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On January 22 2014 18:45 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 18:39 ETisME wrote:On January 22 2014 18:35 Mozdk wrote:On January 22 2014 18:33 ETisME wrote:On January 22 2014 18:30 Mozdk wrote:On January 22 2014 18:29 ETisME wrote:On January 22 2014 18:24 Mozdk wrote:On January 22 2014 18:22 Big J wrote:On January 22 2014 18:20 Mozdk wrote:On January 22 2014 18:19 Big J wrote:
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What hinders you from taking expansions as fast as Zerg if Zerg must not attack them...
I mean, 14Nexus, 15Nexus, 16Nexus... You'll be maxed with whatever you want/need at 15mins. Not about maxing fastest. It's about zerg hitting 80 drones way before. Meaning more money, meaning better army, remax and so on. which isn't true. You can do the math. Hell, with the existence of mules (and my extreme experiements with 4-5CC builds in WoL) it's rather so that Zerg is economically behind Terran in such a scenario. Ok I guess you just broke the meta where TERRAN AND PROTOSS have to preasure zerg to keep them from making drones. Are you really that stupid? wow don't go to personal insult if you lose an argument. You said zerg would win every single game if it was a 15mins no attack game and you can't even provide any counter argument except going back to the actual starcraft game where there is attack before 15mins. :S My argument is completely valid. You're not making sense. "meta where TERRAN AND PROTOSS have to preasure zerg to keep them from making drones." That is not "If starcraft was 15 min no attack " argument completely invalid, sorry So two things that are not exactly the same are not comparable? Are you listening to yourself? T and P can produce workers faster than Z does if it is a 15 mins no attack game. Lol, not even close. Zerg will always have most workers, followed by protoss and then terran. In a 15 min no attack game zerg can probably get around 70 drones by 10min mark, maybe even more, not sure. Terran can get around 50 SCVs and protos is somewhere in between.
I am pretty sure P gets workers out faster than Z if all chrono is spent on workers because in a 2 base vs 2 base situation, Toss is even if not faster to reach 2 base saturation.
that is not taking account of all the extra chrono from the extra nexus you get from a 15 min no rush game
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On January 22 2014 18:47 Fjodorov wrote:
If innovation wont make it to code S it would atleast be nice to see Stork have some success
I didn't watch enough BW to really be able to appreciate him. 
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On January 22 2014 18:38 Khaldor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 18:27 pure.Wasted wrote:
"The kiting by Innovation is amazing!"
"But the Time Warp hits everything."
Hahaha. I don't get what's funny about it tbh. Kiting =/= splitting. His kiting was good but the warp prism got a great time ward off because his bio was clumped up
I personally thought it was funny because in that particular fight it ended up being a non factor because both sides backed off (if I'm remembering correctly.) The commentary was definitely fine, it was just the outcome that was funny after the fact. 
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On January 22 2014 18:44 Heartland wrote:
All these delicious tears!
Tears of a dying game?
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On January 22 2014 18:46 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 18:44 Fjodorov wrote:On January 22 2014 18:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 22 2014 18:38 Khaldor wrote:On January 22 2014 18:27 pure.Wasted wrote:
"The kiting by Innovation is amazing!"
"But the Time Warp hits everything."
Hahaha. I don't get what's funny about it tbh. Kiting =/= splitting. His kiting was good but the warp prism got a great time ward off because his bio was clumped up There is no such thing as a great time warp. It's retardedly easy to cast and BLOCKS MICRO. Remember Fungal Growth? Remember how Blizz reworked it so that it wouldn't stop micro? Then they just go and add more shit like that into the game. Not only does it take no skill, it prevents other people from using skill. Oook. "great time warp" doesnt necessarily mean it was great as in "great display of skill to land it", but rather the fact that the time warp hit everyting was great for the protoss. I wasn't laughing at Wolf/Khaldor. I was laughing at how stupid Time Warp is and the way it shut down Inno's attempts to use skill to quality into Code S.
Ahhh, ok now I get it. I was really confused ^^
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On January 22 2014 18:47 Fjodorov wrote:
If innovation wont make it to code S it would atleast be nice to see Stork have some success
he only needs to won 2 coinflips
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On January 22 2014 18:48 Bagi wrote:Tears of a dying game?
Yeah.... No.
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It would be VERY sick if Stork makes it through tbh. Guy has been playing FOREVER!
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On January 22 2014 18:47 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 18:45 Qwerty85 wrote:On January 22 2014 18:39 ETisME wrote:On January 22 2014 18:35 Mozdk wrote:On January 22 2014 18:33 ETisME wrote:On January 22 2014 18:30 Mozdk wrote:On January 22 2014 18:29 ETisME wrote:On January 22 2014 18:24 Mozdk wrote:On January 22 2014 18:22 Big J wrote:On January 22 2014 18:20 Mozdk wrote:
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Not about maxing fastest. It's about zerg hitting 80 drones way before. Meaning more money, meaning better army, remax and so on. which isn't true. You can do the math. Hell, with the existence of mules (and my extreme experiements with 4-5CC builds in WoL) it's rather so that Zerg is economically behind Terran in such a scenario. Ok I guess you just broke the meta where TERRAN AND PROTOSS have to preasure zerg to keep them from making drones. Are you really that stupid? wow don't go to personal insult if you lose an argument. You said zerg would win every single game if it was a 15mins no attack game and you can't even provide any counter argument except going back to the actual starcraft game where there is attack before 15mins. :S My argument is completely valid. You're not making sense. "meta where TERRAN AND PROTOSS have to preasure zerg to keep them from making drones." That is not "If starcraft was 15 min no attack " argument completely invalid, sorry So two things that are not exactly the same are not comparable? Are you listening to yourself? T and P can produce workers faster than Z does if it is a 15 mins no attack game. Lol, not even close. Zerg will always have most workers, followed by protoss and then terran. In a 15 min no attack game zerg can probably get around 70 drones by 10min mark, maybe even more, not sure. Terran can get around 50 SCVs and protos is somewhere in between. I am pretty sure P gets workers out faster than Z if all chrono is spent on workers because in a 2 base vs 2 base situation, Toss is even if not faster to reach 2 base saturation. that is not taking account of all the extra chrono from the extra nexus you get from a 15 min no rush game
Yeah but zerg wont be on 2 bases at 10min mark if we are talking about 15 min no attack game..They will take way faster third and with 3 hatches injecting zerg production grows exponentially.
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On January 22 2014 18:45 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 18:39 ETisME wrote:On January 22 2014 18:35 Mozdk wrote:On January 22 2014 18:33 ETisME wrote:On January 22 2014 18:30 Mozdk wrote:On January 22 2014 18:29 ETisME wrote:On January 22 2014 18:24 Mozdk wrote:On January 22 2014 18:22 Big J wrote:On January 22 2014 18:20 Mozdk wrote:On January 22 2014 18:19 Big J wrote:
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What hinders you from taking expansions as fast as Zerg if Zerg must not attack them...
I mean, 14Nexus, 15Nexus, 16Nexus... You'll be maxed with whatever you want/need at 15mins. Not about maxing fastest. It's about zerg hitting 80 drones way before. Meaning more money, meaning better army, remax and so on. which isn't true. You can do the math. Hell, with the existence of mules (and my extreme experiements with 4-5CC builds in WoL) it's rather so that Zerg is economically behind Terran in such a scenario. Ok I guess you just broke the meta where TERRAN AND PROTOSS have to preasure zerg to keep them from making drones. Are you really that stupid? wow don't go to personal insult if you lose an argument. You said zerg would win every single game if it was a 15mins no attack game and you can't even provide any counter argument except going back to the actual starcraft game where there is attack before 15mins. :S My argument is completely valid. You're not making sense. "meta where TERRAN AND PROTOSS have to preasure zerg to keep them from making drones." That is not "If starcraft was 15 min no attack " argument completely invalid, sorry So two things that are not exactly the same are not comparable? Are you listening to yourself? T and P can produce workers faster than Z does if it is a 15 mins no attack game. Lol, not even close. Zerg will always have most workers, followed by protoss and then terran. In a 15 min no attack game zerg can probably get around 70 drones by 10min mark, maybe even more, not sure. Terran can get around 50 SCVs and protos is somewhere in between.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=428772
I trust him right now that these times are true and solid, they are real time btw
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everytime khaldor cast and post at the same time, it makes me wonder if the games are casted live or not
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On January 22 2014 18:50 ETisME wrote:
everytime khaldor cast and post at the same time, it makes me wonder if the games are casted live or not
He has his tablet for aligulac and stuff
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On January 22 2014 18:50 ETisME wrote:
everytime khaldor cast and post at the same time, it makes me wonder if the games are casted live or not
At GSL it's not just the players who have world-class multitasking.
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This looks eerily similar to the last game these two played in PL, and that didn't end too well for Stork.
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Canada5565 Posts
Yeah, I do think that warp time or whatever it's called should be removed from the game (along with a few other things...)
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I feel like Khaldors casting has changed this season. He seems more... quiet? And does not correct Wolf as much as he used to.
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On January 22 2014 18:43 GumBa wrote:
If inno doesnt make it I dont even...
You are not going to get yourself moderated if not, are you? I have got five imaginary ESPORT dolleros that says that you will, but I rather not win that bet.
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Northern Ireland27478 Posts
Lol TvP.
Would be nice to see Stork make it through, after Bisu's SC2 struggles and Jangbi looking legit but retiring, some of the Protoss pantheon have to make their presence felt in SC2
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On January 22 2014 18:51 Xxio wrote:
Yeah, I do think that warp time or whatever it's called should be removed from the game (along with a few other things...)
But the ladder winrates are even.
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