On June 23 2014 12:17 Solar424 wrote: Fun fact: the last 4 finals of Premier Tournaments have ended a combined 14-0 in favor of the winner. DH Bucharest: Life 3-0 Impact HSC IX: Taeja 4-0 MC DH Summer: Taeja 3-0 HerO MLG: Trap 4-0 Polt
Does HSC really count as a premier? Is there a definition for premier vs major? Does a tournament just need to offer WCS points to be a premier?
A lot of how premier an event is has to do with how much community prestige it has. HSC gets lots of attention, and thus even if it's prize pool isn't the greatest, it definitely is a premier event in the SC2 sphere.
you realize that HSC has the same prizepool that IEM or DreamHack right?
Hmm, definitely underestimated it, I was under the impression it was $10k-$15k, my bad.
Polt met his natural enemy . "Yes, you can snipe nexus but you have to pay dearly for that" Starting from pool, then drop to loser bracket and made all the way to the top. Great run from Trap
Casters are ookay I think. Nathanias tends to play safe when commentating (not making prediction, step back when challenged) making his casting less interesting, but I think it's basically because he feels like the new kid between veterans in casting, so that made him slightly less confident.
On June 23 2014 12:17 Solar424 wrote: Fun fact: the last 4 finals of Premier Tournaments have ended a combined 14-0 in favor of the winner. DH Bucharest: Life 3-0 Impact HSC IX: Taeja 4-0 MC DH Summer: Taeja 3-0 HerO MLG: Trap 4-0 Polt
Does HSC really count as a premier? Is there a definition for premier vs major? Does a tournament just need to offer WCS points to be a premier?
Liquipedia decided on a definition a long while back, and most people seem to stick to it.
On June 23 2014 12:17 Solar424 wrote: Fun fact: the last 4 finals of Premier Tournaments have ended a combined 14-0 in favor of the winner. DH Bucharest: Life 3-0 Impact HSC IX: Taeja 4-0 MC DH Summer: Taeja 3-0 HerO MLG: Trap 4-0 Polt
Does HSC really count as a premier? Is there a definition for premier vs major? Does a tournament just need to offer WCS points to be a premier?
A lot of how premier an event is has to do with how much community prestige it has. HSC gets lots of attention, and thus even if it's prize pool isn't the greatest, it definitely is a premier event in the SC2 sphere.
so no concrete rule on premier vs major? That's interesting. Thanks guys
Premiere: ~20000$ prize pool mini, need a certain amount of players with a pretty high quality of level, offline finals (hence why fragbite was not a premier) Major: +5000$, less player, less quality
On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote: Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine.
What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch.
The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this.
That being said, what patch are you talking about? The results have been consistent regardless.
On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote: Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine.
What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch.
The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this.
That being said, what patch are you talking about? It seems that the results have been consistent regardless.
On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote: Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine.
What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch.
The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this.
That being said, what patch are you talking about? It seems that the results have been consistent regardless.
On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote: Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine.
What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch.
The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this.
That being said, what patch are you talking about? It seems that the results have been consistent regardless.
But you're not balance whining right?
That is good to know
And you're not avoiding the issue?
What issue? You're not balance whining so there's no issue is there?
People complain Korean protosses who play in EU or NA were mostly cheesers / all in, like stardust, MC, San, etc etc. Now we have real quality protoss player who plays solidly in all counts and people still complain because he won
Damn that was a solid play by Trap. I was wishing for Polt Scarlett final, to create the ultimate final drama. Oh well ...
On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote: Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine.
What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch.
The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this.
That being said, what patch are you talking about? It seems that the results have been consistent regardless.
But you're not balance whining right?
That is good to know
Theoretically, at some point it stops being balance whine and becomes "balance stating the very obvious."
Like, if Zerglings are given 10,000 HP, it can't still be balance whine to point out that that is... egregious. Or 9,000. Or 8,000... just gotta find that sweet spot.
On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote: Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine.
What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch.
The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this.
That being said, what patch are you talking about? The results have been consistent regardless.
The fuck? Protoss have not been winning more than Zerg since the patch, we've seen pretty even results between toss and zerg with terran behind both.
Zerg won Seatstory, DH Bucharest, and Lone Star Clash, Terran won DH Summer and Homestory, Protoss won IEM and this. Not counting GSL or WCS since most of the games were pre-patch.
The results have not been consistent, Protoss went from winning literally every tournament to winning two tournaments 3 months apart from each other.
On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote: Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine.
What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch.
The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this.
That being said, what patch are you talking about? The results have been consistent regardless.
The fuck? Protoss have not been winning more than Zerg since the patch, we've seen pretty even results between toss and zerg with terran behind both.
Zerg won Seatstory, DH Bucharest, and Lone Star Clash, Taeja won DH Summer and Homestory, Protoss won IEM and this. Not counting GSL or WCS since most of the games were pre-patch.
On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote: Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine.
What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch.
The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this.
That being said, what patch are you talking about? It seems that the results have been consistent regardless.
But you're not balance whining right?
That is good to know
And you're not avoiding the issue?
I have an issue with balance whine because it is fucking stupid
but you are not complaining about balance right so there is no problem.
On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote: Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine.
What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch.
The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this.
That being said, what patch are you talking about? It seems that the results have been consistent regardless.
But you're not balance whining right?
That is good to know
And you're not avoiding the issue?
I have an issue with balance whine because it is fucking stupid
I'm working on a blog post about balance discussion. Care to share your thoughts? I'm very interested.
On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote: Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine.
What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch.
The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this.
That being said, what patch are you talking about? The results have been consistent regardless.
The fuck? Protoss have not been winning more than Zerg since the patch, we've seen pretty even results between toss and zerg with terran behind both.
Zerg won Seatstory, DH Bucharest, and Lone Star Clash, Taeja won DH Summer and Homestory, Protoss won IEM and this. Not counting GSL or WCS since most of the games were pre-patch.
On June 23 2014 12:17 iS.Mike wrote: Protoss has won 8 out of 12 of the premier tournaments in 2014 and obtained 15 out of 24 of the top 2 finishes in those tournaments. Even at the end of Wings of Liberty, zerg didn't have this winning percentage. Someone care to explain these results without citing relative race strengths or is it necessary to address balance now?
Note this is just a question made about my observations, not a balance whine.
What's the point of this post? There was a very major patch, it's absurd to combine the results from before and after the patch.
The point is that every protoss who wins nowadays is hailed as one of the best, but there seems to be a trend where protoss are winning more often than other races. Can you honestly continue to say each and every protoss who wins is simply better than their opponent? Stardust himself admitted that protoss is better than zerg at the moment, and Scarlett actually beat DRG with her protoss offrace. It seems rather absurb that there isn't something being done to address this.
That being said, what patch are you talking about? It seems that the results have been consistent regardless.
But you're not balance whining right?
That is good to know
And you're not avoiding the issue?
I have an issue with balance whine because it is fucking stupid
but you are not complaining about balance right so there is no problem.
You do realize that even if I'm not complaining about balance, you still haven't addressed the content of my post which is the 66% protoss winning percentage in premier events and the >50% top 2 finish of protosses in those events. You don't need to be so on guard about everything you perceive to be balance whine. Being aware of these statistics and being able to attribute them to external factors such as competition quality or race distribution is actually healthy for the state of sc2 and certainly more responsible than shutting down every time someone mentions balance.
EPT
. "Yes, you can snipe nexus but you have to pay dearly for that"
