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On June 23 2014 14:35 KingofGods wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 13:40 duckk wrote:On June 23 2014 13:31 KingofGods wrote:On June 23 2014 13:17 duckk wrote:
grats to trap, he performed very well and was not expected to do nearly this well. Scarlett probably had the best performance. Her beating DRG with Protoss is actually expected, many undeads switched to orc in WC3 instead of mirror because a skilled player can easily abuse a better race and win. I personally would never play in a tournament that does not allow racing or support one so props to MLG in this case. One player would switch to orc, prompting the other to switch to night elf, "forcing" the other player to switch back to Undead and thus starting the cycle all over again. It was quite a hilarious ordeal. Well any race was considered strong vs undead, but I get your point. Tournaments just simply have/add a rule that says if this occurs they both say the race they will be playing to the admin, and problem solved pretty much I believe? Race picking is simply abusing the fact that one race is favoured over another, whether real or perceived. We should be focusing on eliminating this imbalance instead of trying to find ways of making race picking a legitimate strategy. This is really what people are upset about. Protoss may or may not actually be better than zerg. But the fact that Scarlett picked it against DRG shows that she at least believes it to be so and she is not the only pro player to believe protoss is overpowered.
People are unnecessarily easily upset. Scarlett chose Protoss against DRG because she felt that playing PvZ was easier than playing ZvZ especially as a one of where she benefitted from her opponent being unprepared. MorroW once avoided the same matchup by race-picking terran because he felt his TvZ was better than his ZvZ. You'll also notice that she didn't play Protoss in all her other games against Zerg. So with all these things weighted in saying that Scarlett believes that protoss is overpowered based on the evidence of that one game is quite a stretch.
As for race picking, I don't believe it'll ever become as prevalent in SCII as WC3, but tournaments can easily organize systems to prevent the rock-paper-scissors nature of the race switching. For example, they could say that players have to play with their declared race for the first game, and for the next games the winner picks their race first followed by the loser.
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On June 23 2014 14:22 aZealot wrote:
Man, bummed that Polt lost. Kudos to Trap though, he is a solid player. Kespa Protosses really showing the way in HOTS.
How were the games, TL? Reddit tells me that Trap played very well and deserved the win.
Polt and Trap played well. Trap's style hard countered Polt similar to how Classic hard countered Maru in ro4, so the results aren't really indicative of the level of play from both sides.
Polt vs. Violet was a great series, too. I don't think it was as one-sided for Polt as people were saying.
I didn't catch most of Bomber/Scarlett's games so I can't comment on those. Bomber vs. Hyun might have been good but it was ruined by the (semi-understandably) shitty late night casting.
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On June 23 2014 14:38 KingofGods wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 14:25 Emerson_H wrote:On June 23 2014 13:31 KingofGods wrote:On June 23 2014 13:17 duckk wrote:
grats to trap, he performed very well and was not expected to do nearly this well. Scarlett probably had the best performance. Her beating DRG with Protoss is actually expected, many undeads switched to orc in WC3 instead of mirror because a skilled player can easily abuse a better race and win. I personally would never play in a tournament that does not allow racing or support one so props to MLG in this case. One player would switch to orc, prompting the other to switch to night elf, "forcing" the other player to switch back to Undead and thus starting the cycle all over again. It was quite a hilarious ordeal. It's the cycle of imba. Orc > UD NE > Orc Nothing counters Noobelf unfortunately. No race was considered favoured over night elf, but undead vs. nightelf was considered quite balanced.
Moon was favoured over NE
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Actually Moon's NE vs. NE was probably his worst matchup.
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On June 23 2014 14:56 KingofGods wrote:
Actually Moon's NE vs. NE was probably his worst matchup.
I have recently practiced with moon for his match vs cechi before he retired, and UD was his worst matchup according to him. Also, Elf was heavily favored vs undead.
While I agree we should focus on eliminating the imbalance, blizzard has proven in warcraft3 that they are aware of what is imbalanced and refuse to change it (blademaster most obvious example. 73/27 win rate in orc vs ud in pro matches.) If i can offrace protoss and beat any top 50 korean zerg that I would lose to in ZvZ why should I not be able to? If Protoss is balanced than all me doing by picking that race is giving them an advantage since I have not practiced with that race.
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Let me get this right;
- every other major tourney has vods where you can skip to anywhere you want , EXCEPT MLG, they expect you to sit thru every game ?
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On June 23 2014 12:01 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:00 chipmonklord17 wrote:On June 23 2014 11:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:
AND THE CROWD GOES MILD!!! Come on TB, his 5 fans are probably crying with joy I dont see them posting, I think they all decided sleeping was better than watching Trap.
Oh man I've been found out. D:
I just can't stay up past 1pm. It fucks me up too much, my sleep schedule is destroyed for weeks when I do. Really happy to see Trap took the tournament, I'll have to check out the vods. :D ... Where are the vods? Are there even vods? Hmm.
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On June 23 2014 16:18 Parcelleus wrote:
Let me get this right;
- every other major tourney has vods where you can skip to anywhere you want , EXCEPT MLG, they expect you to sit thru every game ?
They're uploading vods on their youtube channel now. Whatever is happening on their website is just a rebroadcast.
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These finals ... these games ... it was a trap!
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Trap's injustice won me over last night. Hopefully I wills see more of him and the legion of doom.
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LoL, I would definately stay and pay my respects even if a guy I do not like would've won. So disappointing to hear that the crowd just left.
Trap's to good for them, he deserves champion so much!
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I like how Scarlett, while looking very impressive, single-handedly destroyed the hope that a Zerg might win this tournament ;D
Edit: Oh wtf, Scarlett won vs DRG with Protoss? Wtf is that haha. I don't really know how I feel about this, but not really good, that's for sure.
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On June 23 2014 20:22 ZenithM wrote:
I like how Scarlett, while looking very impressive, single-handedly destroyed the hope that a Zerg might win this tournament ;D
ironically playing protoss, lol
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On June 23 2014 17:50 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 16:18 Parcelleus wrote:
Let me get this right;
- every other major tourney has vods where you can skip to anywhere you want , EXCEPT MLG, they expect you to sit thru every game ?
They're uploading vods on their youtube channel now. Whatever is happening on their website is just a rebroadcast.
Thanks, they uploaded the pool play games, nothing from championship day has showed up. Any idea when they will be uploaded ?
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On June 23 2014 20:22 ZenithM wrote:
I like how Scarlett, while looking very impressive, single-handedly destroyed the hope that a Zerg might win this tournament ;D
Edit: Oh wtf, Scarlett won vs DRG with Protoss? Wtf is that haha. I don't really know how I feel about this, but not really good, that's for sure.
She said she practiced the build, so it's not like she went in with nothing, + DRG didn't know what was coming
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BOOM GOES THE TRAP !
(ill let myself out...)
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On June 23 2014 22:54 Jer99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 20:22 ZenithM wrote:
I like how Scarlett, while looking very impressive, single-handedly destroyed the hope that a Zerg might win this tournament ;D
Edit: Oh wtf, Scarlett won vs DRG with Protoss? Wtf is that haha. I don't really know how I feel about this, but not really good, that's for sure. She said she practiced the build, so it's not like she went in with nothing, + DRG didn't know what was coming
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Really dissapointing to see mlg having only bo3 in late matches.. It was really possible for scarlet to bounce back vs trap. Might have won whole tournament!
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