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[WCS AM] Challenger Day 4 Season 1 2014 - Page 41

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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 30 2014 05:46 GMT
#801
Focusing the roach warren actually would've been a good idea.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
January 30 2014 05:46 GMT
#802
Good god. What a spanking.
dreaming of a sunny day
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
January 30 2014 05:46 GMT
#803
On January 30 2014 14:45 Darkhoarse wrote:
Crank for the love of Aiur do a timing or something. Or PiG just kill him. Let's not make this over half an hour.



I called it: 0-2 to 3-2 via 3 x 2 base all ins.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 30 2014 05:46 GMT
#804
Poll: Recommend Crank vs PiG Game 3?

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
 
57%

★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
 
29%

★★★- Good game (1)
 
14%

★★★★★- One of the best games this year (0)
 
0%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

7 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Crank vs PiG Game 3?

(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this year
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what


WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 30 2014 05:46 GMT
#805
On January 30 2014 14:46 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 14:45 Darkhoarse wrote:
Crank for the love of Aiur do a timing or something. Or PiG just kill him. Let's not make this over half an hour.


I hope this goes to 5 games of swarm host vs airtoss

You don't live in my time zone you heathen
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Mintie
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia563 Posts
January 30 2014 05:47 GMT
#806
well that was certainly a contrast.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
January 30 2014 05:47 GMT
#807
On January 30 2014 14:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 14:40 LimitSEA wrote:
On January 30 2014 14:37 Vindicare605 wrote:
On January 30 2014 14:36 Darkhoarse wrote:
On January 30 2014 14:35 Vindicare605 wrote:
On January 30 2014 14:34 Wombat_NI wrote:
Vindicare it's not like Crank is Rain or Dear. That's said this style is retarded, but PiG has controlled well and defended well thus far


I'm not saying he is, but the point still stands.

We shouldn't be cheering for players to win JUST because they are foreigners especially when they are abusing crap like this.

I was making a joke not blindly jumping up and down because PiG is winning.


Maybe you aren't but as the guy above me is evidence of, there are definitely people who are.

Of course there are. Expecting there to be 0 people cheering for foreigners because they're foreigners in a Korean dominated scene is ridiculously naive.


I'm not naive I know there are people doing it, it makes me disappointed all the same.

Cheering and encouraging this kind of crap is how we got 6 months of Infestor/Broodlord in Wings of Liberty. The same will happen again if we continue to support results that are based around obviously flawed game design.

I wasn't happy when Terrans were winning abusing the 1-1-1, I wasn't happy when Terrans were abusing mass Snipe in the late game even when it was MVP that was doing it. This to me is no different.

How you win matters.

I can agree with this, as I hated watching random foreign Zergs destroy everyone during the days of Infestor/BL. I do think there needs to be a more vocal part of the community letting Blizzard know that they're not happy with certain aspects of the game design, and I can understand why you think people cheering for this sort of play is hurting the advancement of SC2's balance.

That said, I still feel like PiG is playing better than Crank at this moment - at least in that last game. In this case I don't see why cheering for someone who's playing better is necessarily a bad thing - people aren't necessarily cheering on the style of play, but rather the skill of the play as a whole.

On January 30 2014 14:43 StutteR wrote:
I agree that PiG is playing better than Crank. I don't cheer for foreigners just because they are foreigners. I think these games are boring as fuck. Stop putting people in boxes.

Congratulations? No one said those were the only types of people watching the game. Get over yourself.
Long live the King of Wings
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
January 30 2014 05:47 GMT
#808
On January 30 2014 14:47 Mintie wrote:
well that was certainly a contrast.

remember when bitter and gretorp were making that bet about who would win if the game went past X minutes? i think that would work a lot better for ZvP than ZvT lol
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
January 30 2014 05:47 GMT
#809
So far in 2014 WCS AM S1:

5 Additional Koreans Qualified (Bomber, Check, KingKong, SeleCT, viOLet)
6 Koreans Eliminated (Apocalypse, Check, KingKong, Sage, Tassadar, viOLet)

Net change of -1 Korean with 16 Koreans left in Premier League Ro32, pending the outcome of Crank vs PiG.
This Week in SC2Find out what happened 'This Week in Starcraft 2': http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278126
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
January 30 2014 05:49 GMT
#810
On January 30 2014 14:47 juicyjames wrote:
So far in 2014 WCS AM S1:

5 Additional Koreans Qualified (Bomber, Check, KingKong, SeleCT, viOLet)
6 Koreans Eliminated (Apocalypse, Check, KingKong, Sage, Tassadar, viOLet)

Net change of -1 Korean with 16 Koreans left in Premier League Ro32, pending the outcome of Crank vs PiG.

Still uber sad to see viOLet out. Haven't seen him play in forever. :<
Long live the King of Wings
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
January 30 2014 05:49 GMT
#811
if Pig did three 6pools in a row, i would still be cheering for him
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-30 05:51:02
January 30 2014 05:49 GMT
#812
On January 30 2014 14:46 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 14:43 StutteR wrote:
I agree that PiG is playing better than Crank. I don't cheer for foreigners just because they are foreigners. I think these games are boring as fuck. Stop putting people in boxes.

i think we can all bring it down a level. i've made some posts on how annoying this style is and how i think pig is riding the meta, but i'm not trying to trash him as a player or trash any other posters. i think a couple of people came in here and started kind of instigating/trolling a bit on both sides unnecessarily. this conversation has been had before, none of us are saying anything new, and it's not really worth getting upset about


Fair enough.

I'm not trying to trash PiG as a player, he's just doing what he feels he must to win, I've never blamed players for it.

It's just that at the end of the day, these kinds of victories seem hollow and we as spectators should be careful that we don't send the wrong message to Blizzard that we actually enjoy watching foreigners beat Koreans more than we enjoy watching good Starcraft. That's all.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 30 2014 05:50 GMT
#813
On January 30 2014 14:47 juicyjames wrote:
So far in 2014 WCS AM S1:

5 Additional Koreans Qualified (Bomber, Check, KingKong, SeleCT, viOLet)
6 Koreans Eliminated (Apocalypse, Check, KingKong, Sage, Tassadar, viOLet)

Net change of -1 Korean with 16 Koreans left in Premier League Ro32, pending the outcome of Crank vs PiG.

You can probably count SeleCT as American

That's what I do *bald eagle in front of american flag with "I'm Proud to be an American" playing in the background.*
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 30 2014 05:51 GMT
#814
I actually enjoyed those games (I give it 3 stars), and as current Best Games Bonjwa, obviously my opinion is #1
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
January 30 2014 05:51 GMT
#815
On January 30 2014 14:50 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 14:47 juicyjames wrote:
So far in 2014 WCS AM S1:

5 Additional Koreans Qualified (Bomber, Check, KingKong, SeleCT, viOLet)
6 Koreans Eliminated (Apocalypse, Check, KingKong, Sage, Tassadar, viOLet)

Net change of -1 Korean with 16 Koreans left in Premier League Ro32, pending the outcome of Crank vs PiG.

You can probably count SeleCT as American

That's what I do *bald eagle in front of american flag with "I'm Proud to be an American" playing in the background.*

I just went by Liquipedia flags, but you're right. A lot of people wouldn't mind putting both SeleCT and viOLet as American. That change would make it +3/-5, for an overall of -2.
This Week in SC2Find out what happened 'This Week in Starcraft 2': http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278126
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-30 05:52:38
January 30 2014 05:51 GMT
#816
On January 30 2014 14:49 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 14:46 Waise wrote:
On January 30 2014 14:43 StutteR wrote:
I agree that PiG is playing better than Crank. I don't cheer for foreigners just because they are foreigners. I think these games are boring as fuck. Stop putting people in boxes.

i think we can all bring it down a level. i've made some posts on how annoying this style is and how i think pig is riding the meta, but i'm not trying to trash him as a player or trash any other posters. i think a couple of people came in here and started kind of instigating/trolling a bit on both sides unnecessarily. this conversation has been had before, none of us are saying anything new, and it's not really worth getting upset about


Fair enough.

I'm not trying to trash PiG as a player, he's just doing what he feels he must to win, I've never blamed players for it.

It's just that at the end of the day, these kinds of victories seem hollow and we as spectators should be careful that we don't send the wrong message to Blizzard that we actually watching foreigners beat Koreans more than we enjoy watching good Starcraft. That's all.

of course, i feel the same way for the most part. but the discussion seemed like it was getting volatile when people started up with the whole foreigner angle. no one is to blame specifically, but the debate sort of went off on a tangent and some tempers got a little hotter than they probably needed to. everyone can enjoy (or not enjoy) the game however they wish and post whatever respectful opinions they have!
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25387 Posts
January 30 2014 05:52 GMT
#817
Violet is listed as qualified and knocked out? :s

Limit I agree, that said plenty of us have been plenty vocal about this sort of thing. Blizzard just choose to do things despite many warnings of certain problems that will arise.

Sadly it's only through actual mass whining and no substantive posting that things seem to change, often for the worse
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
January 30 2014 05:54 GMT
#818
Oh boy. Aggro toss. This was always my favorite part of zvp
dreaming of a sunny day
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
January 30 2014 05:54 GMT
#819
3rd ovie should go there if you take that early a 3rd.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
i.of.the.storm
Profile Joined April 2009
United States795 Posts
January 30 2014 05:54 GMT
#820
On January 30 2014 14:50 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 14:47 juicyjames wrote:
So far in 2014 WCS AM S1:

5 Additional Koreans Qualified (Bomber, Check, KingKong, SeleCT, viOLet)
6 Koreans Eliminated (Apocalypse, Check, KingKong, Sage, Tassadar, viOLet)

Net change of -1 Korean with 16 Koreans left in Premier League Ro32, pending the outcome of Crank vs PiG.

You can probably count SeleCT as American

That's what I do *bald eagle in front of american flag with "I'm Proud to be an American" playing in the background.*


I don't think he intends to go back to Korea, so I'd consider him American.

Also, I hope immortal sentry all ins come back into style... why did they ever stop?
Maru - The Terran hope is alive!
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