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phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
April 27 2014 10:31 GMT
#761
On April 27 2014 19:29 Garnet wrote:
2k ppl watch Soulkey-Maru, 30k watch JD-Zangster.


who cares about a best of one between soulkey and maru, if there is a whole tournament on with many great players..

proleague is good when no other tournament is on.

teamleague and the format just isnt that great.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 27 2014 10:31 GMT
#762
On April 27 2014 19:26 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 19:18 Foreverkul wrote:
Nobody knows how MC won, by all accounts, TY outplayed in basically every aspect. MC shrugged off the loss of his entire army as Protoss, very expensive units, and it was not even a problem. Even MC himself seemed surprised he won!
TY had more bases, he had better tech, he took better fights, he dealt more economic damage, harassed all game. MC is good, but so is TY, and TY showed it in this game. Everyone was shocked, and for good reason.


That game deserves re-watching. But, I don't think TY took the better fights. Only one was a comprehensive win to TY (the one where he sniped all MC's ghosts). But, otherwise, I think they were either even trades or MC had the better of them.

Also, bear in mind MC loves these kinds of scrappy games. The last one that comes immediately to mind is MC vs JD on Whirlwind. MC looked done and out after a failed all-in (and JD's counter killing an Artosis pylon). Somehow, MC won.


You should rewatch as you got your facts wrong.

First, MC didn't have ghosts. Second, the resources lost tab showed 17k for MC, 14k for TY.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
April 27 2014 10:31 GMT
#763
On April 27 2014 19:23 myminerals wrote:
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On April 27 2014 19:20 Rollora wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:09 scypio wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:08 Inflicted_ wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:05 Rollora wrote:
TY ahead 80 Supply after perfect EMPs and engagement from multiple angles.
Still losing to deathball afterwards. Protossed


And he lost his whole army after wasting Vikings and getting his ghost caught.
Good micro = 80 supply up, No micro = 80 supply down.

Sounds about right


80 supply as protoss = congratulations, you've won the game
80 supply as terran = babysit everything or you're dead in 2 seconds

Sounds about right

I didn't wanna start balance whine.
I don't think this is protoss specific, this is terran specific.

Fights can be over too fast, if you are not watching one sec. That was always the problem with sc2. In BroodWar you had to fight your way through the whole game, gain small advantage and fight it out till the end.
In SC2 the problem is: if you play out your 300+ apm terran style perfectly it is an awesome race, in the beginning of WoL some considered it even OP.
But even in WoL there was one problem: if you don't look at your army for one sec or clumb it up: you die to either banelings on creep, fungals or 2-3 storms. After 2 secs everything can be dead. And that is SO annoying as you try to gain advantages 15-20 minutes and then you lose because of 2-3 casts or units with extreme speed and splash damage etc.(ofc you could split, and micro etc.)

I like back and forth games, but at this point of time, only PRO(!) TvZ seems to be like it. Ofc the game is balanced around it but below that level it is just amazingly frustrtating to lose to a much lesser player that just counts on surprising you or a moves and pushes some button after a few secs while you split and cast and drop and harass like a madman.... but that is no balance whine as said, it is just the ladder experience for some.



and that is why BW is a much more difficult game
so let it be difficult and slower engagements, i dont mind having that.
Then you take out randomness out of the game and the true best players win several tourneys in a row, which would be fairer then to win one and get kicked out of the next three in the first round because of that randomness, although everyone agrees that he is currently the best terran/zerg/protoss.

Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
April 27 2014 10:31 GMT
#764
On April 27 2014 19:30 Lorning wrote:
(Z)Snute 2 - 0 (Z)HyuN
Poll: Recommend HyuN vs Snute Game 2?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
 
40%

★★★- Good game (1)
 
20%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
 
40%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

5 total votes

Your vote: Recommend HyuN vs Snute Game 2?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season


Poll: Recommend HyuN vs Snute Game 3?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
 
13%

★★★- Good game (6)
 
75%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
 
13%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

8 total votes

Your vote: Recommend HyuN vs Snute Game 3?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season


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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
April 27 2014 10:31 GMT
#765
On April 27 2014 19:28 SatedSC2 wrote:
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On April 27 2014 19:27 YyapSsap wrote:
Protoss is very good against terrans these days.

If you say so.


Why don't you pull out David Kim's balance numbers while you're at it.

You realize that if the game is down to just Maru being able to compete, as long as he can beat D-level Protoss in "really really close games" it's going to be 50/50, right?
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
NaldoR
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore2198 Posts
April 27 2014 10:32 GMT
#766
On April 27 2014 19:29 Garnet wrote:
2k ppl watch Soulkey-Maru, 30k watch JD-Zangster.



I have all 3 streams open XD Everyone should
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
April 27 2014 10:33 GMT
#767
Snute vs Jaedong will be an amazing ZvZ.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 27 2014 10:33 GMT
#768
All I want to see is Inno win this. I would actually cry with happiness
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
April 27 2014 10:34 GMT
#769
Snute vs Bunny finals inc!
Cogito, ergo toss.
phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
April 27 2014 10:34 GMT
#770
comeon stop it, we know JD is the best human on earth
Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
April 27 2014 10:34 GMT
#771
On April 27 2014 19:31 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 19:28 SatedSC2 wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:27 YyapSsap wrote:
Protoss is very good against terrans these days.

If you say so.


Why don't you pull out David Kim's balance numbers while you're at it.

You realize that if the game is down to just Maru being able to compete, as long as he can beat D-level Protoss in "really really close games" it's going to be 50/50, right?


You found out the dark secret, aligulac is a protoss conspiracy and they only take Maru's wins into account. The TvP winrate is actually 10% without him. After all, that's what people act like it is.
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
April 27 2014 10:34 GMT
#772
Wow, Geoff's right. Zanster WAS promoted alongside Miniraiser, effective as of yesterday. They did it to replace the retiring Naama.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
tns
Profile Joined June 2011
1054 Posts
April 27 2014 10:34 GMT
#773
On April 27 2014 19:15 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 19:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:11 architecture wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:08 herMan wrote:
OK before people start to scream for injustice, here's a few things TY did wrong:

1. drops didn't do shit after 15min mark
2. didn't repair/produce more vikings -> colossi reign supreme
3. bad attack positions such as attacking the fourth from the north in a bottleneck, resulting in being killed while routed
4. didn't keep MC's economy in check
5. afraid to deny MC's third after deflecting the all-in


1. drops late game are shit because of massive gate count + warpin, but the same 10 food in your main army doesnt do shit either
2. yea this was a big mistake
4. what economy? mc had less mining

4. ofc MC had less mining, it's TvP


That doesn't make any sense. Protoss has less mineral mining in TvP because they are more gas dependent but protoss is usually not behind in income compared to terran because their mineral/gas ratio of units is much better than terran ratio.

So in typical TvP 2 base protoss actually has slightly better economy than 2 base terran so that is why terran needs to be ahead a base to be even. In this particular game, MC was on 45 probes most of the time which is like 20 short of what protoss should have.

where did u see tvp was an economic war?
it's a storm, blink, snipe, EMP war
MC said, I make zealot zealot zealot and HT and win
firebathero miss u♥! http://youtu.be/AXkoG9GnpcM - 1998/11/30 to 2001/05/18 BW stabilized! - WoL v.alpha HotS v.beta LotD v.gamma... summer 2017 SC3 (sc1remastered)
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
April 27 2014 10:34 GMT
#774
On April 27 2014 19:33 GumBa wrote:
All I want to see is Inno win this. I would actually cry with happiness

tod man.

i would cry and scream in ecstatic joy if he would win.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
April 27 2014 10:34 GMT
#775
Waystation feels very 2010-esque btw.
Cogito, ergo toss.
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
April 27 2014 10:35 GMT
#776
--- Nuked ---
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
April 27 2014 10:35 GMT
#777
gogo zanster!
djraphi23
Profile Joined August 2013
France2262 Posts
April 27 2014 10:35 GMT
#778
Snute is definitely the Hyun's nemesis.
Polt | Bomber | MMA | Taeja | Maru | TY | Byun | Innovation
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2953 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-27 10:36:31
April 27 2014 10:35 GMT
#779
On April 27 2014 19:31 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 19:28 SatedSC2 wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:27 YyapSsap wrote:
Protoss is very good against terrans these days.

If you say so.


Why don't you pull out David Kim's balance numbers while you're at it.

You realize that if the game is down to just Maru being able to compete, as long as he can beat D-level Protoss in "really really close games" it's going to be 50/50, right?


Maru must have had a pretty stressful month, if he played 704 games in tournaments!
DinosaurJones
Profile Joined February 2012
United States1000 Posts
April 27 2014 10:36 GMT
#780
So... is the general consensus just that MC did not deserve to win? He just isn`t a good player, and won because of his op race?
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