On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote: last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^
Why would they, they'll lose.
You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine.
You cant be serious TB.
Yeah what would I know, I'm only posting the opinions of top Korean protoss players. I can't possibly know what's going on.
Terran is strong in later stages right now. But do you feel this match-up is in good position then?
I mean if all these complaints are true from these pro protoss players then I guess series like these will get much more popular.
No the matchup is in an awful position. Any matchup in which one race is predominantly playing 1-2 base because the players are actually afraid of going for a longer game is one that has some problems. Unfortunately we don't get to see enough of those games to really get that impression. Seriously, outside of games on Alterzim, you are seeing so few long PvTs. We might even end up seeing another Terran buff because of that and then I have a feeling things will swing back in the other direction hard once Terran can regularly get to the later game without dying.
In your league this might be true.
Yes yes very cute. Call me when your bronzelogic is somehow more valid than the opinions of people like Rain, CranK and Alicia.
I'd take his bronzelogic opinion over Rain's opinion any day. I can't take someone who says that Terran was overpowered BEFORE the widowmine patch seriously.
Well depends on which patch you go back to :p Barracks before supply depot was pretty shit to play against back in the day.
On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote: last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^
Why would they, they'll lose.
You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine.
You cant be serious TB.
Yeah what would I know, I'm only posting the opinions of top Korean protoss players. I can't possibly know what's going on.
Terran is strong in later stages right now. But do you feel this match-up is in good position then?
I mean if all these complaints are true from these pro protoss players then I guess series like these will get much more popular.
No the matchup is in an awful position. Any matchup in which one race is predominantly playing 1-2 base because the players are actually afraid of going for a longer game is one that has some problems. Unfortunately we don't get to see enough of those games to really get that impression. Seriously, outside of games on Alterzim, you are seeing so few long PvTs. We might even end up seeing another Terran buff because of that and then I have a feeling things will swing back in the other direction hard once Terran can regularly get to the later game without dying.
In your league this might be true.
Yes yes very cute. Call me when your bronzelogic is somehow more valid than the opinions of people like Rain, CranK and Alicia.
I'd take his bronzelogic opinion over Rain's opinion any day. I can't take someone who says that Terran was overpowered BEFORE the widowmine patch seriously.
Well depends on which patch you go back to :p Barracks before supply depot was pretty shit to play against back in the day.
Thank god no one but BitByBit realized how good it was.
On April 13 2014 04:36 Musicus wrote: Can you take the tvp discussion to the balance thread and talk about the game or at least say something funny pls.
2:00 Fast gas after barracks for MMA. San getting a slightly later assimilator after his gateway.
3:00 Cybernetics core on the way for San. MMA getting a reactor on his barracks. Two reapers for MMA. San gets his natural nexus down. Mothership core being chronoboosted out. MMA expanding.
4:00 Two more reapers for MMA. Mass reaper TvP? Stalker on the way for San. One reaper walks into the main base of San. Twilight council is seen by the reaper. MMA switches to marines.
5:00 Two more barracks finishing for MMA. 4 reapers walk into the main and kill a stalker and a probe or two. Reapers die to overcharge + good building placement.
6:00 Blink for San. MMA researching stim. MMA breaking the closer rock tower. Proxy pylon for San. The probe reveals itself.
7:00 MMA 54 vs San 42 San only going up to 3 gateways. Robotics facility for San. San breaks his rock tower. San cancelled his proxy pylon.
8:00 MMA 65 vs San 54 Engineering bay for MMA. MMA going for some pressure. MMA trying to force overcharge but San is threatening to lock him in with FFs. MMA stimming in anyway.
9:00 MMA 70 vs San 64 FF on the main ramp. MMA is pushed back. Double forge for San. MMA getting a starport. MMA getting +1 attack and concussive shells. MMA getting a third CC.
10:00 MMA 77 vs San 76 Robotics bay for San. Two more gateways on the way. MMA building two more barracks. MMA adding on medivacs. MMA scans the main of San again.
On April 13 2014 04:36 Musicus wrote: Can you take the tvp discussion to the balance thread and talk about the game or at least say something funny pls.
Prime sucks and Startale too. Ayn takers?
Team MVP is Injustice League and Swagger is superior to Coach Park in every way in SC2.
On April 13 2014 04:36 Musicus wrote: Can you take the tvp discussion to the balance thread and talk about the game or at least say something funny pls.
On April 13 2014 04:36 Musicus wrote: Can you take the tvp discussion to the balance thread and talk about the game or at least say something funny pls.
Prime sucks and Startale too. Ayn takers?
how could you say that OMG OMG Marineking is so handesome, and his proxy raxes never get old, even after four years he's still the man.
On April 13 2014 04:31 Morbidius wrote: I've seen terrans winning more in the late game recently without mines...
The fear of the mine makes Protoss not play the superior zealot/ht/archon/cllosus style I think.
Its what i thought happened.
Protoss micro vs mines is getting better, as is better control of observers. Toss were letting their detection slip a lot against terran. Toss will build those skills within a few weeks.
On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote: last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^
Why would they, they'll lose.
You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine.
You cant be serious TB.
Yeah what would I know, I'm only posting the opinions of top Korean protoss players. I can't possibly know what's going on.
Terran is strong in later stages right now. But do you feel this match-up is in good position then?
I mean if all these complaints are true from these pro protoss players then I guess series like these will get much more popular.
No the matchup is in an awful position. Any matchup in which one race is predominantly playing 1-2 base because the players are actually afraid of going for a longer game is one that has some problems. Unfortunately we don't get to see enough of those games to really get that impression. Seriously, outside of games on Alterzim, you are seeing so few long PvTs. We might even end up seeing another Terran buff because of that and then I have a feeling things will swing back in the other direction hard once Terran can regularly get to the later game without dying.
In your league this might be true.
Yes yes very cute. Call me when your bronzelogic is somehow more valid than the opinions of people like Rain, CranK and Alicia.
I'd take his bronzelogic opinion over Rain's opinion any day. I can't take someone who says that Terran was overpowered BEFORE the widowmine patch seriously.
Well depends on which patch you go back to :p Barracks before supply depot was pretty shit to play against back in the day.
Thank god no one but BitByBit realized how good it was.
He was ahead of the meta, I remember knowing nothing about the game and having that happen with reapers, when reapers were really able to fuck a worker line, and kill lings.
On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote: last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^
Why would they, they'll lose.
You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine.
You cant be serious TB.
Yeah what would I know, I'm only posting the opinions of top Korean protoss players. I can't possibly know what's going on.
Terran is strong in later stages right now. But do you feel this match-up is in good position then?
I mean if all these complaints are true from these pro protoss players then I guess series like these will get much more popular.
No the matchup is in an awful position. Any matchup in which one race is predominantly playing 1-2 base because the players are actually afraid of going for a longer game is one that has some problems. Unfortunately we don't get to see enough of those games to really get that impression. Seriously, outside of games on Alterzim, you are seeing so few long PvTs. We might even end up seeing another Terran buff because of that and then I have a feeling things will swing back in the other direction hard once Terran can regularly get to the later game without dying.
In your league this might be true.
Yes yes very cute. Call me when your bronzelogic is somehow more valid than the opinions of people like Rain, CranK and Alicia.
I'd take his bronzelogic opinion over Rain's opinion any day. I can't take someone who says that Terran was overpowered BEFORE the widowmine patch seriously.
Well depends on which patch you go back to :p Barracks before supply depot was pretty shit to play against back in the day.
Thank god no one but BitByBit realized how good it was.
He was ahead of the meta, I remember knowing nothing about the game and having that happen with reapers, when reapers were really able to fuck a worker line, and kill lings.
On April 13 2014 04:36 Musicus wrote: Can you take the tvp discussion to the balance thread and talk about the game or at least say something funny pls.
On April 13 2014 04:36 Musicus wrote: Can you take the tvp discussion to the balance thread and talk about the game or at least say something funny pls.
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MMA 54 vs 
San 42
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