EPT[DH] Summer 2014 Day 3 - Page 155
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Prugelhugel
Austria637 Posts
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Baroninthetree
United States473 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:57 imrusty269 wrote: Maru isn't definitely better. When he played overseas he still get owned by non-Kespa players. I'm also assuming Zest is code B next year. I really disagree that Maru is definitely better. Didn't he got owned last year by AM player after wining GSL? | ||
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:06 Prugelhugel wrote: What. A. Fkin. Bonjwa. Period. A "bonjwa" that has never won (or made the finals of) a Korean tournament, who plays in arguably the easiest WCS region and who has never managed to win that either. Right. He might be the best Terran right now and one of the best week-end tournament player ever but he's not anywhere close to being a bonjwa. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37110 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:16 Seeker wrote: Holy crap... He didn't drop a single set in this tournament. Are you kidding me? It's TaeJa during summer. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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shockaslim
United States1105 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:13 Fischbacher wrote: A "bonjwa" that has never won (or made the finals of) a Korean tournament, who plays in arguably the easiest WCS region and who has never managed to win that either. Right. He might be the best Terran right now and one of the best week-end tournament player ever but he's not anywhere close to being a bonjwa. Oh stop it. He is still beating those same Koreans that are playing in GSL consistently, and WCS NA is full of good Korean players. | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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LastManProductions
United States252 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:13 Fischbacher wrote: A "bonjwa" that has never won (or made the finals of) a Korean tournament, who plays in arguably the easiest WCS region and who has never managed to win that either. Right. He might be the best Terran right now and one of the best week-end tournament player ever but he's not anywhere close to being a bonjwa. I wouldn't say WCS NA is the easiest region. Here's the top players still left EU vs NA. NA: Pigbaby, Oz, Hyun, Alicia, Nestea, Bomber, Polt, Check, Taeja, Violet EU: San, MC, Welmu, Vortex, Golden, forGG, First, Stardust I think Taeja, Polt, Bomber, Hyun outclass the rest. | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:25 shockaslim wrote: Oh stop it. He is still beating those same Koreans that are playing in GSL consistently, and WCS NA is full of good Korean players. I kinda like that we are sensitive when it comes the word bonjwa. It keeps the old standard consistent | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:25 shockaslim wrote: Oh stop it. He is still beating those same Koreans that are playing in GSL consistently, and WCS NA is full of good Korean players. "beating koreans that are playing in GSL consistently" Like Oz, Patience, Jaedong and Hero? Sry, but there are 2 groups of koreans right now, the ones that compete in gsl and everyone else. That doesn't mean that the "foreign koreans" (haha so silly, but whatever^^) can't compete at all, but in general they are worse. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:29 Muffloe wrote: I kinda like that we are sensitive when it comes the word bonjwa. It keeps the old standard consistent Only player in SC2 that really merits it is MVP in Wings | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:26 LastManProductions wrote: I wouldn't say WCS NA is the easiest region. Here's the top players still left EU vs NA. NA: Pigbaby, Oz, Hyun, Alicia, Nestea, Bomber, Polt, Check, Taeja, Violet EU: San, MC, Welmu, Vortex, Golden, forGG, First, Stardust I think Taeja, Polt, Bomber, Hyun outclass the rest. Pigbaby is actually the top dog of the bunch | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:32 The_Red_Viper wrote: "beating koreans that are playing in GSL consistently" Like Oz, Patience, Jaedong and Hero? Sry, but there are 2 groups of koreans right now, the ones that compete in gsl and everyone else. That doesn't mean that the "foreign koreans" (haha so silly, but whatever^^) can't compete at all, but in general they are worse. They are maybe a little bit behind, but if you remember, what happened to TY (ro16 loss to MC) , RorO (ro32 loss to Welmu), Flash (ro 32 loss to YugiOh, MMA, getting stomped by DIMAGA in ro64) etc, when they entered the DH, you should see, that this is an incredible achievment from Taeja. Even Life, Inno and co. droped a few maps during their last DH runs. | ||
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Xinzoe
Korea (South)2373 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:25 shockaslim wrote: Oh stop it. He is still beating those same Koreans that are playing in GSL consistently, and WCS NA is full of good Korean players. i dont think so. KR GM is almost all kespa but taeja does terrible in korean ladder. But then again ladder not equal to tournament | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:36 DamageControL wrote: Only player in SC2 that really merits it is MVP in Wings Definately solid bonjwa had he gotten that G5L | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:39 Xoronius wrote: They are maybe a little bit behind, but if you remember, what happened to TY (ro16 loss to MC) , RorO (ro32 loss to Welmu), Flash (ro 32 loss to YugiOh, MMA, getting stomped by DIMAGA in ro64) etc, when they entered the DH, you should see, that this is an incredible achievment from Taeja. Even Life, Inno and co. droped a few maps during their last DH runs. Noone of them was in code s this season. Also i don't think it is a fair comparison, these guys never had to travel much, i am pretty sure that they would do a lot better if they got more chances. I mean i think he could compete in korea, but i am pretty sure he would not be extremely consistent. | ||
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Zephyp
238 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:58 Yorkie wrote: "I love SC2, but only when player X is playing" is a very weird thing to say. I can fully understand being disappointed when your favorite loses, but if no other Starcraft is interesting to you I'm not sure what is going on there It's more about being tired of the same people winning over and over. Not enjoying Protoss is also due to the fact that they've been fairly dominant the last 12 months. Around the time Hots came out, I loved it when a Protoss got far in a tournament. It was something you rarely saw. JD going out was more about the last zerg, than him in particular. I just don't enjoy watching TaeJa win. On the flipside, in GSL, Terrans are more than welcome. It's not something you choose really. Its just what happens to entertain you and make you want to watch SC2. Right now, TaeJa and Protoss isn't doing that for me. I think it comes down to variety. I don't play SC2 myself and I don't just have a few favorite players. I have a big bunch of players in all races that I like and root for, but I don't want either of them to win too much. I want to see different players and different races to contend and win. It's just something i can hope for of course. I don't hate TaeJa and Zest for being such good players, but it makes me lose interest when he goes 17-0 in a tournament, just after winning HSC and whatnot. | ||
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Zephyp
238 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:41 Xinzoe wrote: i dont think so. KR GM is almost all kespa but taeja does terrible in korean ladder. But then again ladder not equal to tournament TaeJa being good at foreign and foreign-KR heavy tournaments, and Kespa players not performing as well, might have to do with playstyles. Someone mentioned TaeJa struggled or would struggle in KR ladder. That may be right, given that he doesn't play on it regularly. You get good against the players you face regularly. In KR, they play eachother all the time in GSL and SPL. Kespa players go to foreign tournaments, and are suddenly faced with different metagame. Not that it renders the players gold league at that, but maybe enough to lose a couple of maps, which is enough to drop out of a tournament. As long as we don't have everyone playing together on a regular basis, it's really hard to decide who is better. The largest tournaments, which has some Kespa presence (Blizzcon), are perhaps the best estimation, but that's still just one tournament. One or two bad matches and you are out. | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
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