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Do you happen to know which game had the mass Carriers? I really want to watch that.
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On March 16 2014 07:48 yolteotl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:46 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 07:37 Malphite wrote:
My whole life is starcraft.... My first love for video games was BW.
It's sad that this is the end. When CS GO has over 100 k viewers and league has over 300k viewers... and SC 2 gets 50?
When protoss' can go blink all ins and get scouted early and still win... somethings wrong. It's equivalent to scouting 2 guys in a brush in League, and still die 2 on 3. Please nerf the blink c/d or research time. THe mothership core vision radius didn't do anything.
This is what i love about League. somethings broken, they fix it next patch. You never see the same champions played for a year which creates change. People don't wanna see BL/infestor every game, or nowadays, blink all ins or immortal pushes. Fixing broken things in League of Legends is much easier. Conceivably they can nerf something that is broken until it is unplayable because players can play other champions. If you nerf a race in SC2 until it is unplayable you have tons of pro players of that race without a career. They did it with Terrans. Watch how many terrans retired in past weeks / months... Taeja is the next one.
With research you'll see that only two terrans have retired (Ball the Taiwanese player and Verdi who streams quite a bit) in 2014, with Sting being the last somewhat notable one in recent months dating back before Q4 2013.
You're argument is invalid.
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On March 16 2014 07:54 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:50 Malphite wrote:On March 16 2014 07:44 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 16 2014 07:37 Malphite wrote:
This is what i love about League. somethings broken, they fix it next patch. You never see the same champions played for a year which creates change. People don't wanna see BL/infestor every game, or nowadays, blink all ins or immortal pushes. It has been said countless times - fixing balance in MOBAS is thousand times easier than in strategies with completely different races. how?? by not touching it?? you fix problems by changing things, PROTOSS' HAS WON EVERYTHING FOR THE PAST 6 MONTHS, how much longer do you want this problem to exist? Not just won, dominated. Moba's easier to balance?? There's 120 champions that you have to balance. SC 2? 3 races with a hand ful of key units. Quit spreading stupid lies. It's harder to balance, they just don't put in the effort like Riot does. Riot releases patches every couple weeks to a month, with more than 60 changes. SC 2 does not. You can't fix a problem if you don't try in the first place.. TERRAN' has been winning every BW tournament for straight 2+ years several times in the past. Not just won, dominated. And they were called bonjwas for that. The problem with SC2 lies entirely in a different surface.
Yeah and no patches ever came that "fixed" the game.
Players adapted and we got zerg and protoss champions
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On March 16 2014 07:56 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Do you happen to know which game had the mass Carriers? I really want to watch that.
sOs vs. jjakji on Alterzim(map 2)
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On March 16 2014 07:54 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:50 Malphite wrote:On March 16 2014 07:44 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 16 2014 07:37 Malphite wrote:
This is what i love about League. somethings broken, they fix it next patch. You never see the same champions played for a year which creates change. People don't wanna see BL/infestor every game, or nowadays, blink all ins or immortal pushes. It has been said countless times - fixing balance in MOBAS is thousand times easier than in strategies with completely different races. how?? by not touching it?? you fix problems by changing things, PROTOSS' HAS WON EVERYTHING FOR THE PAST 6 MONTHS, how much longer do you want this problem to exist? Not just won, dominated. Moba's easier to balance?? There's 120 champions that you have to balance. SC 2? 3 races with a hand ful of key units. Quit spreading stupid lies. It's harder to balance, they just don't put in the effort like Riot does. Riot releases patches every couple weeks to a month, with more than 60 changes. SC 2 does not. You can't fix a problem if you don't try in the first place.. TERRAN' has been winning every BW tournament for straight 2+ years several times in the past. Not just won, dominated. And they were called bonjwas for that. The problem with SC2 lies entirely in a different surface.
Julyzerg? savior? jaedong?yellow? nal ra? bisu? stork? jangbi? How many terrans? flash, boxer and nada.
Don't talk to me about BW, i grew up with it. Intotherain was my favorite player, you probably don't even know who that is. BW was the best game i've ever played, and League is the only thing close.
Why is that people today only talk about the cool good things in league like the back door today?? while in the SC 2 community, it's all about imbalance and not about how good Sos played??
DAVID KIM, PUT IN CHANGES and if they don't work, tweak the numbers more. how hard is it?
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On March 16 2014 07:57 vult wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:48 yolteotl wrote:On March 16 2014 07:46 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 07:37 Malphite wrote:
My whole life is starcraft.... My first love for video games was BW.
It's sad that this is the end. When CS GO has over 100 k viewers and league has over 300k viewers... and SC 2 gets 50?
When protoss' can go blink all ins and get scouted early and still win... somethings wrong. It's equivalent to scouting 2 guys in a brush in League, and still die 2 on 3. Please nerf the blink c/d or research time. THe mothership core vision radius didn't do anything.
This is what i love about League. somethings broken, they fix it next patch. You never see the same champions played for a year which creates change. People don't wanna see BL/infestor every game, or nowadays, blink all ins or immortal pushes. Fixing broken things in League of Legends is much easier. Conceivably they can nerf something that is broken until it is unplayable because players can play other champions. If you nerf a race in SC2 until it is unplayable you have tons of pro players of that race without a career. They did it with Terrans. Watch how many terrans retired in past weeks / months... Taeja is the next one. With research you'll see that only two terrans have retired (Ball the Taiwanese player and Verdi who streams quite a bit) in 2014, with Sting being the last somewhat notable one in recent months dating back before Q4 2013. You're argument is invalid.
lol verdi terran? That was new to me, had to check liquipedia :D
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On March 16 2014 08:01 Malphite wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:54 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 16 2014 07:50 Malphite wrote:On March 16 2014 07:44 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 16 2014 07:37 Malphite wrote:
This is what i love about League. somethings broken, they fix it next patch. You never see the same champions played for a year which creates change. People don't wanna see BL/infestor every game, or nowadays, blink all ins or immortal pushes. It has been said countless times - fixing balance in MOBAS is thousand times easier than in strategies with completely different races. how?? by not touching it?? you fix problems by changing things, PROTOSS' HAS WON EVERYTHING FOR THE PAST 6 MONTHS, how much longer do you want this problem to exist? Not just won, dominated. Moba's easier to balance?? There's 120 champions that you have to balance. SC 2? 3 races with a hand ful of key units. Quit spreading stupid lies. It's harder to balance, they just don't put in the effort like Riot does. Riot releases patches every couple weeks to a month, with more than 60 changes. SC 2 does not. You can't fix a problem if you don't try in the first place.. TERRAN' has been winning every BW tournament for straight 2+ years several times in the past. Not just won, dominated. And they were called bonjwas for that. The problem with SC2 lies entirely in a different surface. How many terrans? flash, boxer and nada.
Iloveoov?
Edit: also if you're gonna include yellow and nal_ra you should really include Fantasy as well at least
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On March 16 2014 07:54 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:50 Malphite wrote:On March 16 2014 07:44 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 16 2014 07:37 Malphite wrote:
This is what i love about League. somethings broken, they fix it next patch. You never see the same champions played for a year which creates change. People don't wanna see BL/infestor every game, or nowadays, blink all ins or immortal pushes. It has been said countless times - fixing balance in MOBAS is thousand times easier than in strategies with completely different races. how?? by not touching it?? you fix problems by changing things, PROTOSS' HAS WON EVERYTHING FOR THE PAST 6 MONTHS, how much longer do you want this problem to exist? Not just won, dominated. Moba's easier to balance?? There's 120 champions that you have to balance. SC 2? 3 races with a hand ful of key units. Quit spreading stupid lies. It's harder to balance, they just don't put in the effort like Riot does. Riot releases patches every couple weeks to a month, with more than 60 changes. SC 2 does not. You can't fix a problem if you don't try in the first place.. TERRAN' has been winning every BW tournament for straight 2+ years several times in the past. Not just won, dominated. And they were called bonjwas for that. The problem with SC2 lies entirely in a different place 'cause it's obviously a different game.
Um.. I wouldn't tie the entire Terran race "dominating" because those specific players played above a whole new level. Race distributions weren't as lopsided, and those "bonjwas" were just clearly a level or two above the rest of the field.
Plus in BW you also had your Protoss/Zerg "bonjwas" or players really close to that status.
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On March 16 2014 07:54 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:53 Squat wrote:On March 16 2014 07:46 Morphage wrote:On March 16 2014 07:37 Malphite wrote:
My whole life is starcraft.... My first love for video games was BW.
It's sad that this is the end. When CS GO has over 100 k viewers and league has over 300k viewers... and SC 2 gets 50?
When protoss' can go blink all ins and get scouted early and still win... somethings wrong. It's equivalent to scouting 2 guys in a brush in League, and still die 2 on 3. Please nerf the blink c/d or research time. THe mothership core vision radius didn't do anything.
This is what i love about League. somethings broken, they fix it next patch. You never see the same champions played for a year which creates change. People don't wanna see BL/infestor every game, or nowadays, blink all ins or immortal pushes. I think that the maps are the big issue, of course there are other problems with Protoss, but the maps are just ridiculous, like more than 50% of the map pool favors blink builds. There are so many places to blink that defending against it takes so much effort. This is a very common and very bad argument. If maps with relatively standard features regularly cause imbalance, that is not a map issue, it's a balance issue. All of WoL was basically contorting and dismembering map making to enable really shitty design to function. Because of this, map making is now severely restricted. Can't have an open natural or protoss can't expand, can't have hard to defend thirds because protoss has to all in etc etc. The last thing this game needs is more limitations of the already stymied map making. Anyone who is actually trying to make competitive maps for this game has my sympathy and respect, it must be a fucking nightmare. It's time to call a spade a spade and just take the bull by the horns. If half the maps are imbalanced, guess what? The maps aren't the problem. Or you change the standard.
No that's an awful idea. Then you just keep sweeping the problem under rug, as more and more options for map making are systematically eliminated. If something is OP or broken or unfair, you nerf it. If something is bad, you buff it.
We have tried the map route to balance, and it left us with stale and repetitive maps. It's a rather inane form of reasoning tbh. In the case of blink all ins, you'd have to create completely silly map pools to put an end to it. No more large open mains, no more cliffs outside of the natural the offers entry to the main etc. Basically every map would have to be designed so that the main + nat was a fortress. This is one of the most damaging and unproductive solutions proposed and I deeply resent it.
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How were the games today? Any good series? Seems a lot of blink usage?
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On March 16 2014 08:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
How were the games today? Any good series? Seems a lot of blink usage?
Great games, only lots of blink in the last series
Edit: what Sabu said, plus taeja vs life
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On March 16 2014 08:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
How were the games today? Any good series? Seems a lot of blink usage?
Polt's series were good.
sOs v Jjakji game 2 is apparently a must see. I haven't seen it yet though.
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On March 16 2014 08:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
How were the games today? Any good series? Seems a lot of blink usage?
all herO games were awesome
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On March 16 2014 08:02 liaf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 08:01 Malphite wrote:On March 16 2014 07:54 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 16 2014 07:50 Malphite wrote:On March 16 2014 07:44 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 16 2014 07:37 Malphite wrote:
This is what i love about League. somethings broken, they fix it next patch. You never see the same champions played for a year which creates change. People don't wanna see BL/infestor every game, or nowadays, blink all ins or immortal pushes. It has been said countless times - fixing balance in MOBAS is thousand times easier than in strategies with completely different races. how?? by not touching it?? you fix problems by changing things, PROTOSS' HAS WON EVERYTHING FOR THE PAST 6 MONTHS, how much longer do you want this problem to exist? Not just won, dominated. Moba's easier to balance?? There's 120 champions that you have to balance. SC 2? 3 races with a hand ful of key units. Quit spreading stupid lies. It's harder to balance, they just don't put in the effort like Riot does. Riot releases patches every couple weeks to a month, with more than 60 changes. SC 2 does not. You can't fix a problem if you don't try in the first place.. TERRAN' has been winning every BW tournament for straight 2+ years several times in the past. Not just won, dominated. And they were called bonjwas for that. The problem with SC2 lies entirely in a different surface. How many terrans? flash, boxer and nada. Iloveoov? Edit: also if you're gonna include yellow and nal_ra you should really include Fantasy as well at least
Yellow is one of the greatest players in BW and most famous. If you are comparing fantasy to yellow, then you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Nal ra won more than fantasy and is more remembered for created strats, and was creative.
Fantasy is just a solid player. I'm not even gonna argue this.
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On March 16 2014 07:57 vult wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:48 yolteotl wrote:On March 16 2014 07:46 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 07:37 Malphite wrote:
My whole life is starcraft.... My first love for video games was BW.
It's sad that this is the end. When CS GO has over 100 k viewers and league has over 300k viewers... and SC 2 gets 50?
When protoss' can go blink all ins and get scouted early and still win... somethings wrong. It's equivalent to scouting 2 guys in a brush in League, and still die 2 on 3. Please nerf the blink c/d or research time. THe mothership core vision radius didn't do anything.
This is what i love about League. somethings broken, they fix it next patch. You never see the same champions played for a year which creates change. People don't wanna see BL/infestor every game, or nowadays, blink all ins or immortal pushes. Fixing broken things in League of Legends is much easier. Conceivably they can nerf something that is broken until it is unplayable because players can play other champions. If you nerf a race in SC2 until it is unplayable you have tons of pro players of that race without a career. They did it with Terrans. Watch how many terrans retired in past weeks / months... Taeja is the next one. With research you'll see that only two terrans have retired (Ball the Taiwanese player and Verdi who streams quite a bit) in 2014, with Sting being the last somewhat notable one in recent months dating back before Q4 2013. You're argument is invalid.
Lucifron for example, one of the best non-korean Terran : http://en-us.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1ux08e/lucifron_retires/
Another example with Kas : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/438993-kas-to-retire-from-sc2
But yes, my argument is invalid, lot of other terrans retired in Q4 2013, not my fault if you can't remember them...
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I missed this tournament due to work, but I was really looking forward to watching the finals. Got home to check results to find a PvP finals..... I am disapoint =(
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On March 16 2014 08:01 Malphite wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:54 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 16 2014 07:50 Malphite wrote:On March 16 2014 07:44 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 16 2014 07:37 Malphite wrote:
This is what i love about League. somethings broken, they fix it next patch. You never see the same champions played for a year which creates change. People don't wanna see BL/infestor every game, or nowadays, blink all ins or immortal pushes. It has been said countless times - fixing balance in MOBAS is thousand times easier than in strategies with completely different races. how?? by not touching it?? you fix problems by changing things, PROTOSS' HAS WON EVERYTHING FOR THE PAST 6 MONTHS, how much longer do you want this problem to exist? Not just won, dominated. Moba's easier to balance?? There's 120 champions that you have to balance. SC 2? 3 races with a hand ful of key units. Quit spreading stupid lies. It's harder to balance, they just don't put in the effort like Riot does. Riot releases patches every couple weeks to a month, with more than 60 changes. SC 2 does not. You can't fix a problem if you don't try in the first place.. TERRAN' has been winning every BW tournament for straight 2+ years several times in the past. Not just won, dominated. And they were called bonjwas for that. The problem with SC2 lies entirely in a different surface. How many terrans? flash, boxer and nada.
4. I should've highlighted for 2+ years part. 9 years of domination.
People are ranting about protoss dominating 4 tournaments for 6 months.
The problem isn't domination itself. The problem is that PvP finals aren't that interesting to watch, and CONSTANT all-ins (not only against Terran) are going out of the hand. This cannot simply be solved by blink nerf.
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On March 16 2014 08:08 yolteotl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:57 vult wrote:On March 16 2014 07:48 yolteotl wrote:On March 16 2014 07:46 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 07:37 Malphite wrote:
My whole life is starcraft.... My first love for video games was BW.
It's sad that this is the end. When CS GO has over 100 k viewers and league has over 300k viewers... and SC 2 gets 50?
When protoss' can go blink all ins and get scouted early and still win... somethings wrong. It's equivalent to scouting 2 guys in a brush in League, and still die 2 on 3. Please nerf the blink c/d or research time. THe mothership core vision radius didn't do anything.
This is what i love about League. somethings broken, they fix it next patch. You never see the same champions played for a year which creates change. People don't wanna see BL/infestor every game, or nowadays, blink all ins or immortal pushes. Fixing broken things in League of Legends is much easier. Conceivably they can nerf something that is broken until it is unplayable because players can play other champions. If you nerf a race in SC2 until it is unplayable you have tons of pro players of that race without a career. They did it with Terrans. Watch how many terrans retired in past weeks / months... Taeja is the next one. With research you'll see that only two terrans have retired (Ball the Taiwanese player and Verdi who streams quite a bit) in 2014, with Sting being the last somewhat notable one in recent months dating back before Q4 2013. You're argument is invalid. Lucifron for example, one of the best non-korean Terran : http://en-us.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1ux08e/lucifron_retires/ Another example with Kas : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/438993-kas-to-retire-from-sc2But yes, my argument is invalid, lot of other terrans retired in Q4 2013, not my fault if you can't remember them...
Kas didn't retire. On the other hand, Naniwa retired yesterday (well, kinda I guess), Taiwanese player Hui retired too. It's not just terrans...
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On March 16 2014 08:08 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 08:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
How were the games today? Any good series? Seems a lot of blink usage? all herO games were awesome
On March 16 2014 08:06 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 08:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
How were the games today? Any good series? Seems a lot of blink usage? Polt's series were good. sOs v Jjakji game 2 is apparently a must see. I haven't seen it yet though.
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