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On April 27 2014 19:29 Garnet wrote: 2k ppl watch Soulkey-Maru, 30k watch JD-Zangster.
who cares about a best of one between soulkey and maru, if there is a whole tournament on with many great players..
proleague is good when no other tournament is on.
teamleague and the format just isnt that great.
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On April 27 2014 19:26 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 19:18 Foreverkul wrote: Nobody knows how MC won, by all accounts, TY outplayed in basically every aspect. MC shrugged off the loss of his entire army as Protoss, very expensive units, and it was not even a problem. Even MC himself seemed surprised he won! TY had more bases, he had better tech, he took better fights, he dealt more economic damage, harassed all game. MC is good, but so is TY, and TY showed it in this game. Everyone was shocked, and for good reason. That game deserves re-watching. But, I don't think TY took the better fights. Only one was a comprehensive win to TY (the one where he sniped all MC's ghosts). But, otherwise, I think they were either even trades or MC had the better of them. Also, bear in mind MC loves these kinds of scrappy games. The last one that comes immediately to mind is MC vs JD on Whirlwind. MC looked done and out after a failed all-in (and JD's counter killing an Artosis pylon). Somehow, MC won.
You should rewatch as you got your facts wrong.
First, MC didn't have ghosts. Second, the resources lost tab showed 17k for MC, 14k for TY.
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On April 27 2014 19:23 myminerals wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 19:20 Rollora wrote:On April 27 2014 19:09 scypio wrote:On April 27 2014 19:08 Inflicted_ wrote:On April 27 2014 19:05 Rollora wrote: TY ahead 80 Supply after perfect EMPs and engagement from multiple angles. Still losing to deathball afterwards. Protossed And he lost his whole army after wasting Vikings and getting his ghost caught. Good micro = 80 supply up, No micro = 80 supply down. Sounds about right 80 supply as protoss = congratulations, you've won the game 80 supply as terran = babysit everything or you're dead in 2 seconds Sounds about right  I didn't wanna start balance whine. I don't think this is protoss specific, this is terran specific. Fights can be over too fast, if you are not watching one sec. That was always the problem with sc2. In BroodWar you had to fight your way through the whole game, gain small advantage and fight it out till the end. In SC2 the problem is: if you play out your 300+ apm terran style perfectly it is an awesome race, in the beginning of WoL some considered it even OP. But even in WoL there was one problem: if you don't look at your army for one sec or clumb it up: you die to either banelings on creep, fungals or 2-3 storms. After 2 secs everything can be dead. And that is SO annoying as you try to gain advantages 15-20 minutes and then you lose because of 2-3 casts or units with extreme speed and splash damage etc.(ofc you could split, and micro etc.) I like back and forth games, but at this point of time, only PRO(!) TvZ seems to be like it. Ofc the game is balanced around it but below that level it is just amazingly frustrtating to lose to a much lesser player that just counts on surprising you or a moves and pushes some button after a few secs while you split and cast and drop and harass like a madman.... but that is no balance whine as said, it is just the ladder experience for some. and that is why BW is a much more difficult game so let it be difficult and slower engagements, i dont mind having that. Then you take out randomness out of the game and the true best players win several tourneys in a row, which would be fairer then to win one and get kicked out of the next three in the first round because of that randomness, although everyone agrees that he is currently the best terran/zerg/protoss.
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Belgica34432 Posts
On April 27 2014 19:30 Lorning wrote: Snute 2 - 0 HyuNPoll: Recommend HyuN vs Snute Game 2?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 40% ★★★- Good game (1) 20% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (2) 40% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend HyuN vs Snute Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend HyuN vs Snute Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 13% ★★★- Good game (6) 75% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 13% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend HyuN vs Snute Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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Why don't you pull out David Kim's balance numbers while you're at it.
You realize that if the game is down to just Maru being able to compete, as long as he can beat D-level Protoss in "really really close games" it's going to be 50/50, right?
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On April 27 2014 19:29 Garnet wrote: 2k ppl watch Soulkey-Maru, 30k watch JD-Zangster.
I have all 3 streams open XD Everyone should
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Snute vs Jaedong will be an amazing ZvZ.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
All I want to see is Inno win this. I would actually cry with happiness
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Snute vs Bunny finals inc!
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comeon stop it, we know JD is the best human on earth
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On April 27 2014 19:31 pure.Wasted wrote:Why don't you pull out David Kim's balance numbers while you're at it. You realize that if the game is down to just Maru being able to compete, as long as he can beat D-level Protoss in "really really close games" it's going to be 50/50, right?
You found out the dark secret, aligulac is a protoss conspiracy and they only take Maru's wins into account. The TvP winrate is actually 10% without him. After all, that's what people act like it is.
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Wow, Geoff's right. Zanster WAS promoted alongside Miniraiser, effective as of yesterday. They did it to replace the retiring Naama.
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On April 27 2014 19:15 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 19:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On April 27 2014 19:11 architecture wrote:On April 27 2014 19:08 herMan wrote: OK before people start to scream for injustice, here's a few things TY did wrong:
1. drops didn't do shit after 15min mark 2. didn't repair/produce more vikings -> colossi reign supreme 3. bad attack positions such as attacking the fourth from the north in a bottleneck, resulting in being killed while routed 4. didn't keep MC's economy in check 5. afraid to deny MC's third after deflecting the all-in 1. drops late game are shit because of massive gate count + warpin, but the same 10 food in your main army doesnt do shit either 2. yea this was a big mistake 4. what economy? mc had less mining 4. ofc MC had less mining, it's TvP That doesn't make any sense. Protoss has less mineral mining in TvP because they are more gas dependent but protoss is usually not behind in income compared to terran because their mineral/gas ratio of units is much better than terran ratio. So in typical TvP 2 base protoss actually has slightly better economy than 2 base terran so that is why terran needs to be ahead a base to be even. In this particular game, MC was on 45 probes most of the time which is like 20 short of what protoss should have. where did u see tvp was an economic war? it's a storm, blink, snipe, EMP war MC said, I make zealot zealot zealot and HT and win
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On April 27 2014 19:33 GumBa wrote: All I want to see is Inno win this. I would actually cry with happiness tod man.
i would cry and scream in ecstatic joy if he would win.
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Waystation feels very 2010-esque btw.
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Snute is definitely the Hyun's nemesis.
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On April 27 2014 19:31 pure.Wasted wrote:Why don't you pull out David Kim's balance numbers while you're at it. You realize that if the game is down to just Maru being able to compete, as long as he can beat D-level Protoss in "really really close games" it's going to be 50/50, right?
Maru must have had a pretty stressful month, if he played 704 games in tournaments!
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So... is the general consensus just that MC did not deserve to win? He just isn`t a good player, and won because of his op race?
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