot more after the patch went through, it's just went back to pure roach v roach. Not sure why tho.

Nostalgia, if that is the case it is basically gifting Hyun ZvZ.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
June 25 2014 22:48 GMT
#103
On June 26 2014 07:46 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:42 Undead1993 wrote:
hyun's macro is silly

Well zerg macro is not like terran macro, which actually takes some mechanics. The difference was his queen usage and Revival's over-aggression. Hyun should have been dead twice by my reckoning, but he held on with some very clutch fights.

Just wish roach fights were less deterministic, pure roach ZvZ is so predictable I can pretty much stop watching once one player maxes out with some key upgrades.

Roach Donut.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-25 22:48:40
June 25 2014 22:48 GMT
#104
On June 26 2014 07:46 ThomasjServo wrote:
I am waiting for when a player just peeks around the edge of the desk and gets DQ'd

To see what? A wildly flashing screen.
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
June 25 2014 22:48 GMT
#105
On June 26 2014 07:47 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:45 ThomasjServo wrote:
Did hydras come out at all that match?

Hydras never come out in ZvZ anymore, after they were used a lot more after the patch went through, it's just went back to pure roach v roach. Not sure why tho.


I don't get it at all. Even my plat-dia understanding of the game says if Revival built a hydra den when he first went across the map (the battle vs 7 queens) and just made roach hydra vs hyuns roach he would have rolled him.
pajoondies
Profile Joined February 2014
United States316 Posts
June 25 2014 22:49 GMT
#106
On June 26 2014 07:46 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:42 Undead1993 wrote:
hyun's macro is silly

Well zerg macro is not like terran macro, which actually takes some mechanics. The difference was his queen usage and Revival's over-aggression. Hyun should have been dead twice by my reckoning, but he held on with some very clutch fights.

Just wish roach fights were less deterministic, pure roach ZvZ is so predictable I can pretty much stop watching once one player maxes out with some key upgrades.


hey that's not fair to say about ZvZ roach wars after that match. it's usually true but revival had a supply AND upgrade lead and hyun's mechanics (being able to hold revival off until he could get a round of injects off so that he could bring the queens over to fight). that was a heroic hold, most pro zerg players wouldn't be able to do what he did. like you said, he held with some clutch fights!
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 25 2014 22:49 GMT
#107
On June 26 2014 07:48 bluQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:46 ThomasjServo wrote:
I am waiting for when a player just peeks around the edge of the desk and gets DQ'd

To see what? A wildly flashing screen.

Precisely.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-25 22:50:35
June 25 2014 22:49 GMT
#108
[image loading]

(Z)HyuN vs (Z)Revival
1-0


Map: Habitation Station


Revival spawns in the top right
Hyun spawns in the top left
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Dimagus
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1004 Posts
June 25 2014 22:50 GMT
#109
1-0?
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
June 25 2014 22:50 GMT
#110
On June 26 2014 07:50 Dimagus wrote:
1-0?

yeah it's 1-0, why?
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Bongy
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark151 Posts
June 25 2014 22:50 GMT
#111
I don't watch sc2 even half as often as I did before, but it's always a delight when NesTea is back at bigger events
http://myhah.net/
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
June 25 2014 22:51 GMT
#112
On June 26 2014 07:48 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:46 Squat wrote:
On June 26 2014 07:42 Undead1993 wrote:
hyun's macro is silly

Well zerg macro is not like terran macro, which actually takes some mechanics. The difference was his queen usage and Revival's over-aggression. Hyun should have been dead twice by my reckoning, but he held on with some very clutch fights.

Just wish roach fights were less deterministic, pure roach ZvZ is so predictable I can pretty much stop watching once one player maxes out with some key upgrades.

Roach Donut.

Yeah that happens once every 1000th game or so, and only because the other player screws up. It's so much of; player 1 gets a lead, gets 2+ attack and 200/200, while player B is stuck around 150-160, Player A attacks and wins. Attempt to transition when behind usually just results in instant death too.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 25 2014 22:52 GMT
#113
On June 26 2014 07:49 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

(P)LR vs (Z)Logic
1-0


Map: Habitation Station


LR spawns in the top right
Logic spawns in the top left

I am just having fun with this at this point, credit where credit is due for Templar posting exploitable LRs and doing the lords work.
coL.hendralisk
Profile Joined September 2009
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
June 25 2014 22:52 GMT
#114
On June 26 2014 07:48 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:47 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 26 2014 07:45 ThomasjServo wrote:
Did hydras come out at all that match?

Hydras never come out in ZvZ anymore, after they were used a lot more after the patch went through, it's just went back to pure roach v roach. Not sure why tho.


I don't get it at all. Even my plat-dia understanding of the game says if Revival built a hydra den when he first went across the map (the battle vs 7 queens) and just made roach hydra vs hyuns roach he would have rolled him.


I don't think either player can float the resources to make the hydra den and then make a high enough hydra count to make a diff without dying to roach
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 25 2014 22:53 GMT
#115
On June 26 2014 07:48 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:47 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 26 2014 07:45 ThomasjServo wrote:
Did hydras come out at all that match?

Hydras never come out in ZvZ anymore, after they were used a lot more after the patch went through, it's just went back to pure roach v roach. Not sure why tho.


I don't get it at all. Even my plat-dia understanding of the game says if Revival built a hydra den when he first went across the map (the battle vs 7 queens) and just made roach hydra vs hyuns roach he would have rolled him.


Nah hydras suck. Especially on overgrowth.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
June 25 2014 22:53 GMT
#116
On June 26 2014 07:49 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

(Z)HyuN vs (Z)Revival
1-0


Map: Habitation Station


Revival spawns in the top right
Hyun spawns in the top left

2:00
Hatchery after spawning pool from both players.

3:00
Queen for both players.
Revival has more APM.

4:00
HyuN mined some gas and researched zergling speed.
HyuN sending a drone to the gold base, taking it.

5:00
Roach warren! and an evolution chamber and extractor for Revival.
Lair for Revival as well as a second evolution chamber.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 25 2014 22:53 GMT
#117
I think a better choice would have been for Revival to leverage his superior roach count into a gold base.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
June 25 2014 22:54 GMT
#118
On June 26 2014 07:50 Bongy wrote:
I don't watch sc2 even half as often as I did before, but it's always a delight when NesTea is back at bigger events


Then you should stop watching before he plays
AdministratorBreak the chains
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-25 22:55:00
June 25 2014 22:54 GMT
#119
On June 26 2014 07:48 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 07:47 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 26 2014 07:45 ThomasjServo wrote:
Did hydras come out at all that match?

Hydras never come out in ZvZ anymore, after they were used a lot more after the patch went through, it's just went back to pure roach v roach. Not sure why tho.


I don't get it at all. Even my plat-dia understanding of the game says if Revival built a hydra den when he first went across the map (the battle vs 7 queens) and just made roach hydra vs hyuns roach he would have rolled him.

Hydras need speed and range to be effective, and you need at least 10+ to be worthwhile. It's just too much of an investment on that kind of eco. Your opponent will just bludgeon you by spamming roaches. He could have done when he was ahead true, but I'm pretty sure he though he could just kill Hyun if he massed roaches and attacked.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 25 2014 22:54 GMT
#120
Topic: Is ZvZ destined to fall into a formulaic match up with a single unit composition?
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