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Kerence
Sweden1817 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:35 pure.Wasted wrote: 10K for winning. 2K for airfare per player. Tournament style their players aren't used to. Do the math. Not to mention most of the Kespa teams are sponsored by South Korean companies, so there's not much return for the sponsors either. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:35 pure.Wasted wrote: 10K for winning. 2K for airfare per player. Tournament style their players aren't used to. Do the math. If these players are that good that they would beat Taeja then they should be going into it expecting to win and easily making back the travel costs. A top 4 placement also qualifies them for DHW where the prize pool is quite large. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:37 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: E-Sport SM sc2 finals had bigger crowd than DH sc2. Looks like we found where our crowd went  http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/E-Sport_SM_2013-2014/Finals#Playoffs Zanster won more money than TaeJa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:36 stuchiu wrote: The money doesn't go back to the teams. So they don't care. Players don't have rights. This is not necessarily true, teams have been known to take cuts of OSL/MSL prizemoney in the past. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:38 Dodgin wrote: If these players are that good that they would beat Taeja then they should be going into it expecting to win and easily making back the travel costs. A top 4 placement also qualifies them for DHW where the prize pool is quite large. I can name 3 players crazy enough to do that. Naniwa, Duckdeok and Genius. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:39 Dodgin wrote: This is not necessarily true, teams have been known to take cuts of OSL/MSL prizemoney in the past. Its just a losing proposition. Most Kespa players fail when they go out to these lans. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:38 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/E-Sport_SM_2013-2014/Finals#Playoffs Zanster won more money than TaeJa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean he did have to beat Thorzain so it's fair. | ||
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Abominous
Croatia1625 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:41 Dodgin wrote: If we like to believe that sc2 results are not volatile. which they clearly aren't as proven by Taeja, then It's not an unrealistic expectation to go into it saying " I'm going to win " for a player like Maru, Soulkey or Parting. Maru is busy trying to squeeze in practice for GSL. From what I read of his interview, he was only allowed to practice for his match against Soulkey for 1 day. And I assume its the same for the others. They just practice for PL all day because that's what they are paid to do. | ||
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malady
United States600 Posts
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:38 Dodgin wrote: If these players are that good that they would beat Taeja then they should be going into it expecting to win and easily making back the travel costs. A top 4 placement also qualifies them for DHW where the prize pool is quite large. You're talking about some mythical theoretical SC2 where the better player always comes out on top. That SC2 doesn't actually exist. The one that exists allows shitty players to beat good players all the time, through better preparation, build order wins, cheeses, and dare I say it sometimes even imbalance. If Zest isn't guaranteed to beat TRUE and Maru isn't guaranteed to beat Effort, nobody in the universe is ever "guaranteed" to beat Taeja. Especially not on his home turf. That aside, if the Kespa teams do start sending their players there, foreign tournaments will just turn into another Code S, except one where they have to pay a $2k tax per head for participating. The first teams to do it MIGHT (see earlier paragraph) make some money, but that won't last long. I'd love to see this happen, I don't like foreign players at all, but Korean teams have nothing at all to gain in the longterm. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:44 malady wrote: what a boring dream hack >_< It was kind of interesting until everyone realized that no one could beat Taeja. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
YLE showed Dreamhack grandfinals live in TV and I missed it. Looks like even casters didnt know it :O | ||
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Yorkie
United States12612 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:38 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/E-Sport_SM_2013-2014/Finals#Playoffs Zanster won more money than TaeJa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lol wtf Zanster the next Xenocider | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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Baroninthetree
United States473 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:36 ArcadeR wrote: Congratulations... good player, looks like a nice guy...but for some reason his wins don't excite me at all. Don't get it, it's just like that o.O And why should kespa teams send players out and give them time to prepare for foreign tournaments? If someone wins a qualifier he goes, but don't think that they prepare for it like they do for Proleague matches (or WCS KR matches, if they make it past the group stages). That's why there a players that are doing well in PL and look somewhat-"bad" in individual leagues/foreign tournaments. There is no focus on it. And that's why those will stay team league giants, but not Starcraft 2 giants. After all, this is not MOBA | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:44 stuchiu wrote: Maru is busy trying to squeeze in practice for GSL. From what I read of his interview, he was only allowed to practice for his match against Soulkey for 1 day. And I assume its the same for the others. They just practice for PL all day because that's what they are paid to do. 1 day? Jesus christ I knew that the Kespa teams prioritize proleague but I didn't realize it was to that extent. | ||
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mqto
54 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:37 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA5WFA6STD8 E-Sport SM sc2 finals had bigger crowd than DH sc2. Looks like we found where our crowd went The crowd was waiting the cs:go final what was after the sc2 final. The crowd was booing in the beginning of every map. | ||
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Yorkie
United States12612 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:45 pure.Wasted wrote: You're talking about some mythical theoretical SC2 where the better player always comes out on top. That SC2 doesn't actually exist. The one that exists allows shitty players to beat good players all the time, through better preparation, build order wins, cheeses, and dare I say it sometimes even imbalance. If Zest isn't guaranteed to beat TRUE and Maru isn't guaranteed to beat Effort, nobody in the universe is ever "guaranteed" to beat Taeja. Especially not on his home turf. That aside, if the Kespa teams do start sending their players there, foreign tournaments will just turn into another Code S, except one where they have to pay a $2k tax per head for participating. The first teams to do it MIGHT (see earlier paragraph) make some money, but that won't last long. I'd love to see this happen, I don't like foreign players at all, but Korean teams have nothing at all to gain in the longterm. You have a strange definition of shitty players, and the only advantage Taeja has over Kespa players in an event like this is being used to flying. He is still just as jet lagged as the rest of them. Also preparation and specific build orders for specific players also come into play far less in tournaments like this than in an event like GSL | ||
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