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On April 13 2014 04:20 KingofGods wrote:
Why would terran get exponentially better late game tvp when they are literally forced to build the exact same units as early game? Terran are the ones who are scv pulling to try and win before collosi + storm.
Have you watched this game in the last year and a half? wtf
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On April 13 2014 04:24 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:On April 13 2014 04:21 The_Templar wrote:On April 13 2014 04:20 AlternativeEgo wrote:
So terran couldn't win the late-game due to all the area of effect damage and now protoss can't win? That's some hardcore swinging Neither play can win --> game ends in <10 minutes by default I can live with that. It lets us move on to more sexy matchups. Like PvP!
Yikes. But that one is even faster and might involve dt shenanigans, which is cool
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On April 13 2014 04:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You basically described all this forum ever does. And people like to think I don't have a thick skin. I've put up with you fuckers for over 4 years, my skin is iron.
Only this forum? Sounds like the entire internet to me.
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On April 13 2014 04:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:19 sage_francis wrote:On April 13 2014 04:12 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 04:10 Qwerty85 wrote:On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote:
last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^ Why would they, they'll lose. You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine. You cant be serious TB. Yeah what would I know, I'm only posting the opinions of top Korean protoss players. I can't possibly know what's going on. LR threads smarter than progamers. Im not sure if alicia and crank are top korean protoss players tbh, but whatever, their opinion is kind of wothless without the opinion of their terrans counterparts. Alicia hasn't dropped a series in WCS AM this season, and has beaten Oz, Revival and Bomber. I think he knows a thing or two about this game. =)
Top players make biased arguments all the time in terms of race, match-ups, maps, other progamers, etc, I don't think that proves or disproves anything.
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On April 13 2014 04:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:23 wrier wrote:On April 13 2014 04:19 TheDwf wrote:
I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP. Especially because we have very minimal late game pro level TvP televised matches to go off of since the recent patch. And why do you think that is?
Because the downright ridiculous amount of stuff Protoss can get away with currently? To give another perspective: why would you tech to late game why you know that all-ins will be 80% in your favour even if they are scouted well in advance (and even if they fail you're still in a pretty decent position)?
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On April 13 2014 04:23 Fhiz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:19 TheDwf wrote:
I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP. you cant deny that its much better than it was especially now with WMs vs high templar
Of course you can as that advantage evaporates with colossi numbers.
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On April 13 2014 04:25 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:24 The_Templar wrote:On April 13 2014 04:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:On April 13 2014 04:21 The_Templar wrote:On April 13 2014 04:20 AlternativeEgo wrote:
So terran couldn't win the late-game due to all the area of effect damage and now protoss can't win? That's some hardcore swinging Neither play can win --> game ends in <10 minutes by default I can live with that. It lets us move on to more sexy matchups. Like PvP! Are you a member of the church of sata... I mean Olli?
No. I just happen to like all match ups. I randomly chose PvP as an example of a matchup that I like.
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On April 13 2014 04:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:14 Frex wrote:On April 13 2014 04:12 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 04:10 Qwerty85 wrote:On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote:
last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^ Why would they, they'll lose. You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine. You cant be serious TB. Yeah what would I know, I'm only posting the opinions of top Korean protoss players. I can't possibly know what's going on. Terran is strong in later stages right now. But do you feel this match-up is in good position then? I mean if all these complaints are true from these pro protoss players then I guess series like these will get much more popular. No the matchup is in an awful position. Any matchup in which one race is predominantly playing 1-2 base because the players are actually afraid of going for a longer game is one that has some problems. Unfortunately we don't get to see enough of those games to really get that impression. Seriously, outside of games on Alterzim, you are seeing so few long PvTs. We might even end up seeing another Terran buff because of that and then I have a feeling things will swing back in the other direction hard once Terran can regularly get to the later game without dying. Yes yes very cute. Call me when your bronzelogic is somehow more valid than the opinions of people like Rain, CranK and Alicia.
Dude relax, of course your Protoss player are going to say Terran is too strong. And your Terran players will say it the other way around. Anything else would not make ANY sense.
Just don't try to force your unique opinion on to others. Everybody fears the 'death ball', for a good reason..
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Are we done with the random cat fights for now? Great games coming up.
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On April 13 2014 04:22 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 04:21 Undead1993 wrote:
are you not scared to be released from your team for the "fucks" part
It's good to be the king i miss idra  just wanted to make him relevant in sc2 for a sec
MC doesn't miss idra so why should you?
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I really hope MMA wins, it wll be so cool to see him and MC back in KR for the Global Tournament. I wonder how they will do.
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On April 13 2014 04:26 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 04:23 wrier wrote:On April 13 2014 04:19 TheDwf wrote:
I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP. Especially because we have very minimal late game pro level TvP televised matches to go off of since the recent patch. And why do you think that is? Because the downright ridiculous amount of stuff Protoss can get away with currently? To give another perspective: why would you tech to late game why you know that all-ins will be 80% in your favour even if they are scouted well in advance (and even if they fail you're still in a pretty decent position)?
Yeah, that's why the winrate in PvT is 80%+ right? Makes sense. Oh wait, it's even if not terran favored last month.
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Go San, give us PvP finals!
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MMA TvP: 70.6% (12-5)
San PvT: 71.4% (5-2)
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sry. double post for some reason.
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On April 13 2014 04:27 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:26 maartendq wrote:On April 13 2014 04:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 13 2014 04:23 wrier wrote:On April 13 2014 04:19 TheDwf wrote:
I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP. Especially because we have very minimal late game pro level TvP televised matches to go off of since the recent patch. And why do you think that is? Because the downright ridiculous amount of stuff Protoss can get away with currently? To give another perspective: why would you tech to late game why you know that all-ins will be 80% in your favour even if they are scouted well in advance (and even if they fail you're still in a pretty decent position)? Yeah, that's why the winrate in PvT is 80%+ right? Makes sense. Oh wait, it's even if not terran favored last month.
Based on what. Your Ladder with Protoss?
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On April 13 2014 04:27 The_Templar wrote:
MMA TvP: 70.6% (12-5)
San PvT: 71.4% (5-2)
Oh man one of these guys' winrates might just go down the toilet.
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On April 13 2014 04:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:23 wrier wrote:On April 13 2014 04:19 TheDwf wrote:
I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP. Especially because we have very minimal late game pro level TvP televised matches to go off of since the recent patch. And why do you think that is?
Blink Stalkers (just like pre-patch) hahah
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On April 13 2014 04:23 wrier wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2014 04:19 TheDwf wrote:
I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP. Especially because we have very minimal late game pro level TvP televised matches to go off of since the recent patch.
Except the information is coming from pro players that are playing these lategame TvP's multiple times per day in their practice sessions. It's no wonder they figure shit out way before we ever realize it, they play this game for hours and hours every day.
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