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Northern Ireland27368 Posts
Zerg ZvP in latter day WoL was pretty horrific. Likely to have gone the same way if it had stayed with Swarmturtle being more figured out
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On January 22 2014 21:28 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:27 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:25 Zealously wrote:On January 22 2014 21:19 imrusty269 wrote:On January 22 2014 21:11 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 21:04 Bagi wrote:On January 22 2014 21:01 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 20:58 DJHelium wrote:On January 22 2014 20:56 Bagi wrote:On January 22 2014 20:45 samurai80 wrote:
A bunch of P win in GSL: twitch mode activated. We had multiple times the same "imbalance" in GSL results in previous seasons, often in favor of terrans, but interestingly enough the whine wasn't that hard. Nerf T whine pls ! That was 2011, people were only starting to play on bigger maps and the game as a whole wasn't figured out in the least. People expect better balance in the games 4th year. Also having a race imbalanced just because another race was imbalanced before isn't a great way to reason. I think most viewers and players rather have a balanced and fun game to watch, instead of "fairness". There are some balance variations along a short period of time that are naturally going to happen. The shorter the period the more likely it is to have imblance. P endured imbalance for so much more time than this and didn't even whine that much. So I say at the very least wait for over a season (as there are still 6 T remaining this seaon) before whining. Seriously if the crux of your argument is going to be "protoss deserves to be OP" maybe you should just go sit in the corner and really think it over. My point is that some imbalance on a short period of time (half a season of GSL code A) is naturally going to happen, no need to get that mad about it. I wonder why many protoss feel entitled to benefit from imbalance. Wolfdor publicly criticized DP as Z favored and said they felt sorry for Protoss. But they already have a free win MU (according to code A results ) which more than makes up for it!!!! And nobody said anything about the good blink maps or feeling sorry for terrans. Why this double standard? Calling any match-up a free win for one race (unless the map is Longinus in TvZ) makes you look silly Heavy rain PvT might be a strong candidate. There were lots of maps heavily weighted, anyone remember protoss on calm before the storm? Shit was cray cray
PvT: 33-32 (50.8%)
i hated metro the most by far
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 22 2014 21:29 Noonius wrote:
pvp is so weird, 9 min in and both are still on 1 base with no intention of expanding and doing no damage to each other
Welcome to PvP, where the builds are made up and the bases don't matter. Whose probe is it anyway
On January 22 2014 21:30 Wombat_NI wrote:
Zerg ZvP in latter day WoL was pretty horrific. Likely to have gone the same way if it had stayed with Swarmturtle being more figured out
Daybreak + late WoL ZvP. Oh god
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On January 22 2014 21:09 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:04 SlixSC wrote:On January 22 2014 21:02 bo1b wrote:On January 22 2014 20:57 SlixSC wrote:On January 22 2014 20:53 bo1b wrote:
I'm about 90% certain I remember some of the people who are bringing up statistics waving away some of the old tvz stats from the last few seasons lol.
What hypocrites. Could you link us to a Code S season where only 2 zergs or let's be generous and say less than 6 zergs qualified for Code S (in HotS)? Pretty sure that was never the case. I don't really follow Sc2 anymore personally, only occasionally watch Proleague or Code S, so I have no vested interest in balance, but even I can see that the way it is right now isn't right. What hurts the game alot more than balance whine, is people being blind to even the most obvious imbalances. It ruins the fun for everybody, the viewers, the players.... why defend that status quo? I'm not defending it, I think the games current "meta" is a fucking joke. In any event we had several seasons in wcs premier of having just jaedong or and soulkey or scarlett being the only zergs in the finals. I still think despite all of this taeja is going to win. But you are shifting the goalposts here and it's obvious. "In the finals" is veeeeeery different from the Ro32. And one player potentially (just potentially) doing well does not justify the rest of the playerbase being unable to even qualify for the tournament. The gsl/osl wcs eu and am were qualifying events for the wcs finals after each season, and the points accrued were the qualification for the grand finals. 2 zergs were in the ro16 in the grandfinals. In any event check out the wcs season 2 osl, where there were 14 zergs in the tournament, 0 of which made it past the ro8. .
Yes and that was tragic. And is it not true that Zerg got buffed/Terran nerfed (however you want to look at it), several times in HotS now? But when the situation is reversed and Terran is struggling (vs. Protoss in this case) you are taking the opposite stance and argue that there really is nothing to worry about. That's just perplexing to me.
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On January 22 2014 21:30 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:29 Noonius wrote:
pvp is so weird, 9 min in and both are still on 1 base with no intention of expanding and doing no damage to each other Welcome to PvP, where the builds are made up and the bases don't matter. Whose probe is it anyway
Hahaha. 
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On January 22 2014 21:29 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:27 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:25 Zealously wrote:On January 22 2014 21:19 imrusty269 wrote:On January 22 2014 21:11 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 21:04 Bagi wrote:On January 22 2014 21:01 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 20:58 DJHelium wrote:On January 22 2014 20:56 Bagi wrote:On January 22 2014 20:45 samurai80 wrote:
A bunch of P win in GSL: twitch mode activated. We had multiple times the same "imbalance" in GSL results in previous seasons, often in favor of terrans, but interestingly enough the whine wasn't that hard. Nerf T whine pls ! That was 2011, people were only starting to play on bigger maps and the game as a whole wasn't figured out in the least. People expect better balance in the games 4th year. Also having a race imbalanced just because another race was imbalanced before isn't a great way to reason. I think most viewers and players rather have a balanced and fun game to watch, instead of "fairness". There are some balance variations along a short period of time that are naturally going to happen. The shorter the period the more likely it is to have imblance. P endured imbalance for so much more time than this and didn't even whine that much. So I say at the very least wait for over a season (as there are still 6 T remaining this seaon) before whining. Seriously if the crux of your argument is going to be "protoss deserves to be OP" maybe you should just go sit in the corner and really think it over. My point is that some imbalance on a short period of time (half a season of GSL code A) is naturally going to happen, no need to get that mad about it. I wonder why many protoss feel entitled to benefit from imbalance. Wolfdor publicly criticized DP as Z favored and said they felt sorry for Protoss. But they already have a free win MU (according to code A results ) which more than makes up for it!!!! And nobody said anything about the good blink maps or feeling sorry for terrans. Why this double standard? Calling any match-up a free win for one race (unless the map is Longinus in TvZ) makes you look silly Heavy rain PvT might be a strong candidate. I think daedalus is worse in zvp then heavy rain is in pvt. Not by much but still
it's definitely weirdo and once P will run out of tricks it'll be ugly.
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how the mighty have fallen
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On January 22 2014 21:19 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:07 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 22 2014 21:06 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 21:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:01 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 20:58 DJHelium wrote:On January 22 2014 20:56 Bagi wrote:On January 22 2014 20:45 samurai80 wrote:
A bunch of P win in GSL: twitch mode activated. We had multiple times the same "imbalance" in GSL results in previous seasons, often in favor of terrans, but interestingly enough the whine wasn't that hard. Nerf T whine pls ! That was 2011, people were only starting to play on bigger maps and the game as a whole wasn't figured out in the least. People expect better balance in the games 4th year. Also having a race imbalanced just because another race was imbalanced before isn't a great way to reason. I think most viewers and players rather have a balanced and fun game to watch, instead of "fairness". There are some balance variations along a short period of time that are naturally going to happen. The shorter the period the more likely it is to have imblance. P endured imbalance for so much more time than this and didn't even whine that much. So I say at the very least wait for over a season (as there are still 6 T remaining this seaon) before whining. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497go spill your lies somewhere else please. On January 22 2014 21:05 sAsImre wrote:you know what's genuinely good about pvp + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + I don't think you understood his words... Ok let's say you're true and my second quote isn't necessary. Does it mean that what he told me to do doesn't also apply to him ? Come on man...
In short: it doesn't. You made false claims, he called you out on it. End of story.
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On January 22 2014 21:31 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:09 bo1b wrote:On January 22 2014 21:04 SlixSC wrote:On January 22 2014 21:02 bo1b wrote:On January 22 2014 20:57 SlixSC wrote:On January 22 2014 20:53 bo1b wrote:
I'm about 90% certain I remember some of the people who are bringing up statistics waving away some of the old tvz stats from the last few seasons lol.
What hypocrites. Could you link us to a Code S season where only 2 zergs or let's be generous and say less than 6 zergs qualified for Code S (in HotS)? Pretty sure that was never the case. I don't really follow Sc2 anymore personally, only occasionally watch Proleague or Code S, so I have no vested interest in balance, but even I can see that the way it is right now isn't right. What hurts the game alot more than balance whine, is people being blind to even the most obvious imbalances. It ruins the fun for everybody, the viewers, the players.... why defend that status quo? I'm not defending it, I think the games current "meta" is a fucking joke. In any event we had several seasons in wcs premier of having just jaedong or and soulkey or scarlett being the only zergs in the finals. I still think despite all of this taeja is going to win. But you are shifting the goalposts here and it's obvious. "In the finals" is veeeeeery different from the Ro32. And one player potentially (just potentially) doing well does not justify the rest of the playerbase being unable to even qualify for the tournament. The gsl/osl wcs eu and am were qualifying events for the wcs finals after each season, and the points accrued were the qualification for the grand finals. 2 zergs were in the ro16 in the grandfinals. In any event check out the wcs season 2 osl, where there were 14 zergs in the tournament, 0 of which made it past the ro8. . Yes and that was tragic. And is it not true that Zerg got buffed/Terran nerfed (however you want to look at it), several times in HotS now? But when the situation is reversed and Terran is struggling (vs. Protoss in this case) you are taking the opposite stance and argue that there really is nothing to worry about. That's just perplexing to me.
I'm not taking the opposite stance
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On January 22 2014 21:30 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:29 Noonius wrote:
pvp is so weird, 9 min in and both are still on 1 base with no intention of expanding and doing no damage to each other Welcome to PvP, where the builds are made up and the bases don't matter. Whose probe is it anyway Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:30 Wombat_NI wrote:
Zerg ZvP in latter day WoL was pretty horrific. Likely to have gone the same way if it had stayed with Swarmturtle being more figured out Daybreak + late WoL ZvP. Oh god
Any map + late WoL ZvT. Oh god
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On January 22 2014 21:30 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:19 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:19 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 21:07 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 22 2014 21:06 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 21:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:01 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 20:58 DJHelium wrote:On January 22 2014 20:56 Bagi wrote:On January 22 2014 20:45 samurai80 wrote:
A bunch of P win in GSL: twitch mode activated. We had multiple times the same "imbalance" in GSL results in previous seasons, often in favor of terrans, but interestingly enough the whine wasn't that hard. Nerf T whine pls ! That was 2011, people were only starting to play on bigger maps and the game as a whole wasn't figured out in the least. People expect better balance in the games 4th year. Also having a race imbalanced just because another race was imbalanced before isn't a great way to reason. I think most viewers and players rather have a balanced and fun game to watch, instead of "fairness". There are some balance variations along a short period of time that are naturally going to happen. The shorter the period the more likely it is to have imblance. P endured imbalance for so much more time than this and didn't even whine that much. So I say at the very least wait for over a season (as there are still 6 T remaining this seaon) before whining. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497go spill your lies somewhere else please. On January 22 2014 21:05 sAsImre wrote:you know what's genuinely good about pvp + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + I don't think you understood his words... Ok let's say you're true and my second quote isn't necessary. Does it mean that what he told me to do doesn't also apply to him ? Come on man... you're really that immune to humor lol ? U might as well help me but... + Show Spoiler +How is http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497
go spill your lies somewhere else please. humor ???
you quote my joke about pvp and sorry if you're memory is that bad or you're intentionnaly lieing, i prefered to not doubt your memory.
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Northern Ireland27368 Posts
Thanks Fusi, meant to specify Daybreak lol
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On January 22 2014 21:32 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:30 Fusilero wrote:On January 22 2014 21:29 Noonius wrote:
pvp is so weird, 9 min in and both are still on 1 base with no intention of expanding and doing no damage to each other Welcome to PvP, where the builds are made up and the bases don't matter. Whose probe is it anyway On January 22 2014 21:30 Wombat_NI wrote:
Zerg ZvP in latter day WoL was pretty horrific. Likely to have gone the same way if it had stayed with Swarmturtle being more figured out Daybreak + late WoL ZvP. Oh god Any map + late WoL ZvT. Oh god
very late WoL ZvT post IT nerf was ok.
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Just joined, were the Innovation games any good?
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On January 22 2014 21:27 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:22 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 21:20 AlternativeEgo wrote:On January 22 2014 21:19 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 21:07 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 22 2014 21:06 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 21:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:01 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 20:58 DJHelium wrote:On January 22 2014 20:56 Bagi wrote:
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That was 2011, people were only starting to play on bigger maps and the game as a whole wasn't figured out in the least. People expect better balance in the games 4th year. Also having a race imbalanced just because another race was imbalanced before isn't a great way to reason. I think most viewers and players rather have a balanced and fun game to watch, instead of "fairness". There are some balance variations along a short period of time that are naturally going to happen. The shorter the period the more likely it is to have imblance. P endured imbalance for so much more time than this and didn't even whine that much. So I say at the very least wait for over a season (as there are still 6 T remaining this seaon) before whining. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497go spill your lies somewhere else please. On January 22 2014 21:05 sAsImre wrote:you know what's genuinely good about pvp + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + I don't think you understood his words... Ok let's say you're true and my second quote isn't necessary. Does it mean that what he told me to do doesn't also apply to him ? Come on man... I don't know. He gave a history of whine and you returned a thread made today. That's kinda weak. ;p I was looking for the older mad terran (iirc) thread but I could not find it  Ah, the Sad Marine. He got shot.
No it's this one : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=441107 but well, it's not much older...^^ I hope terrans can keep one thread like this opened though.
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On January 22 2014 21:30 Wombat_NI wrote:
Zerg ZvP in latter day WoL was pretty horrific. Likely to have gone the same way if it had stayed with Swarmturtle being more figured out
Thats pretty much because protoss is a fucking useless race. It doesn't really have options other then: gimmicky but 'balanced', op or weak. I think zvp will swing pretty hilariously in favor of zerg soon, and tvp will only get worse. Such a disgusting race.
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On January 22 2014 21:33 TAMinator wrote:
Just joined, were the Innovation games any good?
No.
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Why dont we ever see alterzim? I thought it was included in the wcs map pool
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On January 22 2014 21:34 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:30 Wombat_NI wrote:
Zerg ZvP in latter day WoL was pretty horrific. Likely to have gone the same way if it had stayed with Swarmturtle being more figured out Thats pretty much because protoss is a fucking useless race. It doesn't really have options other then: gimmicky but 'balanced', op or weak. I think zvp will swing pretty hilariously in favor of zerg soon, and tvp will only get worse. Such a disgusting race.
once Z will figured out SH builds it'll be really bad for P.
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On January 22 2014 21:32 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:30 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 21:19 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:19 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 21:07 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 22 2014 21:06 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 21:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:01 samurai80 wrote:On January 22 2014 20:58 DJHelium wrote:On January 22 2014 20:56 Bagi wrote:
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That was 2011, people were only starting to play on bigger maps and the game as a whole wasn't figured out in the least. People expect better balance in the games 4th year. Also having a race imbalanced just because another race was imbalanced before isn't a great way to reason. I think most viewers and players rather have a balanced and fun game to watch, instead of "fairness". There are some balance variations along a short period of time that are naturally going to happen. The shorter the period the more likely it is to have imblance. P endured imbalance for so much more time than this and didn't even whine that much. So I say at the very least wait for over a season (as there are still 6 T remaining this seaon) before whining. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497go spill your lies somewhere else please. On January 22 2014 21:05 sAsImre wrote:you know what's genuinely good about pvp + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + I don't think you understood his words... Ok let's say you're true and my second quote isn't necessary. Does it mean that what he told me to do doesn't also apply to him ? Come on man... you're really that immune to humor lol ? U might as well help me but... + Show Spoiler +How is http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497
go spill your lies somewhere else please. humor ??? you quote my joke about pvp and sorry if you're memory is that bad or you're intentionnaly lieing, i prefered to not doubt your memory.
And this is why I said afterwards that my second quote wasn't necessary.
Edit: you guys pretty good at denying someone's argumentation because of one detail that doesn't change anything to the main speech.
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