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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
April 27 2014 10:45 GMT
#821
On April 27 2014 19:44 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 19:42 Lorning wrote:
This Jaedong circlejerk is the reason I cheer against Jaedong

Lorning confirmed fanster
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 19:44 ReMinD_ wrote:
So, this is going to be the dreaded SH vs. SH game?

SWARM HOSTS, GET HYPE.

Fansters > Faniwas
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liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
April 27 2014 10:46 GMT
#822
Gen 1 free units > Gen 2
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 27 2014 10:46 GMT
#823
No Artosis, yoou dont need spire. You go spores+vipers.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
April 27 2014 10:46 GMT
#824
broodlords vs swarm hosts the ultimate battle and i already start to hate this map
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
April 27 2014 10:46 GMT
#825
On April 27 2014 19:44 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 19:37 Rollora wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:27 pure.Wasted wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:19 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:13 scypio wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:11 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:09 juvenal wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:06 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Boss + Toss = ?!

everyone can be bosstoss these days. They even played a funny game "crown a new one every other tournament" until zest showed consistence.

Why is everyone replying with balance whining? Is it like this ALL the time? Just fucking admit that player A sucked and player B ruled and that's why the game ended up the way it did. Blame the player, not the game.


Because seeing the same race win every single thing is boring and mindnumbing. Have you seen 2014 results?

Nope. But this was a common trend in Broodwar as well, races performing well. Blaming it all on the game and dev. fixes is rofl. Balance is a sensitive thing. By neglecting the players as "the balancers" you piss on the Esports as you think you know how the game should be, changing the core again and again. You can never reach perfection except within yourself. Take a good look in the mirror and think: Why me?


Lmao, balance isn't some mystical spiritual experience. It's a fact, the game's either balanced or it's not. If the legitimacy of esports is so fragile that talking about the fact of its artificial design endangers it, then esports doesn't deserve to be legitimate. Fortunately I couldn't agree less with your point.

I disagree a bit. You can try to balance the game in every matchup in every situation, but because there will never be the same situations have in the exact same way again and again.
But ESPECIALLY because the races are designed so different, beginning with economy, but also with how their health regens (or not) how to macro (warpin across the map, vs creating 7 units a time from a 300 mineral building, vs 1-2 units a time etc etc), flying buildings, mules, cronoboost, one race not required to micro hard where the other one has etc leads to one race having less apm in average while it may require other skills (thinking process)
I believe it can never be balanced 100%


I don't think we disagree at all. But there's a difference between 'not quite 100%' and 'not quite 90%' and 'not quite 80%'...

k man you are right.
Right now TvP feels more like we are around 90 or below then "close to" 100%
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
April 27 2014 10:46 GMT
#826
Brood Lords vs Swarm Hosts. Oh god.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
April 27 2014 10:46 GMT
#827
That was some high level bane drop! SH vs SH go go!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 27 2014 10:46 GMT
#828
Jaedong using Lowely tactics
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
April 27 2014 10:46 GMT
#829
the viper anti-tag bug was removed, right?
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
April 27 2014 10:46 GMT
#830
lol those drops are going terribly... too many priority targets ahead of the drones.

At least they are getting larva?
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
April 27 2014 10:46 GMT
#831
What am i watching lol
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
April 27 2014 10:47 GMT
#832
On April 27 2014 19:44 Heavenlee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 19:42 pure.Wasted wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:35 SatedSC2 wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:31 pure.Wasted wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:28 SatedSC2 wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:27 YyapSsap wrote:
Protoss is very good against terrans these days.

If you say so.


Why don't you pull out David Kim's balance numbers while you're at it.

You realize that if the game is down to just Maru being able to compete, as long as he can beat D-level Protoss in "really really close games" it's going to be 50/50, right?

Aligulac tracks pretty much all tournament results. It is far from MaruvP.


Yes, but there aren't as many Terrans to track!!! When MMA makes a deep tournament run beating up 10 crappy foreign Protoss and Zerg in the process, Terran win percentage is artificially inflated! There are not as many crappy foreign Terrans to beat up. PvT winrate does not get inflated the same way. The Maru example was just a simplification of what is going on, there are fewer Terrans and this skews the balance numbers like craaazy.


so the only true indicator of imbalance is you looking at a game and thinking you are the king of deciding who REALLY deserved to win? fascinating.


How about 3/4 Terrans being competitive at Code S level for two seasons in a row, no Terran premier win since September, no Terran win in Korea since June 2013? I don't know, I think those statistics might be connected by some mystical thread.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Foreverkul
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1649 Posts
April 27 2014 10:47 GMT
#833
On April 27 2014 19:28 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 19:27 YyapSsap wrote:
Protoss is very good against terrans these days.

If you say so.

That Terran flat line is depressing, there clearly is a problem if we look at this data. What we mean to say is: Terran is a poorly support race. Just look at all the options both Protoss and Zerg got in HotS, Terran meta is basically identical, but can't handle new unit comps of P and Z.
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
April 27 2014 10:47 GMT
#834
WTF is this game.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
April 27 2014 10:47 GMT
#835
Locusts and infested marines against broodlings

Beautiful
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noobPride
Profile Joined June 2013
Spain333 Posts
April 27 2014 10:48 GMT
#836
OH MANSTER
\m/__dò.ób__\m/
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
April 27 2014 10:48 GMT
#837
On April 27 2014 19:47 Caladan wrote:
WTF is this game.

Starcraft II: Heart of the Swarm
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
April 27 2014 10:48 GMT
#838
On April 27 2014 19:47 Lorning wrote:
Locusts and infested marines against broodlings

Beautiful

this is the starcraft we deserve
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
April 27 2014 10:49 GMT
#839
Broodlords look like they have Blink in this fight
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
April 27 2014 10:49 GMT
#840
Abducting Infestor into your army = Infestor thanks you for getting it close enough to Fungal without dying? Lol.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
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