EPT[DreamHack] Bucharest Day 2 Bracket Stages 2014 - Page 41
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Swisslink
2953 Posts
On April 27 2014 19:40 Rollora wrote: you cannot balance the game around winrates cause it just doesn't reflect the players skill therefore not balance. If you make a ladder system, that ranks you up and down depending on your winrate, ofc you'll always have 50% winrate and therefore are "balanced", although you may be only 5 years old and press the same button all over again, and the other player is a 20 yo korean pro. So would that be balance? Winrates don't prove anything by themself. These are the Winrates in tournaments, you're not ranked up and down there depending on your winrate there. Ladder winrates don't prove anything, tournaments definitely do. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
On April 27 2014 19:42 Lorning wrote: This Jaedong circlejerk is the reason I cheer against Jaedong word | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On April 27 2014 19:36 Lorning wrote:  DreamHackSC2 Nathanias TY 1 - 2  MC Ryung 1 - 2  ImpactZanster 0 - 1 Jaedong LIVE HyuN 0 - 2 Snute INnoVation vs Welmu ToD vs BunnyLeenock vs Life jjakji vs StarDustTHX!! | ||
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noobPride
Spain333 Posts
-edit- never mind, thx! | ||
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
On April 27 2014 19:41 Hopelessnoob wrote: OMG. When incontrol said that joke. You could hear tasteless laughing in the background XD Never change geoff Quote joke please. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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DinosaurJones
United States1000 Posts
On April 27 2014 19:40 aZealot wrote: Is there ever a real general consensus anywhere on TL? For me, MC won. He earned it. As to how he did it, I don't know apart from being able to get the better of some key engagements and TY perhaps being conservative when he had an advantage. But, I could be wrong. I'll definitely have to watch that game again. TL strategy should do one of their spotlight pieces on it too. That game deserves one. It was a great game of Starcraft. Anyway, G'night. Stay frosty y'all. Man, that is the kind of post I like to see. Well thought-out, polite, nothing aggressive or whining... You, sir, are a hero. Because basically, I`m just trying to rip on the people who are so outraged by perceived imbalance. It probably is not working. | ||
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Heavenlee
United States966 Posts
On April 27 2014 19:42 pure.Wasted wrote: Yes, but there aren't as many Terrans to track!!! When MMA makes a deep tournament run beating up 10 crappy foreign Protoss and Zerg in the process, Terran win percentage is artificially inflated! There are not as many crappy foreign Terrans to beat up. PvT winrate does not get inflated the same way. The Maru example was just a simplification of what is going on, there are fewer Terrans and this skews the balance numbers like craaazy. so the only true indicator of imbalance is you looking at a game and thinking you are the king of deciding who REALLY deserved to win? fascinating. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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Swisslink
2953 Posts
On April 27 2014 19:42 pure.Wasted wrote: Yes, but there aren't as many Terrans to track!!! When MMA makes a deep tournament run beating up 10 crappy foreign Protoss and Zerg in the process, Terran win percentage is artificially inflated! There are not as many crappy foreign Terrans to beat up. PvT winrate does not get inflated the same way. The Maru example was just a simplification of what is going on, there are fewer Terrans and this skews the balance numbers like craaazy. Again: 704 games. It's not like the number is very little. Yes, there are less Terrans than Protoss/Zerg around, but the difference isn't as huge as you make it to be. | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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ReMinD_
Croatia846 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On April 27 2014 19:43 raga4ka wrote: Casters are praising Jaedong , but i am liking zanster's position better . To bad he plays scared and can't get an advantage with his army . incontrol being biased for jaedong? shocked. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On April 27 2014 19:37 Rollora wrote: I disagree a bit. You can try to balance the game in every matchup in every situation, but because there will never be the same situations have in the exact same way again and again. But ESPECIALLY because the races are designed so different, beginning with economy, but also with how their health regens (or not) how to macro (warpin across the map, vs creating 7 units a time from a 300 mineral building, vs 1-2 units a time etc etc), flying buildings, mules, cronoboost, one race not required to micro hard where the other one has etc leads to one race having less apm in average while it may require other skills (thinking process) I believe it can never be balanced 100% I don't think we disagree at all. But there's a difference between 'not quite 100%' and 'not quite 90%' and 'not quite 80%'... | ||
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SpawnMoarOverlords
400 Posts
On April 27 2014 19:39 Beta2k wrote: mini-summary for snute vs hyun please. was it close? or did snute rule him? 1 rst game, Hyun is super-aggressive with ling/baneling but Snute barely holds it off with +1 Carapace. The game goes on to Roaches but Snute is ahead in tech and upgrade and starts adding infestors and hydras before Hyun. Then Hyun starts harassing with tunneling claws. Snute loses all his tech and his economy and is basically all-in but he manages to kill Hyun right away. 2nd game Snute 10 pool baneling, gg. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On April 27 2014 19:42 Lorning wrote: This Jaedong circlejerk is the reason I cheer against Jaedong Lorning confirmed fanster On April 27 2014 19:44 ReMinD_ wrote: So, this is going to be the dreaded SH vs. SH game? SWARM HOSTS, GET HYPE. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On April 27 2014 19:42 Swisslink wrote: These are the Winrates in tournaments, you're not ranked up and down there depending on your winrate there. Ladder winrates don't prove anything, tournaments definitely do. Lol no if a win with a race is easier then with the other(not refering to any race in particular, but meant in general), it still doesn't say anything in tournaments as well. Why should this suddenly change? WINRATES ALONE don't show anything, no, not even in tournaments. If I reach Korean GM Level with one race but with less effort, i can also win tournaments with it. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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