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On April 11 2014 07:02 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2014 07:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 11 2014 06:59 Yorkie wrote:
The only thing Alicia scouted was Bomber's location, so don't get on "Bomber should've scouted." If he only scouted Alicia's location he wouldn't have known it was an 8 gate. he chose the most likely all-in, and it didn't work because forcefield and timewarp provide for an impossible predicament for terrans with narrow ramps "I should be able to defend every Protoss all-in with just one bunker and no scouting, otherwise Protoss op" What could he have scouted?! He puts down 7 gates, then 30 seconds later he's warping in units. Bomber can't just blindly make 3 bunkers at his nat. What if Alicia goes double forge instead of the gates with really heavy eco play? What if he goes blink? What if he goes DT? Like I said, all bomber could do was pick the most likely scenario and prepare appropriately with a bunker in the main and nat
Something else to consider is that absolutely nothing forces Protoss to builds the gates in his main.
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On April 11 2014 07:03 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2014 07:02 Yorkie wrote:On April 11 2014 07:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 11 2014 06:59 Yorkie wrote:
The only thing Alicia scouted was Bomber's location, so don't get on "Bomber should've scouted." If he only scouted Alicia's location he wouldn't have known it was an 8 gate. he chose the most likely all-in, and it didn't work because forcefield and timewarp provide for an impossible predicament for terrans with narrow ramps "I should be able to defend every Protoss all-in with just one bunker and no scouting, otherwise Protoss op" What could he have scouted?! He puts down 7 gates, then 30 seconds later he's warping in units. Bomber can't just blindly make 3 bunkers at his nat. What if Alicia goes double forge instead of the gates with really heavy eco play? What if he goes blink? What if he goes DT? Like I said, all bomber could do was pick the most likely scenario and prepare appropriately with a bunker in the main and nat Or, you know, scout.
I will ask one more time. Slowly. Scout...what?
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I'm pretty sure I've been banned for less worse things than people say over here -,-
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On April 11 2014 06:58 Aquila- wrote:
TvP is just a guessing game. Bomber guessed incorrectly and that is why he lost...
No in this case, he had to guess because he actually did not scout. If you can't tell the difference between a blink all-in and a 7gates (hint: one has a shit ton of sentries, the other only stalkers) then yeah you die and you deserve it. Not the first time Bomber is caught dying to an unscouted all-in, not the last.
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On April 11 2014 07:02 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2014 07:01 royalroadweed wrote:On April 11 2014 06:58 Aquila- wrote:
TvP is just a guessing game. Bomber guessed incorrectly and that is why he lost... With the exception of polt and maru. I know maru wins by virtue of sheer incredible micro. As for polt....i have no idea how he keeps winning, even from behind. Especially from behind. TvP is indeed a guessing game if you don't bother to scout. Just like the other matchups.
Even if the all-in is scouted on time, it is really hard to hold off apparently. It's a guessing game how many units are needed up the ramp and down the ramp. Forcefield and Timewarp will slow them down or cut reinforcements off completely. I have no idea how to fix this, but it's just frustrating to watch.
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GG. This and more ruined a pretty good day.
Sibal.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 11 2014 07:05 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2014 07:03 SC2Toastie wrote:On April 11 2014 07:02 Yorkie wrote:On April 11 2014 07:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 11 2014 06:59 Yorkie wrote:
The only thing Alicia scouted was Bomber's location, so don't get on "Bomber should've scouted." If he only scouted Alicia's location he wouldn't have known it was an 8 gate. he chose the most likely all-in, and it didn't work because forcefield and timewarp provide for an impossible predicament for terrans with narrow ramps "I should be able to defend every Protoss all-in with just one bunker and no scouting, otherwise Protoss op" What could he have scouted?! He puts down 7 gates, then 30 seconds later he's warping in units. Bomber can't just blindly make 3 bunkers at his nat. What if Alicia goes double forge instead of the gates with really heavy eco play? What if he goes blink? What if he goes DT? Like I said, all bomber could do was pick the most likely scenario and prepare appropriately with a bunker in the main and nat Or, you know, scout. I will ask one more time. Slowly. Scout...what?
The 2 gasses at the nat give it away that its a gate way all in usually.
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I never understood the rage for cheese/all-in/...
You play to win, you play out your own strenghts, and if possible into the opponents weaknesses.
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On April 11 2014 07:05 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2014 07:03 SC2Toastie wrote:On April 11 2014 07:02 Yorkie wrote:On April 11 2014 07:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 11 2014 06:59 Yorkie wrote:
The only thing Alicia scouted was Bomber's location, so don't get on "Bomber should've scouted." If he only scouted Alicia's location he wouldn't have known it was an 8 gate. he chose the most likely all-in, and it didn't work because forcefield and timewarp provide for an impossible predicament for terrans with narrow ramps "I should be able to defend every Protoss all-in with just one bunker and no scouting, otherwise Protoss op" What could he have scouted?! He puts down 7 gates, then 30 seconds later he's warping in units. Bomber can't just blindly make 3 bunkers at his nat. What if Alicia goes double forge instead of the gates with really heavy eco play? What if he goes blink? What if he goes DT? Like I said, all bomber could do was pick the most likely scenario and prepare appropriately with a bunker in the main and nat Or, you know, scout. I will ask one more time. Slowly. Scout...what?
At all.
7 Gateways in a main.
No gasses at natural.
Pylons near your base.
Nexus?
Seriously. Stop whining.
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On April 11 2014 07:01 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2014 06:55 Shellshock wrote:
being mad at alicia for all inning is just silly. You're playing against Bomber, a guy who is known for being an extremely strong macro player that just churns out parade pushes. the same guy who has shown susceptibility to all ins already when he lost to players like Arthur. HOW SHOULD I APPROACH THIS MATCH IF I WANT TO WIN? I should play to Bomber's strengths and go macro right? ask yourself why there is no terran insane in tvp nowadays.
We are coming out of a period of clear imbalance into a period that is yet undefined. Nowadays doesn't exist yet.
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On April 11 2014 07:05 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2014 07:03 SC2Toastie wrote:On April 11 2014 07:02 Yorkie wrote:On April 11 2014 07:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 11 2014 06:59 Yorkie wrote:
The only thing Alicia scouted was Bomber's location, so don't get on "Bomber should've scouted." If he only scouted Alicia's location he wouldn't have known it was an 8 gate. he chose the most likely all-in, and it didn't work because forcefield and timewarp provide for an impossible predicament for terrans with narrow ramps "I should be able to defend every Protoss all-in with just one bunker and no scouting, otherwise Protoss op" What could he have scouted?! He puts down 7 gates, then 30 seconds later he's warping in units. Bomber can't just blindly make 3 bunkers at his nat. What if Alicia goes double forge instead of the gates with really heavy eco play? What if he goes blink? What if he goes DT? Like I said, all bomber could do was pick the most likely scenario and prepare appropriately with a bunker in the main and nat Or, you know, scout. I will ask one more time. Slowly. Scout...what?
Use a scan, or an scv... A marine to check for pylons nearby when you've done no scouting in the whole game is also advised.
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On April 11 2014 07:06 FuRRie wrote:
I never understood the rage for cheese/all-in/...
You play to win, you play out your own strenghts, and if possible into the opponents weaknesses.
It's only ok to cheese/all-in if you're a player that people like. 
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On April 11 2014 07:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2014 07:04 Darkhorse wrote:On April 11 2014 07:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 11 2014 07:00 Darkhorse wrote:On April 11 2014 07:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 11 2014 06:59 Darkhorse wrote:On April 11 2014 06:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 11 2014 06:57 Schelim wrote:On April 11 2014 06:56 Shellshock wrote:On April 11 2014 06:55 Wintex wrote:
I love you, Bomber.
SC2 does not deserve you. worst 10k post ever actually that's a great one. what will your 100k post be when you reach it next week? LR thread spam, just like another 99k of them.  I'm sure he's really broken up about someone talking down on the quality of his posts coming from a guy who gets constantly banned for being an ass. LOL y'all have no idea how much I abuse Shellbot in the Aligulac chat. xD That's true we have no idea. Thanks for sharing. RIP friendly banter. x_x It's difficult to tell with you I've never had a legitimate argument or fight with Shellbot, so that's a thing I guess. :s
You better start getting used to fighting with robots because sooner or later Skynet will try to kill us
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On April 11 2014 07:02 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2014 07:01 royalroadweed wrote:On April 11 2014 06:58 Aquila- wrote:
TvP is just a guessing game. Bomber guessed incorrectly and that is why he lost... With the exception of polt and maru. I know maru wins by virtue of sheer incredible micro. As for polt....i have no idea how he keeps winning, even from behind. Especially from behind. TvP is indeed a guessing game if you don't bother to scout. Just like the other matchups.
PvT is a guessing game? Maybe in the sense "I guess I'll do a blink all in on this map regardless of what the Terran is doing and still have a 50% chance of rolling over him outright."
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On April 11 2014 07:06 FuRRie wrote:
I never understood the rage for cheese/all-in/...
You play to win, you play out your own strenghts, and if possible into the opponents weaknesses.
I like longer games as well, all ins are pretty black/white in who wins or loses usually. And a series of 5 all ins is boring to watch... It's usually waitwaitwait ah he's gonna win wait wait he won ezpz thanks for those 15 minuts.
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Pretty silly that the most scariest building in the game is worth 100 minerals and takes 17 secs to build
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bomber needs to go back to the glasses
only for mysticality
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On April 11 2014 07:06 FuRRie wrote:
I never understood the rage for cheese/all-in/...
You play to win, you play out your own strenghts, and if possible into the opponents weaknesses.
It's fine to play to win, I'm not mad at Alicia or anything. It's just boring to watch and feels bad to do.
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United States23455 Posts
I think the real issue here is that Bomber wasn't wearing a hat or glasses.
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