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I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP.
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On April 13 2014 04:17 Bizeheryer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote:
last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^ Why would they, they'll lose. You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine. In your league this might be true.
You seem like a nice fellow.
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On April 13 2014 04:18 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:17 Bizeheryer wrote:On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote:
last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^ Why would they, they'll lose. You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine. In your league this might be true. lets attack the personalities when they try to engage with the community, that sounds like a good idea
You basically described all this forum ever does. And people like to think I don't have a thick skin. I've put up with you fuckers for over 4 years, my skin is iron.
I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP.
Please provide recent examples of games to prove your assertion. I'd love to see all these recent long PvTs that Terran are losing on a regular basis since the patch.
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On April 13 2014 04:17 Bizeheryer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote:
last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^ Why would they, they'll lose. You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine. In your league this might be true.
You're such a douche.
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So terran couldn't win the late-game due to all the area of effect damage and now protoss can't win? That's some hardcore swinging
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On April 13 2014 04:19 TheDwf wrote:
I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP.
Don't push it or they'll decide that it's also true for early game.
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Why would terran get exponentially better late game tvp when they are literally forced to build the exact same units as early game? Terran are the ones who are scv pulling to try and win before collosi + storm.
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On April 13 2014 04:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:18 nkr wrote:On April 13 2014 04:17 Bizeheryer wrote:On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote:
last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^ Why would they, they'll lose. You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine. In your league this might be true. lets attack the personalities when they try to engage with the community, that sounds like a good idea You basically described all this forum ever does. And people like to think I don't have a thick skin. I've put up with you fuckers for over 4 years, my skin is iron.
Just remember the good guys TB, We still love you <3
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On April 13 2014 04:19 sage_francis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:12 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 04:10 Qwerty85 wrote:On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote:
last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^ Why would they, they'll lose. You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine. You cant be serious TB. Yeah what would I know, I'm only posting the opinions of top Korean protoss players. I can't possibly know what's going on. LR threads smarter than progamers. Im not sure if alicia and crank are top korean protoss players tbh, but whatever, their opinion is kind of wothless without the opinion of their terrans counterparts.
Alicia hasn't dropped a series in WCS AM this season, and has beaten Oz, Revival and Bomber.
I think he knows a thing or two about this game. =)
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On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote:
last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^ Why would they, they'll lose. You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine.
But Rain also over exaggerated a lot by saying Terrans were dominating ladder and in the next season of WCS, they would dominate similar to BL/infestor era.
Even if they late game issues are true, it would make terrans more like pre Queen patch BL/infestor since there was a huge timing (from early to mid game) for the terrans to kill the zerg. The true BL/infestor era came with the Queen buff since the 6 Queen opening into mass lings into infestors shutdown all the terran early and mid game thus most zerg could get to the BL/infestor stage on even grounds. Right now, the protoss all-ins/aggression is so strong that PvT is still P favored (just like TvZ was T favored before the Queen patch)
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On April 13 2014 04:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:18 nkr wrote:On April 13 2014 04:17 Bizeheryer wrote:On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote:
last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^ Why would they, they'll lose. You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine. In your league this might be true. lets attack the personalities when they try to engage with the community, that sounds like a good idea You basically described all this forum ever does. And people like to think I don't have a thick skin. I've put up with you fuckers for over 4 years, my skin is iron. Show nested quote +I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP. Please provide recent examples of games to prove your assertion. I'd love to see all these recent long PvTs that Terran are losing on a regular basis since the patch.
are you not scared to be released from your team for the "fucks" part
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On April 13 2014 04:17 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:16 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 13 2014 04:12 sharkie wrote:On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote:
last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^ Why would they, they'll lose. You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine. Haha...? Terrans need to play perfectly to have a chance vs late game toss EMPs, hello. I hadn't seen Protoss winning in late game against Terran since sOs smashing jjakji with carriers on Alterzim. Protoss are in Zerg position before mine nerf last year right now. Or you win before there are too many mines or you can just leave. Give me late game terrans winning vs protoss then?
I hadn't seen long game in PvT for a long time either.
There is big reason that Protosses are scared to go into late game against Terrans in current conditions.
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On April 13 2014 04:20 AlternativeEgo wrote:
So terran couldn't win the late-game due to all the area of effect damage and now protoss can't win? That's some hardcore swinging
Neither play can win --> game ends in <10 minutes by default
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On April 13 2014 04:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:18 nkr wrote:On April 13 2014 04:17 Bizeheryer wrote:On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote:
last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^ Why would they, they'll lose. You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine. In your league this might be true. lets attack the personalities when they try to engage with the community, that sounds like a good idea You basically described all this forum ever does. And people like to think I don't have a thick skin. I've put up with you fuckers for over 4 years, my skin is iron. Show nested quote +I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP. Please provide recent examples of games to prove your assertion. I'd love to see all these recent long PvTs that Terran are losing on a regular basis since the patch.
No satisfying some people.
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On April 13 2014 04:17 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:16 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 13 2014 04:12 sharkie wrote:On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote:
last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^ Why would they, they'll lose. You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine. Haha...? Terrans need to play perfectly to have a chance vs late game toss EMPs, hello. I hadn't seen Protoss winning in late game against Terran since sOs smashing jjakji with carriers on Alterzim. Protoss are in Zerg position before mine nerf last year right now. Or you win before there are too many mines or you can just leave. I did not see a late TvP since sOs vs jjakji on Alterzim though.
Sora vs Bogus on Frost. Same for Maru vs Zest.
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Thanks for the insights tb, it a shame the community is so........
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On April 13 2014 04:21 Undead1993 wrote:
are you not scared to be released from your team for the "fucks" part
It's good to be the king
Thanks for the insights tb, it a shame the community is so........
After WCS is over I think I'll ask the team to write up some lengthier thoughts on this subject. Terran included.
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On April 13 2014 04:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:21 Undead1993 wrote:
are you not scared to be released from your team for the "fucks" part
It's good to be the king
i miss idra  just wanted to make him relevant in sc2 for a sec
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On April 13 2014 04:21 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:17 Aeromi wrote:On April 13 2014 04:16 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 13 2014 04:12 sharkie wrote:On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote:
last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^ Why would they, they'll lose. You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine. Haha...? Terrans need to play perfectly to have a chance vs late game toss EMPs, hello. I hadn't seen Protoss winning in late game against Terran since sOs smashing jjakji with carriers on Alterzim. Protoss are in Zerg position before mine nerf last year right now. Or you win before there are too many mines or you can just leave. I did not see a late TvP since sOs vs jjakji on Alterzim though. Sora vs Bogus on Frost. Same for Maru vs Zest.
I did not have the opportunity to watch these games, I was at college. Who won by the way ?
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On April 13 2014 04:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:18 nkr wrote:On April 13 2014 04:17 Bizeheryer wrote:On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote:
last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^ Why would they, they'll lose. You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine. In your league this might be true. lets attack the personalities when they try to engage with the community, that sounds like a good idea You basically described all this forum ever does. And people like to think I don't have a thick skin. I've put up with you fuckers for over 4 years, my skin is iron.
Most people have been pretty civil. I understand the frustration though....
I asked a question a few pages earlier, I really would like to hear if Ryung has a comment on the MU as well, if he thinks Terran is favored Lategame, or at least even. It would be very nice of you if you could answer it. (If you even talked to him about it recently obviously)
Edit: Ah so you basically answered that question like 3 seconds before i reposted it, so okay...
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