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Kerence
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1817 Posts
June 16 2014 22:38 GMT
#3041
On June 17 2014 07:35 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 07:30 Dodgin wrote:
On June 17 2014 07:29 stuchiu wrote:
With kespa being the only Korean teams left, there is no incentive for them to fly players out. Which is why you only see Koreans that win qualifiers go out and some of the Ex-ESF teams cause they still feel obligated to do it.


the incentive is winning money, but if they don't like to win money that's fine I guess.


10K for winning. 2K for airfare per player. Tournament style their players aren't used to.

Do the math.

Not to mention most of the Kespa teams are sponsored by South Korean companies, so there's not much return for the sponsors either.
I am here in the shadows.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 16 2014 22:38 GMT
#3042
On June 17 2014 07:35 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 07:30 Dodgin wrote:
On June 17 2014 07:29 stuchiu wrote:
With kespa being the only Korean teams left, there is no incentive for them to fly players out. Which is why you only see Koreans that win qualifiers go out and some of the Ex-ESF teams cause they still feel obligated to do it.


the incentive is winning money, but if they don't like to win money that's fine I guess.


10K for winning. 2K for airfare per player. Tournament style their players aren't used to.

Do the math.


If these players are that good that they would beat Taeja then they should be going into it expecting to win and easily making back the travel costs. A top 4 placement also qualifies them for DHW where the prize pool is quite large.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
June 16 2014 22:38 GMT
#3043
On June 17 2014 07:37 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:


E-Sport SM sc2 finals had bigger crowd than DH sc2. Looks like we found where our crowd went

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/E-Sport_SM_2013-2014/Finals#Playoffs
Zanster won more money than TaeJa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 16 2014 22:39 GMT
#3044
On June 17 2014 07:36 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 07:30 Dodgin wrote:
On June 17 2014 07:29 stuchiu wrote:
With kespa being the only Korean teams left, there is no incentive for them to fly players out. Which is why you only see Koreans that win qualifiers go out and some of the Ex-ESF teams cause they still feel obligated to do it.


the incentive is winning money, but if they don't like to win money that's fine I guess.


The money doesn't go back to the teams. So they don't care. Players don't have rights.


This is not necessarily true, teams have been known to take cuts of OSL/MSL prizemoney in the past.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 16 2014 22:39 GMT
#3045
On June 17 2014 07:38 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 07:35 pure.Wasted wrote:
On June 17 2014 07:30 Dodgin wrote:
On June 17 2014 07:29 stuchiu wrote:
With kespa being the only Korean teams left, there is no incentive for them to fly players out. Which is why you only see Koreans that win qualifiers go out and some of the Ex-ESF teams cause they still feel obligated to do it.


the incentive is winning money, but if they don't like to win money that's fine I guess.


10K for winning. 2K for airfare per player. Tournament style their players aren't used to.

Do the math.


If these players are that good that they would beat Taeja then they should be going into it expecting to win and easily making back the travel costs. A top 4 placement also qualifies them for DHW where the prize pool is quite large.


I can name 3 players crazy enough to do that. Naniwa, Duckdeok and Genius.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 16 2014 22:40 GMT
#3046
On June 17 2014 07:39 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 07:36 stuchiu wrote:
On June 17 2014 07:30 Dodgin wrote:
On June 17 2014 07:29 stuchiu wrote:
With kespa being the only Korean teams left, there is no incentive for them to fly players out. Which is why you only see Koreans that win qualifiers go out and some of the Ex-ESF teams cause they still feel obligated to do it.


the incentive is winning money, but if they don't like to win money that's fine I guess.


The money doesn't go back to the teams. So they don't care. Players don't have rights.


This is not necessarily true, teams have been known to take cuts of OSL/MSL prizemoney in the past.


Its just a losing proposition. Most Kespa players fail when they go out to these lans.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 16 2014 22:41 GMT
#3047
If we like to believe that sc2 results are not volatile. which they clearly aren't as proven by Taeja, then It's not an unrealistic expectation to go into it saying " I'm going to win " for a player like Maru, Soulkey or Parting.
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-16 22:43:52
June 16 2014 22:41 GMT
#3048
On June 17 2014 07:38 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 07:37 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA5WFA6STD8

E-Sport SM sc2 finals had bigger crowd than DH sc2. Looks like we found where our crowd went

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/E-Sport_SM_2013-2014/Finals#Playoffs
Zanster won more money than TaeJa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean he did have to beat Thorzain so it's fair.
why even
Abominous
Profile Joined March 2013
Croatia1625 Posts
June 16 2014 22:42 GMT
#3049
How were TaeJa vs JD games? Nothing like a week ago?
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 16 2014 22:44 GMT
#3050
On June 17 2014 07:41 Dodgin wrote:
If we like to believe that sc2 results are not volatile. which they clearly aren't as proven by Taeja, then It's not an unrealistic expectation to go into it saying " I'm going to win " for a player like Maru, Soulkey or Parting.


Maru is busy trying to squeeze in practice for GSL. From what I read of his interview, he was only allowed to practice for his match against Soulkey for 1 day. And I assume its the same for the others. They just practice for PL all day because that's what they are paid to do.
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malady
Profile Joined November 2010
United States600 Posts
June 16 2014 22:44 GMT
#3051
what a boring dream hack >_<
dumchu
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
June 16 2014 22:45 GMT
#3052
On June 17 2014 07:38 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 07:35 pure.Wasted wrote:
On June 17 2014 07:30 Dodgin wrote:
On June 17 2014 07:29 stuchiu wrote:
With kespa being the only Korean teams left, there is no incentive for them to fly players out. Which is why you only see Koreans that win qualifiers go out and some of the Ex-ESF teams cause they still feel obligated to do it.


the incentive is winning money, but if they don't like to win money that's fine I guess.


10K for winning. 2K for airfare per player. Tournament style their players aren't used to.

Do the math.


If these players are that good that they would beat Taeja then they should be going into it expecting to win and easily making back the travel costs. A top 4 placement also qualifies them for DHW where the prize pool is quite large.


You're talking about some mythical theoretical SC2 where the better player always comes out on top. That SC2 doesn't actually exist. The one that exists allows shitty players to beat good players all the time, through better preparation, build order wins, cheeses, and dare I say it sometimes even imbalance. If Zest isn't guaranteed to beat TRUE and Maru isn't guaranteed to beat Effort, nobody in the universe is ever "guaranteed" to beat Taeja. Especially not on his home turf.

That aside, if the Kespa teams do start sending their players there, foreign tournaments will just turn into another Code S, except one where they have to pay a $2k tax per head for participating. The first teams to do it MIGHT (see earlier paragraph) make some money, but that won't last long. I'd love to see this happen, I don't like foreign players at all, but Korean teams have nothing at all to gain in the longterm.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
June 16 2014 22:45 GMT
#3053
On June 17 2014 07:44 malady wrote:
what a boring dream hack >_<

It was kind of interesting until everyone realized that no one could beat Taeja.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
June 16 2014 22:46 GMT
#3054
Wowowo What.
YLE showed Dreamhack grandfinals live in TV and I missed it. Looks like even casters didnt know it :O
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
June 16 2014 22:46 GMT
#3055
On June 17 2014 07:38 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 07:37 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA5WFA6STD8

E-Sport SM sc2 finals had bigger crowd than DH sc2. Looks like we found where our crowd went

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/E-Sport_SM_2013-2014/Finals#Playoffs
Zanster won more money than TaeJa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol wtf Zanster the next Xenocider
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 16 2014 22:46 GMT
#3056
Basically what I'm saying is is that Kespa the organization generally have no reason to send their players to foreign lans. They only send them if one of their players win the qualifier (like Stork).
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Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
June 16 2014 22:47 GMT
#3057
On June 17 2014 07:36 ArcadeR wrote:
Congratulations... good player, looks like a nice guy...but for some reason his wins don't excite me at all. Don't get it, it's just like that o.O

And why should kespa teams send players out and give them time to prepare for foreign tournaments? If someone wins a qualifier he goes, but don't think that they prepare for it like they do for Proleague matches (or WCS KR matches, if they make it past the group stages). That's why there a players that are doing well in PL and look somewhat-"bad" in individual leagues/foreign tournaments. There is no focus on it.

And that's why those will stay team league giants, but not Starcraft 2 giants. After all, this is not MOBA
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
June 16 2014 22:47 GMT
#3058
On June 17 2014 07:44 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 07:41 Dodgin wrote:
If we like to believe that sc2 results are not volatile. which they clearly aren't as proven by Taeja, then It's not an unrealistic expectation to go into it saying " I'm going to win " for a player like Maru, Soulkey or Parting.


Maru is busy trying to squeeze in practice for GSL. From what I read of his interview, he was only allowed to practice for his match against Soulkey for 1 day. And I assume its the same for the others. They just practice for PL all day because that's what they are paid to do.


1 day? Jesus christ I knew that the Kespa teams prioritize proleague but I didn't realize it was to that extent.
mqto
Profile Joined August 2011
54 Posts
June 16 2014 22:48 GMT
#3059
On June 17 2014 07:37 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA5WFA6STD8

E-Sport SM sc2 finals had bigger crowd than DH sc2. Looks like we found where our crowd went

The crowd was waiting the cs:go final what was after the sc2 final. The crowd was booing in the beginning of every map.
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
June 16 2014 22:49 GMT
#3060
On June 17 2014 07:45 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 07:38 Dodgin wrote:
On June 17 2014 07:35 pure.Wasted wrote:
On June 17 2014 07:30 Dodgin wrote:
On June 17 2014 07:29 stuchiu wrote:
With kespa being the only Korean teams left, there is no incentive for them to fly players out. Which is why you only see Koreans that win qualifiers go out and some of the Ex-ESF teams cause they still feel obligated to do it.


the incentive is winning money, but if they don't like to win money that's fine I guess.


10K for winning. 2K for airfare per player. Tournament style their players aren't used to.

Do the math.


If these players are that good that they would beat Taeja then they should be going into it expecting to win and easily making back the travel costs. A top 4 placement also qualifies them for DHW where the prize pool is quite large.


You're talking about some mythical theoretical SC2 where the better player always comes out on top. That SC2 doesn't actually exist. The one that exists allows shitty players to beat good players all the time, through better preparation, build order wins, cheeses, and dare I say it sometimes even imbalance. If Zest isn't guaranteed to beat TRUE and Maru isn't guaranteed to beat Effort, nobody in the universe is ever "guaranteed" to beat Taeja. Especially not on his home turf.

That aside, if the Kespa teams do start sending their players there, foreign tournaments will just turn into another Code S, except one where they have to pay a $2k tax per head for participating. The first teams to do it MIGHT (see earlier paragraph) make some money, but that won't last long. I'd love to see this happen, I don't like foreign players at all, but Korean teams have nothing at all to gain in the longterm.

You have a strange definition of shitty players, and the only advantage Taeja has over Kespa players in an event like this is being used to flying. He is still just as jet lagged as the rest of them. Also preparation and specific build orders for specific players also come into play far less in tournaments like this than in an event like GSL
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
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