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Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
April 12 2014 19:25 GMT
#701
On April 13 2014 04:20 KingofGods wrote:
Why would terran get exponentially better late game tvp when they are literally forced to build the exact same units as early game? Terran are the ones who are scv pulling to try and win before collosi + storm.


Have you watched this game in the last year and a half? wtf
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
April 12 2014 19:25 GMT
#702
On April 13 2014 04:24 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:21 The_Templar wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:20 AlternativeEgo wrote:
So terran couldn't win the late-game due to all the area of effect damage and now protoss can't win? That's some hardcore swinging

Neither play can win --> game ends in <10 minutes by default


I can live with that. It lets us move on to more sexy matchups.

Like PvP!


Yikes. But that one is even faster and might involve dt shenanigans, which is cool
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Kerence
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1817 Posts
April 12 2014 19:25 GMT
#703
On April 13 2014 04:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:

You basically described all this forum ever does. And people like to think I don't have a thick skin. I've put up with you fuckers for over 4 years, my skin is iron.


Only this forum? Sounds like the entire internet to me.
I am here in the shadows.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
April 12 2014 19:26 GMT
#704
On April 13 2014 04:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:19 sage_francis wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:12 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:10 Qwerty85 wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote:
last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^


Why would they, they'll lose.

You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine.


You cant be serious TB.


Yeah what would I know, I'm only posting the opinions of top Korean protoss players. I can't possibly know what's going on. LR threads smarter than progamers.


Im not sure if alicia and crank are top korean protoss players tbh, but whatever, their opinion is kind of wothless without the opinion of their terrans counterparts.


Alicia hasn't dropped a series in WCS AM this season, and has beaten Oz, Revival and Bomber.

I think he knows a thing or two about this game. =)


Top players make biased arguments all the time in terms of race, match-ups, maps, other progamers, etc, I don't think that proves or disproves anything.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
April 12 2014 19:26 GMT
#705
On April 13 2014 04:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:23 wrier wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:19 TheDwf wrote:
I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP.
Especially because we have very minimal late game pro level TvP televised matches to go off of since the recent patch.


And why do you think that is?

Because the downright ridiculous amount of stuff Protoss can get away with currently? To give another perspective: why would you tech to late game why you know that all-ins will be 80% in your favour even if they are scouted well in advance (and even if they fail you're still in a pretty decent position)?
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3397 Posts
April 12 2014 19:26 GMT
#706
On April 13 2014 04:23 Fhiz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:19 TheDwf wrote:
I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP.

you cant deny that its much better than it was especially now with WMs vs high templar

Of course you can as that advantage evaporates with colossi numbers.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
April 12 2014 19:26 GMT
#707
On April 13 2014 04:25 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:24 The_Templar wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:21 The_Templar wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:20 AlternativeEgo wrote:
So terran couldn't win the late-game due to all the area of effect damage and now protoss can't win? That's some hardcore swinging

Neither play can win --> game ends in <10 minutes by default


I can live with that. It lets us move on to more sexy matchups.

Like PvP!

Are you a member of the church of sata... I mean Olli?

No. I just happen to like all match ups. I randomly chose PvP as an example of a matchup that I like.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Bizeheryer
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany307 Posts
April 12 2014 19:26 GMT
#708
On April 13 2014 04:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:14 Frex wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:12 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:10 Qwerty85 wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 13 2014 03:58 sage_francis wrote:
last 8 tvp's i watched (alicia vs bomber + this), protoss never take a third ^^


Why would they, they'll lose.

You realise Rain wasn't just whining when he said Terran is OP in the matchup? He was referring to late game. Alicia and CranK told me the exact same thing, playing a macro game against a top Terran is suicide. Of course Protoss are trying to kill Terran before that point. The old "Broodlord/Infestor" analogy that Korean Protoss are making right now is surprisingly accurate. Back in the IPL5 days, Terran were trying to kill Zerg before BL/Infestor. Now Protoss are trying to kill Terran before 3/3 Biomine.


You cant be serious TB.


Yeah what would I know, I'm only posting the opinions of top Korean protoss players. I can't possibly know what's going on.


Terran is strong in later stages right now. But do you feel this match-up is in good position then?

I mean if all these complaints are true from these pro protoss players then I guess series like these will get much more popular.



No the matchup is in an awful position. Any matchup in which one race is predominantly playing 1-2 base because the players are actually afraid of going for a longer game is one that has some problems. Unfortunately we don't get to see enough of those games to really get that impression. Seriously, outside of games on Alterzim, you are seeing so few long PvTs. We might even end up seeing another Terran buff because of that and then I have a feeling things will swing back in the other direction hard once Terran can regularly get to the later game without dying.

Show nested quote +
In your league this might be true.


Yes yes very cute. Call me when your bronzelogic is somehow more valid than the opinions of people like Rain, CranK and Alicia.


Dude relax, of course your Protoss player are going to say Terran is too strong. And your Terran players will say it the other way around. Anything else would not make ANY sense.
Just don't try to force your unique opinion on to others. Everybody fears the 'death ball', for a good reason..
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
April 12 2014 19:26 GMT
#709
MMA with a Filco board?
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-12 19:26:47
April 12 2014 19:26 GMT
#710
Are we done with the random cat fights for now? Great games coming up.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 12 2014 19:26 GMT
#711
On April 13 2014 04:22 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:21 Undead1993 wrote:
are you not scared to be released from your team for the "fucks" part


It's good to be the king

i miss idra just wanted to make him relevant in sc2 for a sec


MC doesn't miss idra so why should you?
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
April 12 2014 19:26 GMT
#712
I really hope MMA wins, it wll be so cool to see him and MC back in KR for the Global Tournament. I wonder how they will do.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-12 19:27:14
April 12 2014 19:27 GMT
#713
On April 13 2014 04:26 maartendq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:23 wrier wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:19 TheDwf wrote:
I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP.
Especially because we have very minimal late game pro level TvP televised matches to go off of since the recent patch.


And why do you think that is?

Because the downright ridiculous amount of stuff Protoss can get away with currently? To give another perspective: why would you tech to late game why you know that all-ins will be 80% in your favour even if they are scouted well in advance (and even if they fail you're still in a pretty decent position)?


Yeah, that's why the winrate in PvT is 80%+ right? Makes sense. Oh wait, it's even if not terran favored last month.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 12 2014 19:27 GMT
#714
Go San, give us PvP finals!
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
April 12 2014 19:27 GMT
#715
MMA TvP: 70.6% (12-5)
San PvT: 71.4% (5-2)
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-12 19:28:04
April 12 2014 19:27 GMT
#716
sry. double post for some reason.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
April 12 2014 19:27 GMT
#717
On April 13 2014 04:27 Heavenlee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:26 maartendq wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:23 wrier wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:19 TheDwf wrote:
I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP.
Especially because we have very minimal late game pro level TvP televised matches to go off of since the recent patch.


And why do you think that is?

Because the downright ridiculous amount of stuff Protoss can get away with currently? To give another perspective: why would you tech to late game why you know that all-ins will be 80% in your favour even if they are scouted well in advance (and even if they fail you're still in a pretty decent position)?


Yeah, that's why the winrate in PvT is 80%+ right? Makes sense. Oh wait, it's even if not terran favored last month.


Based on what. Your Ladder with Protoss?
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 12 2014 19:27 GMT
#718
On April 13 2014 04:27 The_Templar wrote:
MMA TvP: 70.6% (12-5)
San PvT: 71.4% (5-2)

Oh man one of these guys' winrates might just go down the toilet.
kiss kiss fall in love
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
April 12 2014 19:27 GMT
#719
On April 13 2014 04:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:23 wrier wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:19 TheDwf wrote:
I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP.
Especially because we have very minimal late game pro level TvP televised matches to go off of since the recent patch.


And why do you think that is?


Blink Stalkers (just like pre-patch) hahah
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 12 2014 19:27 GMT
#720
On April 13 2014 04:23 wrier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:19 TheDwf wrote:
I can't believe people are seriously arguing Terran has the advantage in lategame TvP.
Especially because we have very minimal late game pro level TvP televised matches to go off of since the recent patch.


Except the information is coming from pro players that are playing these lategame TvP's multiple times per day in their practice sessions. It's no wonder they figure shit out way before we ever realize it, they play this game for hours and hours every day.
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