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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 13 2014 20:03 WTCO wrote: What, widow mines? So they made them super strong vs. Protoss because of ZvT? That doesn't sound like good design to me. They wanted to encourage "board control" as well I think | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 13 2014 20:03 WTCO wrote: What, widow mines? So they made them super strong vs. Protoss because of ZvT? That doesn't sound like good design to me. Old mutas could never beat new phoenixes though. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On June 13 2014 20:02 Circumstance wrote: Screwing up a winnable game, then winning decisively with the same comp in the next one. You got that wrong, Zest is the one that screwed up in the next game, not TRUE in the first... | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On June 13 2014 20:03 WTCO wrote: What, widow mines? So they made them super strong vs. Protoss because of ZvT? That doesn't sound like good design to me. Phoenix range also got increased from 4 to 5 + the oracle would make stargate openings possible | ||
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Swisslink
2956 Posts
On June 13 2014 20:03 Raygun wrote: I have to nominate this song for the worst one ever used in GSL. Yep, I tried to figure out what it is - but... didn't work out xD | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On June 13 2014 20:03 Raygun wrote: I have to nominate this song for the worst one ever used in GSL. GET OUT! This song is great! :D | ||
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MangoMountain
Norway2044 Posts
On June 13 2014 20:03 WTCO wrote: What, widow mines? So they made them super strong vs. Protoss because of ZvT? That doesn't sound like good design to me. True wins 1 game with mutas and the balance whine is already started? | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On June 13 2014 20:04 stuchiu wrote: Old mutas could never beat new phoenixes though. New mutas could never beat new phoenixes, too. Not in even numbers and stuff. Also, corruptors lose to mass phoenix which is fun. Corrupters in general just suck. | ||
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mCon.Hephaistas
Netherlands891 Posts
On June 13 2014 20:03 Thrillz wrote: Unfortunately trying to balance gameplay does always means fun gameplay. Muta's are very fun to watch IMO. Swarm hosts are way more boring, and lings roaches and hydras bumping against forcefields makes me sad. | ||
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Swisslink
2956 Posts
On June 13 2014 20:03 WTCO wrote: What, widow mines? So they made them super strong vs. Protoss because of ZvT? That doesn't sound like good design to me. Uhm... I'm quite happy there's more variation in ZvP nowadays. With the Phoenix Range upgrade, Muta's were basically deleted from the matchup until the buff came. | ||
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Yello
Germany7411 Posts
On June 13 2014 20:07 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Muta's are very fun to watch IMO. Swarm hosts are way more boring, and lings roaches and hydras bumping against forcefields makes me sad. yeah, mutas are fun to watch. But they are just about the worst thing to play against as Terran or Protoss, that's why many people hate them | ||
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duckk
United States622 Posts
On June 13 2014 20:05 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Maybe I'm overthinking it, but maybe Zest didn't build Phoenixes caues he respected TRUE. Zest was sure that TRUE saw that he was ready for the the Phoenix transition and thus thought that TRUE wouldn't build a ton of mutas again, especially after losing that game, and chose not to build phoenixes. That may just be overthinking though. Players like True do very well in situations like that previous game. If Zest makes phoenix when he knows there are already corrupters on the field and double evo he is putting himself into a very difficult game. If he doesnt make mutas and he makes phoenix he loses badly, if he makes phoenix and then true masses mutas and corrupters or a few infestors he will probably lose on the air and ground. Not to mention he will be on fewer bases. The game was already over by the time zest could have made phoenix but did not. | ||
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
On June 13 2014 20:06 boxerfred wrote: New mutas could never beat new phoenixes, too. Not in even numbers and stuff. Also, corruptors lose to mass phoenix which is fun. Corrupters in general just suck. pheonix were buffed after mutas were buffed . in response to keep it just like before . corruptors dont lose neighter win vs pheonix . they have same range . if protoss "stack" 20 pheonix and zerg is careless he will lost coruptors ( if they are not stacked ) . but corruptor stack vs pheonix stack is usualy win for corruptors . | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25658 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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Swisslink
2956 Posts
On June 13 2014 20:09 xsnac wrote: pheonix were buffed after mutas were buffed . in response to keep it just like before . corruptors dont lose neighter win vs pheonix . they have same range . if protoss "stack" 20 pheonix and zerg is careless he will lost coruptors ( if they are not stacked ) . but corruptor stack vs pheonix stack is usualy win for corruptors . Didn't phoenix get the range upgrade in WoL already? :o | ||
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KadaverBB
Germany25658 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On June 13 2014 20:09 xsnac wrote: pheonix were buffed after mutas were buffed . in response to keep it just like before . corruptors dont lose neighter win vs pheonix . they have same range . if protoss "stack" 20 pheonix and zerg is careless he will lost coruptors ( if they are not stacked ) . but corruptor stack vs pheonix stack is usualy win for corruptors . They don't have the same range. Phoenixes got 5 and 7 after the upgrade, Corruptors have 6. When Phoenixes are upgraded, they beat every Zerg air unit in equal numbers, and you pretty much need mass Queens/Hydras or Infestors to beat them. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On June 13 2014 20:12 Swisslink wrote: Didn't phoenix get the range upgrade in WoL already? :o Yeah I'm pretty sure Anion Pulse Crystals was added during WoL and the muta buff was part of HotS. | ||
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