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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
April 12 2014 19:39 GMT
#781
On April 13 2014 04:38 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:38 ThomasjServo wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:36 stuchiu wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:35 ThomasjServo wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:34 royalroadweed wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:14 Frex wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:12 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:10 Qwerty85 wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:
[quote]

Why would they, they'll lose.

You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine.


You cant be serious TB.


Yeah what would I know, I'm only posting the opinions of top Korean protoss players. I can't possibly know what's going on.


Terran is strong in later stages right now. But do you feel this match-up is in good position then?

I mean if all these complaints are true from these pro protoss players then I guess series like these will get much more popular.



No the matchup is in an awful position. Any matchup in which one race is predominantly playing 1-2 base because the players are actually afraid of going for a longer game is one that has some problems. Unfortunately we don't get to see enough of those games to really get that impression. Seriously, outside of games on Alterzim, you are seeing so few long PvTs. We might even end up seeing another Terran buff because of that and then I have a feeling things will swing back in the other direction hard once Terran can regularly get to the later game without dying.

In your league this might be true.


Yes yes very cute. Call me when your bronzelogic is somehow more valid than the opinions of people like Rain, CranK and Alicia.

I'd take his bronzelogic opinion over Rain's opinion any day. I can't take someone who says that Terran was overpowered BEFORE the widowmine patch seriously.

Well depends on which patch you go back to :p Barracks before supply depot was pretty shit to play against back in the day.


Thank god no one but BitByBit realized how good it was.

He was ahead of the meta, I remember knowing nothing about the game and having that happen with reapers, when reapers were really able to fuck a worker line, and kill lings.

BoxeR build in TvT was great.

Refresh my memory, back in the day if there wasn't a Zerg involved I wasn't interested.
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
April 12 2014 19:39 GMT
#782
I wonder if San will build 4 collosus and go, just like MC instructed
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
April 12 2014 19:39 GMT
#783
A much better TvP here
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
April 12 2014 19:39 GMT
#784
On April 13 2014 04:32 nojok wrote:
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On April 13 2014 04:28 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:27 robson1 wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:27 Heavenlee wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:26 maartendq wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:23 wrier wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:19 TheDwf wrote:
I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP.
Especially because we have very minimal late game pro level TvP televised matches to go off of since the recent patch.


And why do you think that is?

Because the downright ridiculous amount of stuff Protoss can get away with currently? To give another perspective: why would you tech to late game why you know that all-ins will be 80% in your favour even if they are scouted well in advance (and even if they fail you're still in a pretty decent position)?


Yeah, that's why the winrate in PvT is 80%+ right? Makes sense. Oh wait, it's even if not terran favored last month.


Based on what. Your Ladder with Protoss?


This :



From 55% winrate to 49% in PvT and protoss have yet to really adapt to the nerf. Maybe it's a trend and will accentuate but crying to OP right now is rather childish.


Problem is aligulac uses a lot of games which is usually good since you get a good sample size. BUT you also get a lot of korean vs foreigner games. I mean Jjakji supposedly has the best vP in the world from aligulac but he actually has a losing record in 2014 vs Korean protoss. He has such a high ranking due to beating a lot of foreigner Ps. But the reverse isn't true since San/MC/Stardust don't have as much opportunities to play foreign terrans because there just as much foreigner terrans in the scene right now.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8245 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#785
TERRAN! THANK YOU!
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#786
On April 13 2014 04:39 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:38 Aeromi wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:38 ThomasjServo wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:36 stuchiu wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:35 ThomasjServo wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:34 royalroadweed wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:14 Frex wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:12 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:10 Qwerty85 wrote:
[quote]

You cant be serious TB.


Yeah what would I know, I'm only posting the opinions of top Korean protoss players. I can't possibly know what's going on.


Terran is strong in later stages right now. But do you feel this match-up is in good position then?

I mean if all these complaints are true from these pro protoss players then I guess series like these will get much more popular.



No the matchup is in an awful position. Any matchup in which one race is predominantly playing 1-2 base because the players are actually afraid of going for a longer game is one that has some problems. Unfortunately we don't get to see enough of those games to really get that impression. Seriously, outside of games on Alterzim, you are seeing so few long PvTs. We might even end up seeing another Terran buff because of that and then I have a feeling things will swing back in the other direction hard once Terran can regularly get to the later game without dying.

In your league this might be true.


Yes yes very cute. Call me when your bronzelogic is somehow more valid than the opinions of people like Rain, CranK and Alicia.

I'd take his bronzelogic opinion over Rain's opinion any day. I can't take someone who says that Terran was overpowered BEFORE the widowmine patch seriously.

Well depends on which patch you go back to :p Barracks before supply depot was pretty shit to play against back in the day.


Thank god no one but BitByBit realized how good it was.

He was ahead of the meta, I remember knowing nothing about the game and having that happen with reapers, when reapers were really able to fuck a worker line, and kill lings.

BoxeR build in TvT was great.

Refresh my memory, back in the day if there wasn't a Zerg involved I wasn't interested.

Reapers into hellions into medivacs on one base. You also research the reaper upgrade.
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#787
MMA, takes it like a boss. Rematch inc.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#788
MMA - All Muscle
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#789
wooo mma
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#790
This move out was too fast. He should have waited for 2/2 till he got the third.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#791
That was a Polt level engagement from MMA.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#792
Dafuq.. MMA made that look easy...
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#793
On April 13 2014 04:36 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:33 The_Templar wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:29 The_Templar wrote:
WCS EU Premier RO4

(T)MMA vs (P)San
0-0


Map: Heavy Rain


San spawns in the bottom
MMA spawns in the top

2:00
Fast gas after barracks for MMA.
San getting a slightly later assimilator after his gateway.

3:00
Cybernetics core on the way for San.
MMA getting a reactor on his barracks.
Two reapers for MMA.
San gets his natural nexus down.
Mothership core being chronoboosted out.
MMA expanding.

4:00
Two more reapers for MMA. Mass reaper TvP?
Stalker on the way for San.
One reaper walks into the main base of San.
Twilight council is seen by the reaper.
MMA switches to marines.

5:00
Two more barracks finishing for MMA.
4 reapers walk into the main and kill a stalker and a probe or two.
Reapers die to overcharge + good building placement.

6:00
Blink for San.
MMA researching stim.
MMA breaking the closer rock tower.
Proxy pylon for San. The probe reveals itself.

7:00 (T)MMA 54 vs (P)San 42
San only going up to 3 gateways.
Robotics facility for San.
San breaks his rock tower.
San cancelled his proxy pylon.

8:00 (T)MMA 65 vs (P)San 54
Engineering bay for MMA.
MMA going for some pressure.
MMA trying to force overcharge but San is threatening to lock him in with FFs.
MMA stimming in anyway.

9:00 (T)MMA 70 vs (P)San 64
FF on the main ramp.
MMA is pushed back.
Double forge for San.
MMA getting a starport.
MMA getting +1 attack and concussive shells.
MMA getting a third CC.

10:00 (T)MMA 77 vs (P)San 76
Robotics bay for San.
Two more gateways on the way.
MMA building two more barracks.
MMA adding on medivacs.
MMA scans the main of San again.

11:00 (T)MMA 96 vs (P)San 91
MMA loads up two medivacs.
San scouts a suspiciously small army with his observer.
San sends a probe to bottom left and sees the drop coming.
Charge and extended thermal lance for San.

12:00 (T)MMA 115 vs (P)San 105
MMA moving down the center.
Armory + widow mines for MMA.
MMA drops the main, unpowering a gateway and the cybernetics core.

13:00
FPV of MMA shows good multitasking.
Colossus has finished for San.
MMA adding on vikings.
+2/2 for San.
+2/2 for MMA.

14:00 (T)MMA 148 vs (P)San 130
San nearly walks right into widow mines with his army.
MMA still preparing an attack.
Both players taking a third bas.
MMA going in with a huge concave.

15:00 (T)MMA 169 vs (P)San 142
San loses both colossi as he gets surrounded.
San GG's!
MMA takes a 1-0 lead!
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urasyupi2
Profile Joined August 2011
United States810 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#794
GG MMA, very smooth.
hemeh
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#795
SIK
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#796
that setup from MMA!!
Niko_Thien
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany2671 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#797
Oh yeah MMA
@Niko_Thien on twitter!
B-rye88
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada168 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#798
That looked simple as all hell.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#799
Man that looked solid, gogo MMA!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#800
I met MMA's lost twin earlier today
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