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On June 23 2014 12:43 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:41 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:35 iS.Mike wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 iS.Mike wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 Cheren wrote:On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote:
Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine. What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch. The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this. That being said, what patch are you talking about? It seems that the results have been consistent regardless. But you're not balance whining right? That is good to know And you're not avoiding the issue? I have an issue with balance whine because it is fucking stupid I'm working on a blog post about balance discussion. Care to share your thoughts? I'm very interested.
So balance is a topic to be discussed between game designers and the top pro players.
For the rest of us the team liquid thread is a place to hang out, get hyped , big up your favourite players, cast down the ones you don't like and exclaim over incredible play.
By complaining about balance, when you probably don't know anything about the game, in a LR thread, you are just breeding negativity and not saying anything useful at all.
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On June 23 2014 12:46 iS.Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:41 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:35 iS.Mike wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 iS.Mike wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 Cheren wrote:On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote:
Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine. What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch. The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this. That being said, what patch are you talking about? It seems that the results have been consistent regardless. But you're not balance whining right? That is good to know And you're not avoiding the issue? I have an issue with balance whine because it is fucking stupid but you are not complaining about balance right so there is no problem. You do realize that even if I'm not complaining about balance, you still haven't addressed the content of my post which is the 66% protoss winning percentage in premier events and the >50% top 2 finish of protosses in those events. You don't need to be so on guard about everything you perceive to be balance whine. Being aware of these statistics and being able to attribute them to external factors such as competition quality or race distribution is actually healthy for the state of sc2 and certainly more responsible than shutting down every time someone mentions balance.
The reason I haven't addressed the "content" of your post is because I don't give a fuck about statistics and I don't come to this thread to discuss it.
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The fuck? Protoss have not been winning more than Zerg since the patch, we've seen pretty even results between toss and zerg with terran behind both.
Zerg won Seatstory, DH Bucharest, and Lone Star Clash, Terran won DH Summer and Homestory, Protoss won IEM and this. Not counting GSL or WCS since most of the games were pre-patch.
The results have not been consistent, Protoss went from winning literally every tournament to winning two tournaments 3 months apart from each other.
I'd say when there are Protoss who plays in GSL then they'd win the tournament. Funny thing is Trap is not even in Code S.
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Kelsier, I'm reading this thread and the mafia game I'm playing in, and they're starting to look similar. Please stop being hostile 
I know it's balance whine, and we all know balance whine is bad, so just cool off and report/ignore the balance whine.
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On June 23 2014 12:46 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:43 pure.Wasted wrote:On June 23 2014 12:41 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:35 iS.Mike wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 iS.Mike wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 Cheren wrote:On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote:
Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine. What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch. The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this. That being said, what patch are you talking about? It seems that the results have been consistent regardless. But you're not balance whining right? That is good to know And you're not avoiding the issue? I have an issue with balance whine because it is fucking stupid I'm working on a blog post about balance discussion. Care to share your thoughts? I'm very interested. So balance is a topic to be discussed between game designers and the top pro players. For the rest of us the team liquid thread is a place to hang out, get hyped , big up your favourite players, cast down the ones you don't like and exclaim over incredible play. By complaining about balance, when you probably don't know anything about the game, in a LR thread, you are just breeding negativity and not saying anything useful at all.
There have been numerous occasions when community members spoke up about balance issues in the game that they thought were very obvious (Hellbat damage output and MSC vision being two obvious ones in HOTS), and these issues weren't acted upon for months at a time. Obviously before they were acted upon, these issues influenced the way series and tournaments played out.
Would your position be that the speed with which Blizzard addresses balance issues isn't influenced whatsoever by community feedback? Or would you say that a positive mood in LR threads is more important than achieving ideal balance as quickly as possible? (Or maybe there's a third option I'm missing)
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On June 23 2014 12:51 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:46 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:43 pure.Wasted wrote:On June 23 2014 12:41 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:35 iS.Mike wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 iS.Mike wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 Cheren wrote:On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote:
Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine. What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch. The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this. That being said, what patch are you talking about? It seems that the results have been consistent regardless. But you're not balance whining right? That is good to know And you're not avoiding the issue? I have an issue with balance whine because it is fucking stupid I'm working on a blog post about balance discussion. Care to share your thoughts? I'm very interested. So balance is a topic to be discussed between game designers and the top pro players. For the rest of us the team liquid thread is a place to hang out, get hyped , big up your favourite players, cast down the ones you don't like and exclaim over incredible play. By complaining about balance, when you probably don't know anything about the game, in a LR thread, you are just breeding negativity and not saying anything useful at all. There have been numerous occasions when community members spoke up about balance issues in the game that they thought were very obvious (Hellbat damage output and MSC vision being two obvious ones in HOTS), and these issues weren't acted upon for months at a time. Obviously before they were acted upon, these issues influenced the way series and tournaments played out. Would your position be that the speed with which Blizzard addresses balance issues isn't influenced whatsoever by community feedback? Or would you say that a positive mood in LR threads is more important than achieving ideal balance as quickly as possible? (Or maybe there's a third option I'm missing)
LR thread isn't the place to discuss balance at all.
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your Country52797 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:54 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:51 pure.Wasted wrote:On June 23 2014 12:46 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:43 pure.Wasted wrote:On June 23 2014 12:41 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:35 iS.Mike wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 iS.Mike wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 Cheren wrote:On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote:
Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine. What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch. The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this. That being said, what patch are you talking about? It seems that the results have been consistent regardless. But you're not balance whining right? That is good to know And you're not avoiding the issue? I have an issue with balance whine because it is fucking stupid I'm working on a blog post about balance discussion. Care to share your thoughts? I'm very interested. So balance is a topic to be discussed between game designers and the top pro players. For the rest of us the team liquid thread is a place to hang out, get hyped , big up your favourite players, cast down the ones you don't like and exclaim over incredible play. By complaining about balance, when you probably don't know anything about the game, in a LR thread, you are just breeding negativity and not saying anything useful at all. There have been numerous occasions when community members spoke up about balance issues in the game that they thought were very obvious (Hellbat damage output and MSC vision being two obvious ones in HOTS), and these issues weren't acted upon for months at a time. Obviously before they were acted upon, these issues influenced the way series and tournaments played out. Would your position be that the speed with which Blizzard addresses balance issues isn't influenced whatsoever by community feedback? Or would you say that a positive mood in LR threads is more important than achieving ideal balance as quickly as possible? (Or maybe there's a third option I'm missing) LR thread isn't the place to discuss balance at all.
Yeah there's a thread for it
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/255254-designated-balance-discussion-thread
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On June 23 2014 12:54 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:51 pure.Wasted wrote:On June 23 2014 12:46 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:43 pure.Wasted wrote:On June 23 2014 12:41 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:35 iS.Mike wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 iS.Mike wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 Cheren wrote:On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote:
Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine. What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch. The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this. That being said, what patch are you talking about? It seems that the results have been consistent regardless. But you're not balance whining right? That is good to know And you're not avoiding the issue? I have an issue with balance whine because it is fucking stupid I'm working on a blog post about balance discussion. Care to share your thoughts? I'm very interested. So balance is a topic to be discussed between game designers and the top pro players. For the rest of us the team liquid thread is a place to hang out, get hyped , big up your favourite players, cast down the ones you don't like and exclaim over incredible play. By complaining about balance, when you probably don't know anything about the game, in a LR thread, you are just breeding negativity and not saying anything useful at all. There have been numerous occasions when community members spoke up about balance issues in the game that they thought were very obvious (Hellbat damage output and MSC vision being two obvious ones in HOTS), and these issues weren't acted upon for months at a time. Obviously before they were acted upon, these issues influenced the way series and tournaments played out. Would your position be that the speed with which Blizzard addresses balance issues isn't influenced whatsoever by community feedback? Or would you say that a positive mood in LR threads is more important than achieving ideal balance as quickly as possible? (Or maybe there's a third option I'm missing) LR thread isn't the place to discuss balance at all.
Well, that's fine, but earlier in that post you made it sound like you think that thread shouldn't exist to begin with because it's not a conversation between "game designers and top pro players." So I'm trying to figure out exactly where you stand, that's all!
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On June 23 2014 12:58 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:54 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:51 pure.Wasted wrote:On June 23 2014 12:46 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:43 pure.Wasted wrote:On June 23 2014 12:41 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:35 iS.Mike wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 iS.Mike wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 Cheren wrote:
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What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch. The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this. That being said, what patch are you talking about? It seems that the results have been consistent regardless. But you're not balance whining right? That is good to know And you're not avoiding the issue? I have an issue with balance whine because it is fucking stupid I'm working on a blog post about balance discussion. Care to share your thoughts? I'm very interested. So balance is a topic to be discussed between game designers and the top pro players. For the rest of us the team liquid thread is a place to hang out, get hyped , big up your favourite players, cast down the ones you don't like and exclaim over incredible play. By complaining about balance, when you probably don't know anything about the game, in a LR thread, you are just breeding negativity and not saying anything useful at all. There have been numerous occasions when community members spoke up about balance issues in the game that they thought were very obvious (Hellbat damage output and MSC vision being two obvious ones in HOTS), and these issues weren't acted upon for months at a time. Obviously before they were acted upon, these issues influenced the way series and tournaments played out. Would your position be that the speed with which Blizzard addresses balance issues isn't influenced whatsoever by community feedback? Or would you say that a positive mood in LR threads is more important than achieving ideal balance as quickly as possible? (Or maybe there's a third option I'm missing) LR thread isn't the place to discuss balance at all. Well, that's fine, but earlier in that post you made it sound like you think that thread shouldn't exist to begin with because it's not a conversation between "game designers and top pro players." So I'm trying to figure out exactly where you stand, that's all!
The thread is a good place for people to vent without getting banned I guess.
I don't think that it influences the balance team at all and rightfully so
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On June 23 2014 13:00 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:58 pure.Wasted wrote:On June 23 2014 12:54 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:51 pure.Wasted wrote:On June 23 2014 12:46 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:43 pure.Wasted wrote:On June 23 2014 12:41 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:35 iS.Mike wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 iS.Mike wrote:
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The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this.
That being said, what patch are you talking about? It seems that the results have been consistent regardless. But you're not balance whining right? That is good to know And you're not avoiding the issue? I have an issue with balance whine because it is fucking stupid I'm working on a blog post about balance discussion. Care to share your thoughts? I'm very interested. So balance is a topic to be discussed between game designers and the top pro players. For the rest of us the team liquid thread is a place to hang out, get hyped , big up your favourite players, cast down the ones you don't like and exclaim over incredible play. By complaining about balance, when you probably don't know anything about the game, in a LR thread, you are just breeding negativity and not saying anything useful at all. There have been numerous occasions when community members spoke up about balance issues in the game that they thought were very obvious (Hellbat damage output and MSC vision being two obvious ones in HOTS), and these issues weren't acted upon for months at a time. Obviously before they were acted upon, these issues influenced the way series and tournaments played out. Would your position be that the speed with which Blizzard addresses balance issues isn't influenced whatsoever by community feedback? Or would you say that a positive mood in LR threads is more important than achieving ideal balance as quickly as possible? (Or maybe there's a third option I'm missing) LR thread isn't the place to discuss balance at all. Well, that's fine, but earlier in that post you made it sound like you think that thread shouldn't exist to begin with because it's not a conversation between "game designers and top pro players." So I'm trying to figure out exactly where you stand, that's all! The thread is a good place for people to vent without getting banned I guess. I don't think that it influences the balance team at all and rightfully so
OK, thanks. 
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On June 23 2014 13:00 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:58 pure.Wasted wrote:On June 23 2014 12:54 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:51 pure.Wasted wrote:On June 23 2014 12:46 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:43 pure.Wasted wrote:On June 23 2014 12:41 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:35 iS.Mike wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 KelsierSC wrote:On June 23 2014 12:34 iS.Mike wrote:
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The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this.
That being said, what patch are you talking about? It seems that the results have been consistent regardless. But you're not balance whining right? That is good to know And you're not avoiding the issue? I have an issue with balance whine because it is fucking stupid I'm working on a blog post about balance discussion. Care to share your thoughts? I'm very interested. So balance is a topic to be discussed between game designers and the top pro players. For the rest of us the team liquid thread is a place to hang out, get hyped , big up your favourite players, cast down the ones you don't like and exclaim over incredible play. By complaining about balance, when you probably don't know anything about the game, in a LR thread, you are just breeding negativity and not saying anything useful at all. There have been numerous occasions when community members spoke up about balance issues in the game that they thought were very obvious (Hellbat damage output and MSC vision being two obvious ones in HOTS), and these issues weren't acted upon for months at a time. Obviously before they were acted upon, these issues influenced the way series and tournaments played out. Would your position be that the speed with which Blizzard addresses balance issues isn't influenced whatsoever by community feedback? Or would you say that a positive mood in LR threads is more important than achieving ideal balance as quickly as possible? (Or maybe there's a third option I'm missing) LR thread isn't the place to discuss balance at all. Well, that's fine, but earlier in that post you made it sound like you think that thread shouldn't exist to begin with because it's not a conversation between "game designers and top pro players." So I'm trying to figure out exactly where you stand, that's all! The thread is a good place for people to vent without getting banned I guess. I don't think that it influences the balance team at all and rightfully so
I think the MSC vision nerf was originally a community suggestion, don't know if it was here or on reddit.
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grats to trap, he performed very well and was not expected to do nearly this well. Scarlett probably had the best performance. Her beating DRG with Protoss is actually expected, many undeads switched to orc in WC3 instead of mirror because a skilled player can easily abuse a better race and win. I personally would never play in a tournament that does not allow racing or support one so props to MLG in this case.
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On June 23 2014 13:17 duckk wrote:
grats to trap, he performed very well and was not expected to do nearly this well. Scarlett probably had the best performance. Her beating DRG with Protoss is actually expected, many undeads switched to orc in WC3 instead of mirror because a skilled player can easily abuse a better race and win. I personally would never play in a tournament that does not allow racing or support one so props to MLG in this case.
One player would switch to orc, prompting the other to switch to night elf, "forcing" the other player to switch back to Undead and thus starting the cycle all over again. It was quite a hilarious ordeal.
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On June 23 2014 13:31 KingofGods wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 13:17 duckk wrote:
grats to trap, he performed very well and was not expected to do nearly this well. Scarlett probably had the best performance. Her beating DRG with Protoss is actually expected, many undeads switched to orc in WC3 instead of mirror because a skilled player can easily abuse a better race and win. I personally would never play in a tournament that does not allow racing or support one so props to MLG in this case. One player would switch to orc, prompting the other to switch to night elf, "forcing" the other player to switch back to Undead and thus starting the cycle all over again. It was quite a hilarious ordeal.
Well any race was considered strong vs undead, but I get your point. Tournaments just simply have/add a rule that says if this occurs they both say the race they will be playing to the admin, and problem solved pretty much I believe?
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Had to leave after the first Bo3 and these are sad results to come to =(. Ah well, the games I saw of Trap were definitely great and Polt look shaky (TvZ) so I didn't have him as the favorite going into this MLG.
Anyways, thanks MLG for running SC2 again and you LR posters for the usual banter.
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Man, bummed that Polt lost. Kudos to Trap though, he is a solid player. Kespa Protosses really showing the way in HOTS.
How were the games, TL? Reddit tells me that Trap played very well and deserved the win.
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On June 23 2014 13:31 KingofGods wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 13:17 duckk wrote:
grats to trap, he performed very well and was not expected to do nearly this well. Scarlett probably had the best performance. Her beating DRG with Protoss is actually expected, many undeads switched to orc in WC3 instead of mirror because a skilled player can easily abuse a better race and win. I personally would never play in a tournament that does not allow racing or support one so props to MLG in this case. One player would switch to orc, prompting the other to switch to night elf, "forcing" the other player to switch back to Undead and thus starting the cycle all over again. It was quite a hilarious ordeal.
It's the cycle of imba.
Orc > UD
NE > Orc
Nothing counters Noobelf unfortunately.
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On June 23 2014 13:40 duckk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 13:31 KingofGods wrote:On June 23 2014 13:17 duckk wrote:
grats to trap, he performed very well and was not expected to do nearly this well. Scarlett probably had the best performance. Her beating DRG with Protoss is actually expected, many undeads switched to orc in WC3 instead of mirror because a skilled player can easily abuse a better race and win. I personally would never play in a tournament that does not allow racing or support one so props to MLG in this case. One player would switch to orc, prompting the other to switch to night elf, "forcing" the other player to switch back to Undead and thus starting the cycle all over again. It was quite a hilarious ordeal. Well any race was considered strong vs undead, but I get your point. Tournaments just simply have/add a rule that says if this occurs they both say the race they will be playing to the admin, and problem solved pretty much I believe?
Race picking is simply abusing the fact that one race is favoured over another, whether real or perceived. We should be focusing on eliminating this imbalance instead of trying to find ways of making race picking a legitimate strategy.
This is really what people are upset about. Protoss may or may not actually be better than zerg. But the fact that Scarlett picked it against DRG shows that she at least believes it to be so and she is not the only pro player to believe protoss is overpowered.
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On June 23 2014 14:25 Emerson_H wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 13:31 KingofGods wrote:On June 23 2014 13:17 duckk wrote:
grats to trap, he performed very well and was not expected to do nearly this well. Scarlett probably had the best performance. Her beating DRG with Protoss is actually expected, many undeads switched to orc in WC3 instead of mirror because a skilled player can easily abuse a better race and win. I personally would never play in a tournament that does not allow racing or support one so props to MLG in this case. One player would switch to orc, prompting the other to switch to night elf, "forcing" the other player to switch back to Undead and thus starting the cycle all over again. It was quite a hilarious ordeal. It's the cycle of imba. Orc > UD NE > Orc Nothing counters Noobelf unfortunately.
No race was considered favoured over night elf, but undead vs. nightelf was considered quite balanced.
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