EPTMost exited for this one. If they both play at their best level, we could have the best games of 2014 right here. Then again, if they don't it could be the worst clusterfuck ever...
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
Most exited for this one. If they both play at their best level, we could have the best games of 2014 right here. Then again, if they don't it could be the worst clusterfuck ever... | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:14 TotalBiscuit wrote: The meta moves slowly, community common knowledge moves even slower than that. There's a reason a lot of pros are saying Terran will be winning everything in a few months and also a reason Protoss players are not playing long games against them. The community has a tendency to call OP on something long after that's actually the case. It's almost like none of us play the game | ||
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Fhiz
361 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:12 sharkie wrote: Haha...? Terrans need to play perfectly to have a chance vs late game toss EMPs, hello. I hadn't seen Protoss winning in late game against Terran since sOs smashing jjakji with carriers on Alterzim. Protoss are in Zerg position before mine nerf last year right now. Or you win before there are too many mines or you can just leave. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:12 TotalBiscuit wrote: Yeah what would I know, I'm only posting the opinions of top Korean protoss players. I can't possibly know what's going on. LR threads smarter than progamers. There is the slim possibility that a progamer might be biased towards his own race. Just food for thought. I get though that it is very hard to play against mines, Zerg had to learn the hard way in the past. It is all about adapting your playstyle. I'm very certain that in a few months time (assuming there are no patches, so the meta can settle down), no Protoss will make the claim that mines are imba in late game. Hard to play against, sure, but that is how it should be. | ||
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Aeromi
France14463 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:16 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: EMPs, hello. I hadn't seen Protoss winning in late game against Terran since sOs smashing jjakji with carriers on Alterzim. Protoss are in Zerg position before mine nerf last year right now. Or you win before there are too many mines or you can just leave. I did not see a late TvP since sOs vs jjakji on Alterzim though. | ||
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Bizeheryer
Germany307 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote: Why would they, they'll lose. You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine. In your league this might be true. User was warned for this post | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:16 ACrow wrote: There is the slim possibility that a progamer might be biased towards his own race. Just food for thought. I get though that it is very hard to play against mines, Zerg had to learn the hard way in the past. It is all about adapting your playstyle. I'm very certain that in a few months time (assuming there are no patches, so the meta can settle down), no Protoss will make the claim that mines are imba in late game. Hard to play against, sure, but that is how it should be. I would value the biased opinion of a progamer over the TL LR threads any day. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18759 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:16 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: EMPs, hello. I hadn't seen Protoss winning in late game against Terran since sOs smashing jjakji with carriers on Alterzim. Protoss are in Zerg position before mine nerf last year right now. Or you win before there are too many mines or you can just leave. Give me late game terrans winning vs protoss then? | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:14 TotalBiscuit wrote: The meta moves slowly, community common knowledge moves even slower than that. There's a reason a lot of pros are saying Terran will be winning everything in a few months and also a reason Protoss players are not playing long games against them. The community has a tendency to call OP on something long after that's actually the case. You may be right but allow us to tell that it's not been that obvious so far. | ||
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Fhiz
361 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:14 Frex wrote: Terran is strong in later stages right now. But do you feel this match-up is in good position then? I mean if all these complaints are true from these pro protoss players then I guess series like these will get much more popular. No the matchup is in an awful position. Any matchup in which one race is predominantly playing 1-2 base because the players are actually afraid of going for a longer game is one that has some problems. Unfortunately we don't get to see enough of those games to really get that impression. Seriously, outside of games on Alterzim, you are seeing so few long PvTs. We might even end up seeing another Terran buff because of that and then I have a feeling things will swing back in the other direction hard once Terran can regularly get to the later game without dying. In your league this might be true. Yes yes very cute. Call me when your bronzelogic is somehow more valid than the opinions of people like Rain, CranK and Alicia. | ||
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robson1
3632 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:14 TotalBiscuit wrote: The meta moves slowly, community common knowledge moves even slower than that. There's a reason a lot of pros are saying Terran will be winning everything in a few months and also a reason Protoss players are not playing long games against them. The community has a tendency to call OP on something long after that's actually the case. While this is correct, i still saw the Code A games and Terran didn't seem like the new master race to me, and guys like Super and Ruin looked comfortable in the macro game against Terrans. Also since the meta does fluctuate I think it's pretty unreasonable to predict if Terran(or any other race) is going to win everything in 3-4 months from now. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:15 PPN wrote: You sure never saw MC off racing on stream. I don't know about Terran but MC is pretty good with Zerg. He even was used as a Zerg training partner by some korean players. If people think MC wins because of the so-called "Power of Protoss", they are out of their mind. IIRC, last year MVP had to play a TvZ for wcs eu final, and MC was his zerg practice partner for the weeks leading up to it. | ||
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FuRRie
Belgium815 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:15 PPN wrote: You sure never saw MC off racing on stream. I don't know about Terran but MC is pretty good with Zerg. He even was used as a Zerg training partner by some korean players. If people think MC wins because of the so-called "Power of Protoss", they are out of their mind. Quite a few progamers have very strong off-race plays. Even to the extend that they would defeat a large chunck of the foreigners with their off-race. IF MC would play Zerg or Terran you would see a lot of bane busts/SCV-pulls though (which I don't mind at all). | ||
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w3c.TruE
Czech Republic1055 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:12 TotalBiscuit wrote: Yeah what would I know, I'm only posting the opinions of top Korean protoss players. I can't possibly know what's going on. LR threads smarter than progamers. Yeah, you would think, that Korean progamers know about game more than Bronze-Gold guys from TL forums? Silly you... | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:14 TotalBiscuit wrote: The meta moves slowly, community common knowledge moves even slower than that. There's a reason a lot of pros are saying Terran will be winning everything in a few months and also a reason Protoss players are not playing long games against them. The community has a tendency to call OP on something long after that's actually the case. In a few months, i.e. after another balance patch. Seriously, we're at a point where protoss can practically fuck up early game and still can't be punished. Honestly, I consider oracles in the same category as 2010-reapers broken, with the main difference that oracles did not get nerfed into oblivion. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
lets attack the personalities when they try to engage with the community, that sounds like a good idea | ||
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sage_francis
France1823 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:12 TotalBiscuit wrote: Yeah what would I know, I'm only posting the opinions of top Korean protoss players. I can't possibly know what's going on. LR threads smarter than progamers. Im not sure if alicia and crank are top korean protoss players tbh, but whatever, their opinion is kind of wothless without the opinion of their terrans counterparts. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:15 opisska wrote: MC-MMA finals would be so incredibly oldschool. The forgotten age of SC2 lives again in a mystical country of the West. Forgotten from 5 months ago? yeh  | ||
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