EPTWe are all victims.
[WCS AM] Challenger Day 4 Season 1 2014 - Page 37
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
only a sith deals in absolutes. edit: idk if i even used it right meh its late | ||
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Luolis
Finland7196 Posts
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On January 30 2014 14:12 blinken wrote: I don't understand the logic behind adding a unit like the Swarm Host. It creates such boring and drawn out games. Shouldn't the objective with HotS have had the opposite in mind? Can you please tell me your master plan of defeating late game/skytoss without them? SH is simply a symptom. | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
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SpunXtain20
Australia554 Posts
On January 30 2014 14:13 oogieogie wrote: we had the same exciting turtlefest static defense zerg style in WOL why change it in HOTS? You guys really are a joke. It's not like *EVERY* PvZ ends up this way. Do you want the game to have absolutely no macro-style games at all? Lol. I'd say Crank had as much chance to win that game as Pig - Pig played better and fewer critical mistakes. | ||
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manniefresh
United States74 Posts
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StutteR
United States1903 Posts
On January 30 2014 14:16 SpunXtain20 wrote: You guys really are a joke. It's not like *EVERY* PvZ ends up this way. Do you want the game to have absolutely no macro-style games at all? Lol. I'd say Crank had as much chance to win that game as Pig - Pig played better and fewer critical mistakes. You can have macro style games without it being long and drawn out and incredibly boring like that. Just not in SC2 because no Zerg units trade efficiently against the Protoss deathball but SH and BL | ||
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Green_25
Great Britain696 Posts
Also I wouldn't call that a 'macro' style from pig, its more just a 'turtle/mine out my side of the map and let Protoss headbutt me' style. | ||
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
On January 30 2014 14:16 SpunXtain20 wrote: You guys really are a joke. It's not like *EVERY* PvZ ends up this way. Do you want the game to have absolutely no macro-style games at all? Lol. I'd say Crank had as much chance to win that game as Pig - Pig played better and fewer critical mistakes. no macro style games =/= defensive style turtlefest hiding behind static defense | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 30 2014 14:16 manniefresh wrote: man pig has great caster control, some of the best i've seen with fungals and viper pulls against that carrier/void death ball! He likely individually selected infestors for each fungal instead of allowing smart cast to do it for him. I doubt a lot of people noticed but it was really good. | ||
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Waise
3165 Posts
On January 30 2014 14:14 RaFox17 wrote: Can you please tell me your master plan of defeating late game/skytoss without them? SH is simply a symptom. where is this "swarm hosts counter skytoss" thing coming from? strictly speaking swarm hosts are the counter to templar tech. vipers counter colossus with abduct, templar counter vipers with feedback, swarm host counter templar by zoning them out. skytoss midgames are countered with queens to tank damage and infestors to fungal clumped air units. the static defense turtle style is something that zergs just figured out they could abuse and started doing because there's no drawback to it. yes, zvp lategame is a clusterfuck. protoss lategame deathballs are ridiculous. so is swarm host/static d. it's a design problem. but that doesn't make swarm hosts more fun to watch or for protoss to play against | ||
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manniefresh
United States74 Posts
On January 30 2014 14:18 lichter wrote: He likely individually selected infestors for each fungal instead of allowing smart cast to do it for him. I doubt a lot of people noticed but it was really good. that and the good viper play also, go pig! | ||
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HeadlessWonder
United States1096 Posts
On January 30 2014 14:18 lichter wrote: He likely individually selected infestors for each fungal instead of allowing smart cast to do it for him. I doubt a lot of people noticed but it was really good. And he actually pulled them back too, instead of just headbutting them in the void rays after their energy was gone. I thought it was quite impressive. | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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blinken
Canada368 Posts
On January 30 2014 14:14 RaFox17 wrote: Can you please tell me your master plan of defeating late game/skytoss without them? SH is simply a symptom. I have no master plan nor have I considered fixing the problem to any degree. Blizzard has a cadre of arguably the best and most creative minds in the business, a business in which literally anything is possible. I'm sure they could come up with something more exciting than this while still solving the problem that the SH supposedly solves. | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
On January 30 2014 14:22 Darkhoarse wrote: CRANK. YOU'RE KILLING ME BUDDY. stop taking a third base. He'll lose this game, and do 3x 2-base all in ftw! | ||
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Waise
3165 Posts
On January 30 2014 14:20 HeadlessWonder wrote: And he actually pulled them back too, instead of just headbutting them in the void rays after their energy was gone. I thought it was quite impressive. i'm not trying to say pig is a bad player. clearly he's very good, and clearly crank was playing sloppy for some reason. but that doesn't mean that pig didn't get a lot of mileage out of the style he was using and the fact that it has no direct counter if the zerg plays correctly (spines in the main, good caster control, etc). protoss doesn't really have a reliable mechanic by which to "outplay" what pig was doing. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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