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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
April 10 2014 22:08 GMT
#601
On April 11 2014 07:07 Tossim111 wrote:
Pretty silly that the most scariest building in the game is worth 100 minerals and takes 17 secs to build

Bunkers take 40 seconds to build.
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
April 10 2014 22:08 GMT
#602
On April 11 2014 07:02 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 07:01 royalroadweed wrote:
On April 11 2014 06:58 Aquila- wrote:
TvP is just a guessing game. Bomber guessed incorrectly and that is why he lost...

With the exception of polt and maru. I know maru wins by virtue of sheer incredible micro. As for polt....i have no idea how he keeps winning, even from behind. Especially from behind.

TvP is indeed a guessing game if you don't bother to scout. Just like the other matchups.

What about the prior games where he did scout and still lost to cheese? Plus I can see why he didn't bother scv scouting on frost. Protoss likely has units by the time the scv reaches his base if you find his base last. No excuse for not scanning though.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
FuRRie
Profile Joined February 2009
Belgium815 Posts
April 10 2014 22:08 GMT
#603
On April 11 2014 07:06 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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On April 11 2014 07:06 FuRRie wrote:
I never understood the rage for cheese/all-in/...

You play to win, you play out your own strenghts, and if possible into the opponents weaknesses.



It's only ok to cheese/all-in if you're a player that people like.


ah right, fanboyism, I forgot about that little factoid.

I just wanna see fun games with a wonky strat, and some upsets now and then. :D
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 10 2014 22:08 GMT
#604
On April 11 2014 07:07 BlackCompany wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 07:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 11 2014 07:04 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 11 2014 07:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 11 2014 07:00 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 11 2014 07:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 11 2014 06:59 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 11 2014 06:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 11 2014 06:57 Schelim wrote:
On April 11 2014 06:56 Shellshock wrote:
[quote]
worst 10k post ever

actually that's a great one. what will your 100k post be when you reach it next week?


LR thread spam, just like another 99k of them.

I'm sure he's really broken up about someone talking down on the quality of his posts coming from a guy who gets constantly banned for being an ass.


LOL y'all have no idea how much I abuse Shellbot in the Aligulac chat. xD

That's true we have no idea. Thanks for sharing.


RIP friendly banter. x_x

It's difficult to tell with you


I've never had a legitimate argument or fight with Shellbot, so that's a thing I guess. :s


You better start getting used to fighting with robots because sooner or later Skynet will try to kill us


Don't worry. We're countering that threat with a zombie apocalypse and then counter that threat with a massive natural disaster and then counter that with a meteor that will hit earth and then counter that with 30 oil drillers and 1 astronaut.
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
April 10 2014 22:08 GMT
#605
On April 11 2014 07:08 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 07:07 Tossim111 wrote:
Pretty silly that the most scariest building in the game is worth 100 minerals and takes 17 secs to build

Bunkers take 40 seconds to build.

He's talking about pylons! Capt. Obvious F T W !
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 10 2014 22:08 GMT
#606
On April 11 2014 07:07 BlackCompany wrote:
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On April 11 2014 07:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 11 2014 07:04 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 11 2014 07:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 11 2014 07:00 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 11 2014 07:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 11 2014 06:59 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 11 2014 06:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 11 2014 06:57 Schelim wrote:
On April 11 2014 06:56 Shellshock wrote:
[quote]
worst 10k post ever

actually that's a great one. what will your 100k post be when you reach it next week?


LR thread spam, just like another 99k of them.

I'm sure he's really broken up about someone talking down on the quality of his posts coming from a guy who gets constantly banned for being an ass.


LOL y'all have no idea how much I abuse Shellbot in the Aligulac chat. xD

That's true we have no idea. Thanks for sharing.


RIP friendly banter. x_x

It's difficult to tell with you


I've never had a legitimate argument or fight with Shellbot, so that's a thing I guess. :s


You better start getting used to fighting with robots because sooner or later Skynet will try to kill us

Shellnet will never try to kill us <3
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Tossim111
Profile Joined October 2009
United States246 Posts
April 10 2014 22:09 GMT
#607
On April 11 2014 07:06 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 07:05 Yorkie wrote:
On April 11 2014 07:03 SC2Toastie wrote:
On April 11 2014 07:02 Yorkie wrote:
On April 11 2014 07:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 11 2014 06:59 Yorkie wrote:
The only thing Alicia scouted was Bomber's location, so don't get on "Bomber should've scouted." If he only scouted Alicia's location he wouldn't have known it was an 8 gate. he chose the most likely all-in, and it didn't work because forcefield and timewarp provide for an impossible predicament for terrans with narrow ramps


"I should be able to defend every Protoss all-in with just one bunker and no scouting, otherwise Protoss op"

What could he have scouted?! He puts down 7 gates, then 30 seconds later he's warping in units. Bomber can't just blindly make 3 bunkers at his nat. What if Alicia goes double forge instead of the gates with really heavy eco play? What if he goes blink? What if he goes DT? Like I said, all bomber could do was pick the most likely scenario and prepare appropriately with a bunker in the main and nat

Or, you know, scout.

I will ask one more time. Slowly. Scout...what?

At all.

7 Gateways in a main.

No gasses at natural.

Pylons near your base.

Nexus?

Seriously. Stop whining.


*Scouts 7 gates at 8 minutes... prepare for blink all in
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
April 10 2014 22:09 GMT
#608
On April 11 2014 07:08 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 07:07 Tossim111 wrote:
Pretty silly that the most scariest building in the game is worth 100 minerals and takes 17 secs to build

Bunkers take 40 seconds to build.


Sounds a bit too short, tbh. Nerf plz
Cogito, ergo toss.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 10 2014 22:09 GMT
#609
On April 11 2014 07:07 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 07:06 FuRRie wrote:
I never understood the rage for cheese/all-in/...

You play to win, you play out your own strenghts, and if possible into the opponents weaknesses.


I like longer games as well, all ins are pretty black/white in who wins or loses usually. And a series of 5 all ins is boring to watch... It's usually waitwaitwait ah he's gonna win wait wait he won ezpz thanks for those 15 minuts.


If there's one thing I'll concede, it's that more cheesy games should turn out like Mvp vs Squirtle on Atlantis Spaceship.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 10 2014 22:09 GMT
#610
On April 11 2014 07:06 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 07:05 Yorkie wrote:
On April 11 2014 07:03 SC2Toastie wrote:
On April 11 2014 07:02 Yorkie wrote:
On April 11 2014 07:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 11 2014 06:59 Yorkie wrote:
The only thing Alicia scouted was Bomber's location, so don't get on "Bomber should've scouted." If he only scouted Alicia's location he wouldn't have known it was an 8 gate. he chose the most likely all-in, and it didn't work because forcefield and timewarp provide for an impossible predicament for terrans with narrow ramps


"I should be able to defend every Protoss all-in with just one bunker and no scouting, otherwise Protoss op"

What could he have scouted?! He puts down 7 gates, then 30 seconds later he's warping in units. Bomber can't just blindly make 3 bunkers at his nat. What if Alicia goes double forge instead of the gates with really heavy eco play? What if he goes blink? What if he goes DT? Like I said, all bomber could do was pick the most likely scenario and prepare appropriately with a bunker in the main and nat

Or, you know, scout.

I will ask one more time. Slowly. Scout...what?

At all.

7 Gateways in a main.

No gasses at natural.

Pylons near your base.

Nexus?

Seriously. Stop whining.

Sneak an scv into the natural which would die so thats out. Scan the main at the right time even though three of the gates could've just as easily been in the natural. Or the twilight could have been in the natural. I'm just saying it wasn't all because of no scouting
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
April 10 2014 22:09 GMT
#611
Thing with Polt is that he has a different approach to StarCraft in general. He's so into tactic, thinking through games, not especially relying on builds but on forcing the opponent to play his game. That's kind of great vs. a cheesy player, because you cannot surprise Polt easily since his scouting patterns and understanding of the smallest factors are just tight. Bomber appears to be a reactive player, and if you show the wrong reaction or are simply too late, you die.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 10 2014 22:09 GMT
#612
The main issue here is that I am now sub 50% on predictions so far.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 10 2014 22:10 GMT
#613
On April 11 2014 07:09 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 07:07 SC2Toastie wrote:
On April 11 2014 07:06 FuRRie wrote:
I never understood the rage for cheese/all-in/...

You play to win, you play out your own strenghts, and if possible into the opponents weaknesses.


I like longer games as well, all ins are pretty black/white in who wins or loses usually. And a series of 5 all ins is boring to watch... It's usually waitwaitwait ah he's gonna win wait wait he won ezpz thanks for those 15 minuts.


If there's one thing I'll concede, it's that more cheesy games should turn out like Mvp vs Squirtle on Atlantis Spaceship.


It took him 6 games to set that up.
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
April 10 2014 22:10 GMT
#614
On April 11 2014 07:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 06:59 Yorkie wrote:
The only thing Alicia scouted was Bomber's location, so don't get on "Bomber should've scouted." If he only scouted Alicia's location he wouldn't have known it was an 8 gate. he chose the most likely all-in, and it didn't work because forcefield and timewarp provide for an impossible predicament for terrans with narrow ramps


"I should be able to defend every Protoss all-in with just one bunker and no scouting, otherwise Protoss op"


actually P defends every all in without scouting by playing safe in pvt.
Zest fanboy.
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 10 2014 22:10 GMT
#615
On April 11 2014 07:00 partydude89 wrote:
I want Alicia to lose. I don't care who wins anymore, i just want Alicia to be out.


Butthurt much?
Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
April 10 2014 22:10 GMT
#616
These games are all irrelevant anyways. Polt is going to win WCS AM regardless of who makes the finals
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-10 22:10:39
April 10 2014 22:10 GMT
#617
On April 11 2014 07:08 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 07:02 SC2Toastie wrote:
On April 11 2014 07:01 royalroadweed wrote:
On April 11 2014 06:58 Aquila- wrote:
TvP is just a guessing game. Bomber guessed incorrectly and that is why he lost...

With the exception of polt and maru. I know maru wins by virtue of sheer incredible micro. As for polt....i have no idea how he keeps winning, even from behind. Especially from behind.

TvP is indeed a guessing game if you don't bother to scout. Just like the other matchups.

What about the prior games where he did scout and still lost to cheese? Plus I can see why he didn't bother scv scouting on frost. Protoss likely has units by the time the scv reaches his base if you find his base last. No excuse for not scanning though.

Like, which games, exactly?
Habitation he didn't scout it.
Polar Night he died because he played too defensive
Yeonsu pylon held, misplay by Alicia
Frost no scout
Forgot the last game already xD

Ah, Heavy Rain, in which he scouted the all in and won?

pattern?
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 10 2014 22:10 GMT
#618
On April 11 2014 07:09 Darkhorse wrote:
The main issue here is that I am now sub 50% on predictions so far.


I'm 0-3 and extremely happy with it.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
April 10 2014 22:10 GMT
#619
camera work so meta.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
April 10 2014 22:10 GMT
#620
On April 11 2014 07:01 Negius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 07:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 11 2014 06:59 Yorkie wrote:
The only thing Alicia scouted was Bomber's location, so don't get on "Bomber should've scouted." If he only scouted Alicia's location he wouldn't have known it was an 8 gate. he chose the most likely all-in, and it didn't work because forcefield and timewarp provide for an impossible predicament for terrans with narrow ramps


"I should be able to defend every Protoss all-in with just one bunker and no scouting, otherwise Protoss op"


This. Bomber didn't scout. I like him, but that was the mistake that cost him the game.


Oh come on. It comes down to protoss deciding to do a build order because he knows it is 12 repaer expand or maybe cc 1st on big 4 player maps 99% of the time and the rest is up to the terran. If you manage to scout you have a chance of winning, if you don't you straight up lose. Protoss has little to worry about.

Early game should be neutral not favored for any race because it sets the pace for the rest of the game. And the early game TvP is just very unforgiving for terran, reducing the problem just to scouting when you are watching pro level players is such a dumb argument.

Even if Bomber went for a 12/12 reaper expo to have better scouting he would still behind against a player who went for a nexus 1st build. 12/12 is not really economical build, especially compared to nexus 1st.....

Yes, you can get a better or worse end of a build order in any matchup but TvP is specific because terran is forced to go into 12/12 basically every game, you don't have much choice about it.
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