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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Oh you guys are right. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:21 The_Templar wrote: Neither play can win --> game ends in <10 minutes by default I can live with that. It lets us move on to more sexy matchups. | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:14 TotalBiscuit wrote: The meta moves slowly, community common knowledge moves even slower than that. There's a reason a lot of pros are saying Terran will be winning everything in a few months and also a reason Protoss players are not playing long games against them. The community has a tendency to call OP on something long after that's actually the case. Meta moves slowly, but pro gamers who have to learn how the game has to be played when there are new patch also. It took a lot of time for the zerg to know how to play and micro against widow mine, then it took a lot of time for terran to know how to play without biomines when the mine has been nerfed. Yes, protoss struggles more in the mid game right now but if they pass that moment they are still very strong in the late game and we start to see more games where the protoss is able to fully defend the agression (as Ruin did for example in code A). And the analogy with ZvT infestor brood lords is completely wrong, even if we assume that bio mines was indeed broken in mid to late game(even if I don't see it right now), because protoss all in are by far way stronger than terran all in were at the time. | ||
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wrier
Canada291 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:19 TheDwf wrote: Especially because we have very minimal late game pro level TvP televised matches to go off of since the recent patch.I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:19 TotalBiscuit wrote: Please provide recent examples of games to prove your assertion. I'd love to see all these recent long PvTs that Terran are losing on a regular basis since the patch. Just watch Sora vs Bogus or Maru vs Zest on Frost and tell me what you think about Protoss' position before they decided to throw the game... | ||
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Fhiz
361 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:19 TheDwf wrote: I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP. you cant deny that its much better than it was especially now with WMs vs high templar | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:23 wrier wrote: Especially because we have very minimal late game pro level TvP televised matches to go off of since the recent patch. And why do you think that is? | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:23 AlternativeEgo wrote: I can live with that. It lets us move on to more sexy matchups. Like PvP! | ||
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FuRRie
Belgium815 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:22 Aeromi wrote: I did not have the opportunity to watch these games, I was at college. Who won by the way ? Bogus and Maru after a huge blunder from their opponents. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:22 Aeromi wrote: I did not have the opportunity to watch these games, I was at college. Who won by the way ? Maru, it was in Code S Ro16, i assume, hadn't watched but as i remember, Maru lost only on Daedalus in shortest game ever :D But i watched his games against Dear in same group and Dear was just rolled on those mines, playing even with hidden base. And going late game against InNoVation was always hard task. | ||
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robson1
3632 Posts
Because Terran does not get into the late game. | ||
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SpawnMoarOverlords
400 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:21 TotalBiscuit wrote: After WCS is over I think I'll ask the team to write up some lengthier thoughts on this subject. Terran included. That'd be great.  Thank you for everything you do for SC2 <3 | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18697 Posts
neither race wants to go into late game | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
Are you a member of the church of sata... I mean Olli? | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:23 Fhiz wrote: you cant deny that its much better than it was especially now with WMs vs high templar We're talking about lategame. Mines are not even used in lategame. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:17 nkr wrote: I would value the biased opinion of a progamer over the TL LR threads any day. Sure they know a whole lot more than either of us, but that doesn't prevent you from thinking for yourself, trusting your eyes, hard facts and factoring in the motivations and backgrounds used by the other person to gauge their opinion. I'm just not a big fan of authoritive reasoning ("this is so because xyz said so", "this is so because I said so") but rather a fan of thinking for myself. Please note: I think he is actually right, that right now at this very moment in the meta many Protoss pros consider lategame versus T as very hard, if not borderline broken. I also think that it is just a normal phase of adapting, and once they figure out how to properly play against mines (I surely cannot, but I'm sure they can eventually), late game PvT might balance out, hopefully without the big advantage that P used to have in that phase. We'll see. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
San vetos Daedalus Point. | ||
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