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templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
January 30 2014 05:31 GMT
#761
On January 30 2014 14:28 Ace Frehley wrote:
I dont know why some zergs still insist on roach/hydra, when this is the way to go (even though boring)


It's not like roach/hydra is a bad strategy or something.
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
January 30 2014 05:31 GMT
#762
On January 30 2014 14:28 Mozdk wrote:
Why does the race with the most money in all games get the the 2 units that give free units... Come on


because they couldn't make Roach/Hydra cost efficient against deathball

Why do protoss get a basic air unit with auto-moving shot thats faster and strongerthan all other basic air units and can harass and take important units out of a fight?

Because they couldn't balance gateway units.

-_-
`~` | effOrt Movie sKyHigh forever & SEn
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7799 Posts
January 30 2014 05:32 GMT
#763
CranK dat Notorious P.i.G

Awesome to see PiG finally showing his stuff. PiG is really, really good at the preparation style of play. If there's an obstacle he can't overcome he trains up until he can. Example being iaguz would absolutely destroy him at every tournament last year...but then PiG just worked tirelessly on his ZvT until iaguz couldn't touch him.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
January 30 2014 05:32 GMT
#764
On January 30 2014 14:28 Darkhoarse wrote:
PiG continuing to kill the Koreans.

Viva la foreigners. Viva la SEA!


Are we back to cheering for Foreigners to win even though we know the style they are using is abusing an obviously bad design?

I thought we learned our lesson from the Infestor/Broodlord days.

No one should be cheering for this. The fact that foreign Zergs can beat Korean Protoss players with this kind of play is just additional evidence to how broken it is.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 30 2014 05:33 GMT
#765
Oh wow that burrow was disgustingly good
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
January 30 2014 05:33 GMT
#766
Simultaneity. Nice word choice!
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
January 30 2014 05:34 GMT
#767
On January 30 2014 14:30 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 14:28 Mozdk wrote:
Why does the race with the most money in all games get the the 2 units that give free units... Come on


3 units.


Inf terrans are bad. See what you do is... leave!
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27264 Posts
January 30 2014 05:34 GMT
#768
Vindicare it's not like Crank is Rain or Dear. That's said this style is retarded, but PiG has controlled well and defended well thus far
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
January 30 2014 05:35 GMT
#769
On January 30 2014 14:34 Wombat_NI wrote:
Vindicare it's not like Crank is Rain or Dear. That's said this style is retarded, but PiG has controlled well and defended well thus far


I'm not saying he is, but the point still stands.

We shouldn't be cheering for players to win JUST because they are foreigners especially when they are abusing crap like this.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
January 30 2014 05:35 GMT
#770
On January 30 2014 14:27 RaFox17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 14:19 Waise wrote:
On January 30 2014 14:14 RaFox17 wrote:
On January 30 2014 14:12 blinken wrote:
I don't understand the logic behind adding a unit like the Swarm Host. It creates such boring and drawn out games. Shouldn't the objective with HotS have had the opposite in mind?

Can you please tell me your master plan of defeating late game/skytoss without them? SH is simply a symptom.

where is this "swarm hosts counter skytoss" thing coming from? strictly speaking swarm hosts are the counter to templar tech. vipers counter colossus with abduct, templar counter vipers with feedback, swarm host counter templar by zoning them out. skytoss midgames are countered with queens to tank damage and infestors to fungal clumped air units. the static defense turtle style is something that zergs just figured out they could abuse and started doing because there's no drawback to it.

yes, zvp lategame is a clusterfuck. protoss lategame deathballs are ridiculous. so is swarm host/static d. it's a design problem. but that doesn't make swarm hosts more fun to watch or for protoss to play against

Z AA is so bad that you need a lot of stuff to kill anything. If you go queen and investor and toss has some ground units you die. That means you have to have ground units and static D. When toss reaches late game death ball roaches will melt like nothing and all of your investors/queens will die after that. Without SH zerg can still make static D and cam behind it but has no chance to denie toss expansions.

what you said simply isn't correct. roach/hydra/queen/infestor is 100% capable of beating a skytoss push. what part of "skytoss" do you think swarm hosts are necessary to fight? obviously if protoss keeps turtling you have to trade out your roach/hydra, that's how the game works.

carriers and tempests are countered in the lategame using a mixture of vipers, corruptors and infestors, and void rays die to queen/infestor plus corruptors, hydras or whatever unit you make for DPS. that's one of the reasons crank lost that game, because carrier/tempest/void ray isn't as strong as ground-based colossus/templar deathballs. the only reason protoss try skytoss against swarm hosts/static d is out of desperation and creativity, it's not because it's the ultimate protoss composition. the ultimate protoss composition is on the ground.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
January 30 2014 05:35 GMT
#771
On January 30 2014 14:32 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 14:28 Darkhoarse wrote:
PiG continuing to kill the Koreans.

Viva la foreigners. Viva la SEA!


Are we back to cheering for Foreigners to win even though we know the style they are using is abusing an obviously bad design?

I thought we learned our lesson from the Infestor/Broodlord days.

No one should be cheering for this. The fact that foreign Zergs can beat Korean Protoss players with this kind of play is just additional evidence to how broken it is.

even if they wernt I would still be bias enough to do this anyway most of the time depending on the people playing. If it was Idra/stephano I would always cheer for them no matter the style they used.

l cheered for the zerg even still during infestor/BL days.

coL.hendralisk
Profile Joined September 2009
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
January 30 2014 05:35 GMT
#772
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 30 2014 05:36 GMT
#773
On January 30 2014 14:35 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 14:34 Wombat_NI wrote:
Vindicare it's not like Crank is Rain or Dear. That's said this style is retarded, but PiG has controlled well and defended well thus far


I'm not saying he is, but the point still stands.

We shouldn't be cheering for players to win JUST because they are foreigners especially when they are abusing crap like this.

I was making a joke not blindly jumping up and down because PiG is winning.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 30 2014 05:36 GMT
#774
Poll: Recommend Crank vs PiG Game 2?

★★★★- Highly recommended game (5)
 
31%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
 
25%

★- Do not see this game no matter what (4)
 
25%

★★★★★- One of the best games this year (3)
 
19%

★★★- Good game (0)
 
0%

16 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Crank vs PiG Game 2?

(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this year
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what


WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 30 2014 05:36 GMT
#775
Although I very much dislike defensive swarm host play, I've actually enjoyed these games because of how well PiG has played for the most part, better than some good Korean Zergs even
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
January 30 2014 05:37 GMT
#776
On January 30 2014 14:36 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 14:35 Vindicare605 wrote:
On January 30 2014 14:34 Wombat_NI wrote:
Vindicare it's not like Crank is Rain or Dear. That's said this style is retarded, but PiG has controlled well and defended well thus far


I'm not saying he is, but the point still stands.

We shouldn't be cheering for players to win JUST because they are foreigners especially when they are abusing crap like this.

I was making a joke not blindly jumping up and down because PiG is winning.


Maybe you aren't but as the guy above me is evidence of, there are definitely people who are.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
CxWiLL
Profile Joined May 2013
China830 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-30 05:37:39
January 30 2014 05:37 GMT
#777
a 0:3 day for Koreans in WCS NA???
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 30 2014 05:37 GMT
#778
PiG can you just six pool or something I need some sleep.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
January 30 2014 05:37 GMT
#779
Nice showing how the composition can be aggressive too and not just turtley in game 2.
Too weird to live, too rare to die.
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
January 30 2014 05:37 GMT
#780
Seems like PiG had a lapse when he lost all those swarm hosts. Crank should have never "come back" (if you can call being 80 supply behind a comeback)
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