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Okay calm down folks, stop balance whining or the bans are going to get long.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 16 2014 15:53 GMT
#1781
On February 17 2014 00:52 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 00:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:48 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:45 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:37 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:36 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:34 nkr wrote:
korean swarmhost meta is so far behind eu, jaedong should just skip that and stick to agression and tech switches :/


There are good Korean Zergs too. Roro is pretty good.
But yeah, Jaedong, Soulkey, Life... there is a bunch of Zergs that seem to be quite bad when it comes to dealing with an opponent that actually reaches a useful army.

They probably don't want to play for 40+ minutes to try and win vs those compositions. All three of them are pretty well known for being aggressive, though I disagree that soulkey can't do it. He's done it before.


What the hell are you guys smoking , aside from Jaedong who plays really sloppy right now (he still is better then european zergs), every korean zerg is miles ahead of any european zerg using swarm hosts . SoulKey would wipe the floor with 95 % of the progamers population . It would take a player of Rain , Parting , Zest , Stats's late game mastery to even play on par with him .

Life lost games to naniwa by fucking around and being too aggressive.

He was literally fucking around though building proxy hatches and nydusing all his queens and stopping injections.

Did you change your name? The a is missing

I did, but apparently I made a huge mistake.

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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
February 16 2014 15:53 GMT
#1782
On February 17 2014 00:49 The_Templar wrote:
IEM Cologne: RO8

(Z)Jaedong vs (P)Patience
2-2


Map: Alterzim Stronghold


Jaedong spawns in the top right
Patience spawns in the bottom left

1:00
Jaedong doing the extractor trick
Patience going gateway first.

2:00
Jaedong going hatchery first.
2 assimilators from Patience.
Jaedong again going three hatcheries before a spawning pool.

3:00
Patience getting a cybernetics core.
Two probes in each assimilator.
Spawning pool for Jaedong.
Patience taking an expansion.

4:00
Mothership core form Patience.
Patience not scouting.
Warp gate being researched.
Patience getting a sentry.
Jaedong researching zergling speed.
Two zerglings being produced.

5:00
Patience getting a stargate.
Patience scouting Jaedong but hasn't found him yet since they're cross positions.
Jaedong droning up and scouting with zerglings.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
February 16 2014 15:53 GMT
#1783
On February 17 2014 00:52 YoloSwaggins wrote:
3 hatch, gas, pool on 18

is it even possible to open more greedily?


catz would do one more hatch before pool :D

but it makes sense if patience does the same opening 5 times in a row and it's the biggest map
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
February 16 2014 15:53 GMT
#1784
On February 17 2014 00:53 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 00:52 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:48 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:45 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:37 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:36 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:34 nkr wrote:
korean swarmhost meta is so far behind eu, jaedong should just skip that and stick to agression and tech switches :/


There are good Korean Zergs too. Roro is pretty good.
But yeah, Jaedong, Soulkey, Life... there is a bunch of Zergs that seem to be quite bad when it comes to dealing with an opponent that actually reaches a useful army.

They probably don't want to play for 40+ minutes to try and win vs those compositions. All three of them are pretty well known for being aggressive, though I disagree that soulkey can't do it. He's done it before.


What the hell are you guys smoking , aside from Jaedong who plays really sloppy right now (he still is better then european zergs), every korean zerg is miles ahead of any european zerg using swarm hosts . SoulKey would wipe the floor with 95 % of the progamers population . It would take a player of Rain , Parting , Zest , Stats's late game mastery to even play on par with him .

Life lost games to naniwa by fucking around and being too aggressive.

He was literally fucking around though building proxy hatches and nydusing all his queens and stopping injections.

Did you change your name? The a is missing

I did, but apparently I made a huge mistake.

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This guy
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 15:57:16
February 16 2014 15:53 GMT
#1785
On February 17 2014 00:46 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 00:41 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:39 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:37 Talionis wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:36 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:34 nkr wrote:
korean swarmhost meta is so far behind eu, jaedong should just skip that and stick to agression and tech switches :/


There are good Korean Zergs too. Roro is pretty good.
But yeah, Jaedong, Soulkey, Life... there is a bunch of Zergs that seem to be quite bad when it comes to dealing with an opponent that actually reaches a useful army.

wat


Soulkey against Reality... Soulkey against whatever Protoss that was he thought that he should run his Corruptors into VRs, when he could have just built more Spines/Spores and sieged that base longer and longer.
Soulkey seems to be quite lost against lategame Protoss and Terran Mech. And these days Ps/Ts actually reach those armies against him.

There aren't any zergs that know how to play against a late game mech army when they've ran out of gas


Then maybe think about how you play before you run out of gas? Maybe think about building more than 1Viper and 1Spellcaster and spending your last 2000gas on another wave of mutalisks which hasn't worked for the entirety of the game.

Watch Stephano. Watch Snute. Watch Firecake. Watch Roro. Those guys don't waste their money for units that they won't need. They don't get into those situations to begin with.


Pff man please Soulkey is way above this guys's league , only Roro comes close to his level . And Reality isn't your avarage mecher or TvZer in general he is probably top 5 in the world in TvZ . He was spesifically practising turtle mech on that map , european or even other korean terrans can't compare . Whats with people bashing on the best zerg in the world , comparing him to players way below his level ?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 15:54:32
February 16 2014 15:53 GMT
#1786
On February 17 2014 00:52 YoloSwaggins wrote:
3 hatch, gas, pool on 18

is it even possible to open more greedily?

15hatch
hatch in your opponent's nat
3rd hatch
laugh evilly
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44282 Posts
February 16 2014 15:53 GMT
#1787
On February 17 2014 00:52 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 00:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:48 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:45 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:37 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:36 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:34 nkr wrote:
korean swarmhost meta is so far behind eu, jaedong should just skip that and stick to agression and tech switches :/


There are good Korean Zergs too. Roro is pretty good.
But yeah, Jaedong, Soulkey, Life... there is a bunch of Zergs that seem to be quite bad when it comes to dealing with an opponent that actually reaches a useful army.

They probably don't want to play for 40+ minutes to try and win vs those compositions. All three of them are pretty well known for being aggressive, though I disagree that soulkey can't do it. He's done it before.


What the hell are you guys smoking , aside from Jaedong who plays really sloppy right now (he still is better then european zergs), every korean zerg is miles ahead of any european zerg using swarm hosts . SoulKey would wipe the floor with 95 % of the progamers population . It would take a player of Rain , Parting , Zest , Stats's late game mastery to even play on par with him .

Life lost games to naniwa by fucking around and being too aggressive.

He was literally fucking around though building proxy hatches and nydusing all his queens and stopping injections.

Did you change your name? The a is missing

I did, but apparently I made a huge mistake.

+ Show Spoiler +
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Darkhoarse (40)
 
95%

Darkhorse (2)
 
5%

42 total votes

Your vote: Better ID?

(Vote): Darkhorse
(Vote): Darkhoarse


add the A
this is a quote
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 16 2014 15:54 GMT
#1788
On February 17 2014 00:52 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 00:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:48 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:45 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:37 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:36 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:34 nkr wrote:
korean swarmhost meta is so far behind eu, jaedong should just skip that and stick to agression and tech switches :/


There are good Korean Zergs too. Roro is pretty good.
But yeah, Jaedong, Soulkey, Life... there is a bunch of Zergs that seem to be quite bad when it comes to dealing with an opponent that actually reaches a useful army.

They probably don't want to play for 40+ minutes to try and win vs those compositions. All three of them are pretty well known for being aggressive, though I disagree that soulkey can't do it. He's done it before.


What the hell are you guys smoking , aside from Jaedong who plays really sloppy right now (he still is better then european zergs), every korean zerg is miles ahead of any european zerg using swarm hosts . SoulKey would wipe the floor with 95 % of the progamers population . It would take a player of Rain , Parting , Zest , Stats's late game mastery to even play on par with him .

Life lost games to naniwa by fucking around and being too aggressive.

He was literally fucking around though building proxy hatches and nydusing all his queens and stopping injections.

Did you change your name? The a is missing

I did, but apparently I made a huge mistake.

+ Show Spoiler +
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Darkhoarse (40)
 
95%

Darkhorse (2)
 
5%

42 total votes

Your vote: Better ID?

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Now you are no longer unique

On February 17 2014 00:52 75 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 00:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Why not 15 nex on this map?

probably afraid of 6 pool


#mindgames
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 16 2014 15:54 GMT
#1789
On February 17 2014 00:52 YoloSwaggins wrote:
3 hatch, gas, pool on 18

is it even possible to open more greedily?

4 hatch variation.
kiss kiss fall in love
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 16 2014 15:55 GMT
#1790
On February 17 2014 00:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 00:52 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:48 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:45 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:37 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:36 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:34 nkr wrote:
korean swarmhost meta is so far behind eu, jaedong should just skip that and stick to agression and tech switches :/


There are good Korean Zergs too. Roro is pretty good.
But yeah, Jaedong, Soulkey, Life... there is a bunch of Zergs that seem to be quite bad when it comes to dealing with an opponent that actually reaches a useful army.

They probably don't want to play for 40+ minutes to try and win vs those compositions. All three of them are pretty well known for being aggressive, though I disagree that soulkey can't do it. He's done it before.


What the hell are you guys smoking , aside from Jaedong who plays really sloppy right now (he still is better then european zergs), every korean zerg is miles ahead of any european zerg using swarm hosts . SoulKey would wipe the floor with 95 % of the progamers population . It would take a player of Rain , Parting , Zest , Stats's late game mastery to even play on par with him .

Life lost games to naniwa by fucking around and being too aggressive.

He was literally fucking around though building proxy hatches and nydusing all his queens and stopping injections.

Did you change your name? The a is missing

I did, but apparently I made a huge mistake.

+ Show Spoiler +
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Darkhoarse (40)
 
95%

Darkhorse (2)
 
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42 total votes

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Now you are no longer unique

Mother says I'm still unique so stop being mean.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
February 16 2014 15:56 GMT
#1791
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 15:57:46
February 16 2014 15:56 GMT
#1792
Oh god swarmhosts

or not, i guess im just paranoid these days
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 16 2014 15:56 GMT
#1793
On February 17 2014 00:55 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 00:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:52 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:48 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:45 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:37 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:36 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 00:34 nkr wrote:
korean swarmhost meta is so far behind eu, jaedong should just skip that and stick to agression and tech switches :/


There are good Korean Zergs too. Roro is pretty good.
But yeah, Jaedong, Soulkey, Life... there is a bunch of Zergs that seem to be quite bad when it comes to dealing with an opponent that actually reaches a useful army.

They probably don't want to play for 40+ minutes to try and win vs those compositions. All three of them are pretty well known for being aggressive, though I disagree that soulkey can't do it. He's done it before.


What the hell are you guys smoking , aside from Jaedong who plays really sloppy right now (he still is better then european zergs), every korean zerg is miles ahead of any european zerg using swarm hosts . SoulKey would wipe the floor with 95 % of the progamers population . It would take a player of Rain , Parting , Zest , Stats's late game mastery to even play on par with him .

Life lost games to naniwa by fucking around and being too aggressive.

He was literally fucking around though building proxy hatches and nydusing all his queens and stopping injections.

Did you change your name? The a is missing

I did, but apparently I made a huge mistake.

+ Show Spoiler +
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Darkhoarse (40)
 
95%

Darkhorse (2)
 
5%

42 total votes

Your vote: Better ID?

(Vote): Darkhorse
(Vote): Darkhoarse


Now you are no longer unique

Mother says I'm still unique so stop being mean.

No... I am your mother.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 16 2014 15:56 GMT
#1794
On February 17 2014 00:54 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 00:52 YoloSwaggins wrote:
3 hatch, gas, pool on 18

is it even possible to open more greedily?

4 hatch variation.

I think that tvz in the gumiho vs slayers game probably has the record for greed from both sides
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
February 16 2014 15:56 GMT
#1795
Come on creep spread!
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
February 16 2014 15:57 GMT
#1796
On February 17 2014 00:53 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 00:49 The_Templar wrote:
IEM Cologne: RO8

(Z)Jaedong vs (P)Patience
2-2


Map: Alterzim Stronghold


Jaedong spawns in the top right
Patience spawns in the bottom left

1:00
Jaedong doing the extractor trick
Patience going gateway first.

2:00
Jaedong going hatchery first.
2 assimilators from Patience.
Jaedong again going three hatcheries before a spawning pool.

3:00
Patience getting a cybernetics core.
Two probes in each assimilator.
Spawning pool for Jaedong.
Patience taking an expansion.

4:00
Mothership core form Patience.
Patience not scouting.
Warp gate being researched.
Patience getting a sentry.
Jaedong researching zergling speed.
Two zerglings being produced.

5:00
Patience getting a stargate.
Patience scouting Jaedong but hasn't found him yet since they're cross positions.
Jaedong droning up and scouting with zerglings.

6:00 (Z)Jaedong 48 vs (P)Patience 42
Phoenix production starts for Patience.
Patience getting two assimilators at his natural.
Jaedong loses an overlord to the first pheonix.

7:00 (Z)Jaedong 62 vs (P)Patience 47
Jaedong temporarily gets supply blocked.
Jaedong going for the main but sentries are there to FF.
+1 air weapons on the way for Patience.
Jaedong getting spore crawlers and two evolution chambers.

8:00 (Z)Jaedong 71 vs (P)Patience 58
11 drones on the way.
Jaedong getting +1/1 and a lair.
Patience picking up a queen and killing it.
Robotics facility and a forge for Patience.
Spore crawlers are getting in position.

9:00 (Z)Jaedong 86 vs (P)Patience 67
Patience has only killed 3 workers.
Patience getting +1 ground attack.
Jaedong getting an infestation pit.

10:00 (Z)Jaedong 96 vs (P)Patience 80
Patience getting a robotics bay.
Phoenixes pick up and kill a few more workers.
Patience getting his third base.
Jaedong getting a hive and trying to pressure the third base.
Patience killing more drones in the natural of Jaedong.
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Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
February 16 2014 15:57 GMT
#1797
The dong has this
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 16 2014 15:58 GMT
#1798
+1 phoenix opener is pretty cool.
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Aphid
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia87 Posts
February 16 2014 15:58 GMT
#1799
Phoenixes seem so effective. Why not have 3 spores per mineral line?
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
February 16 2014 15:58 GMT
#1800
Wow, Phoenix are pretty good
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