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Of course, but I think that the presence of the alpha that is Shellshock dominated the competition so much that they gave up. I'm glad to see that the newest generation in the TL ecosystem is doing well.
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Of course, but I think that the presence of the alpha that is Shellshock dominated the competition so much that they gave up. I'm glad to see that the newest generation in the TL ecosystem is doing well. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote: Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now? Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine. Statistically it's very minor. It's such minor imbalance (if there is imbalance), that it can easily be fixed by manipulating the playing maps. If you look at the distributions in the Ro16 or Ro32, overall, they are all very even between tournaments. | ||
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:17 lichter wrote: A lot of the people complaining are mad because a.) they don't know Trap; b.) Trap isn't Terran; or c.) they were fans of the players he beat. and to be fair, most players don't really get a chance to develop a public personality until after they have won their first championship and get a little exposure. | ||
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kaykoose
United States2302 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:17 Solar424 wrote: Fun fact: the last 4 finals of Premier Tournaments have ended a combined 14-0 in favor of the winner. DH Bucharest: Life 3-0 Impact HSC IX: Taeja 4-0 MC DH Summer: Taeja 3-0 HerO MLG: Trap 4-0 Polt Does HSC really count as a premier? Is there a definition for premier vs major? Does a tournament just need to offer WCS points to be a premier? | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:20 AndAgain wrote: Probably more satisfied than right now. I didn't say anything about "should." Just saying how it is. Anyway, a lot of players with not-really-personalities have some other trait that makes them noticeable, like reaching 3 GSL finals in a row or being the only terran in the RO8 twice. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:19 KelsierSC wrote: Well I was never actually going to do it. Dont matter Wow, can't believe I missed that sarcasm, woops! hah | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote: Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now? Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine. Tournaments like these aren't very indicative of balance. None of the top players are present. The only Kespa player that still plays in WCS Korea/Proleague ended up winning. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote: Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now? Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine. PROTOSS SUCKS Note this is just an observation about vortex, not a balance whine. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:22 kaykoose wrote: Does HSC really count as a premier? Is there a definition for premier vs major? Does a tournament just need to offer WCS points to be a premier? Liquipedia decided on a definition a long while back, and most people seem to stick to it. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:22 kaykoose wrote: Does HSC really count as a premier? Is there a definition for premier vs major? Does a tournament just need to offer WCS points to be a premier? A lot of how premier an event is has to do with how much community prestige it has. HSC gets lots of attention, and thus even if it's prize pool isn't the greatest, it definitely is a premier event in the SC2 sphere. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: Statistically it's very minor. It's such minor imbalance (if there is imbalance), that it can easily be fixed by manipulating the playing maps. If you look at the distributions in the Ro16 or Ro32, overall, they are all very even between tournaments. I dunno Kev | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:24 FiWiFaKi wrote: A lot of how premier an event is has to do with how much community prestige it has. HSC gets lots of attention, and thus even if it's prize pool isn't the greatest, it definitely is a premier event in the SC2 sphere. you realize that HSC has the same prizepool that IEM or DreamHack right? | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote: Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now? Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine. What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:20 AndAgain wrote: Probably more satisfied than right now. I didn't say anything about "should." Just saying how it is. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're not just saying "nobody cares about Koreans," which is a very stupid thing to say and observably untrue, because a hell of a lot more foreigners tune in for GSL than Koreans tune in for MLG. So please feel free to clarify what it is you meant that was less silly than what it looked like you meant. | ||
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kaykoose
United States2302 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Liquipedia decided on a definition a long while back, and most people seem to stick to it. On June 23 2014 12:24 FiWiFaKi wrote: A lot of how premier an event is has to do with how much community prestige it has. HSC gets lots of attention, and thus even if it's prize pool isn't the greatest, it definitely is a premier event in the SC2 sphere. so no concrete rule on premier vs major? That's interesting. Thanks guys | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:27 kaykoose wrote: so no concrete rule on premier vs major? That's interesting. Thanks guys Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. From liquipedia So no fine line, no | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:27 kaykoose wrote: so no concrete rule on premier vs major? That's interesting. Thanks guys Nope, for example TSL3/TSL4 for a premier event even though it was all online (well TSL3 had offline finals) | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On June 23 2014 12:26 Yhamm wrote: you realize that HSC has the same prizepool that IEM or DreamHack right? Hmm, definitely underestimated it, I was under the impression it was $10k-$15k, my bad. | ||
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