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NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
January 17 2014 12:42 GMT
#1001
On January 17 2014 21:40 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 21:37 EthanS wrote:
God... PvT is now 7:1 for P. Only 2 T in Code-S: one gets in from last year, other lucks thru Code-A without hitting Protoss. Is there a problem here?


Err, if you mean Code A, I count 15-4.

Cure is the chosen one.
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
January 17 2014 12:42 GMT
#1002
On January 17 2014 21:39 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself.


No, they are right, the map is bad and it needs to be called out as such until it is removed or changed. It is however appalling that Blizzard can force these abominations down the throats of all their partners, especially a tournament played at the highest level.


you know what is an abomination? free ball vs death ball.

and it happens in every other map with free natural and free 3rd
Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 17 2014 12:42 GMT
#1003
On January 17 2014 21:40 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 21:37 EthanS wrote:
God... PvT is now 7:1 for P. Only 2 T in Code-S: one gets in from last year, other lucks thru Code-A without hitting Protoss. Is there a problem here?


Err, if you mean Code A, I count 15-4.


And in proleague it's 14-6 in favour of Terran. Statistics are fun like that.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
PPN
Profile Joined August 2011
France248 Posts
January 17 2014 12:43 GMT
#1004
On January 17 2014 21:32 Squat wrote:
Deadelus is a like a lever you can turn to moderate the protoss population. The more protosses there are, the more the map comes up. If you are protoss and you play against zerg in the later stages of the group play, when lots of protoss have already advanced, you have to play it 80% of the time. Sounds reasonable.

Maps with imbalance are ok as long as there is somewhat of a fight to watch. With Daedalus we get neither. I just watched a Protoss trying a desperation move and then 2 bases behind leaking from every sides & getting his half dozens units murdered by a ton of zerglings and muta.
Veriol
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic502 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-17 12:44:55
January 17 2014 12:44 GMT
#1005
On January 17 2014 21:38 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself.

I much prefer it when casters tell the truth. The map is bad. Everyone knows it's bad. Trying to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unprofessional.


Sure say the map is bad at start, say it when maybe something happens bacause the map is bad. The map is bad and its imabalnced for zerg, its enough nobody has to rant about it for WHOLE GAME. I enjoyed whole todays cast but this was just bitter end.
"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape." -iloveoov
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
January 17 2014 12:47 GMT
#1006
On January 17 2014 21:42 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 21:40 Ghanburighan wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:37 EthanS wrote:
God... PvT is now 7:1 for P. Only 2 T in Code-S: one gets in from last year, other lucks thru Code-A without hitting Protoss. Is there a problem here?


Err, if you mean Code A, I count 15-4.


And in proleague it's 14-6 in favour of Terran. Statistics are fun like that.


Yep, and if you look at the small but way larger sample size in Aligulac's period 102, PvT is pretty balanced.

Although, I would throw a tiny little rock in the garden of DK, who DID use those 20 proleague games to make a balance judgment.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
January 17 2014 12:47 GMT
#1007
Fantasy continues to disappoint. Sending him out in Proleague might be a mistake.
Flash | Mvp
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
January 17 2014 12:47 GMT
#1008
On January 17 2014 21:44 Veriol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 21:38 Squat wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself.

I much prefer it when casters tell the truth. The map is bad. Everyone knows it's bad. Trying to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unprofessional.


Sure say the map is bad at start, say it when maybe something happens bacause the map is bad. The map is bad and its imabalnced for zerg, its enough nobody has to rant about it for WHOLE GAME. I enjoyed whole todays cast but this was just bitter end.



There is literally nothing to talk about in games on the map though. Either a cheese wins it or there's a ten minute death animation for the Protoss player.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
January 17 2014 12:48 GMT
#1009
On January 17 2014 21:47 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 21:44 Veriol wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:38 Squat wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself.

I much prefer it when casters tell the truth. The map is bad. Everyone knows it's bad. Trying to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unprofessional.


Sure say the map is bad at start, say it when maybe something happens bacause the map is bad. The map is bad and its imabalnced for zerg, its enough nobody has to rant about it for WHOLE GAME. I enjoyed whole todays cast but this was just bitter end.



There is literally nothing to talk about in games on the map though. Either a cheese wins it or there's a ten minute death animation for the Protoss player.


The map stats in ZvP are 5-3.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 17 2014 12:50 GMT
#1010
Everyone just do the Ruin build. Balanced map.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-17 12:52:22
January 17 2014 12:51 GMT
#1011
On January 17 2014 21:48 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 21:47 -Celestial- wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:44 Veriol wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:38 Squat wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself.

I much prefer it when casters tell the truth. The map is bad. Everyone knows it's bad. Trying to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unprofessional.


Sure say the map is bad at start, say it when maybe something happens bacause the map is bad. The map is bad and its imabalnced for zerg, its enough nobody has to rant about it for WHOLE GAME. I enjoyed whole todays cast but this was just bitter end.



There is literally nothing to talk about in games on the map though. Either a cheese wins it or there's a ten minute death animation for the Protoss player.


The map stats in ZvP are 5-3.



What part of:
Either a cheese wins it or there's a ten minute death animation for the Protoss player.


Has anything to do with W/L stats? I mean jese, one of those wins was an offensive wall-off. So yeah, its possible to win if you do some of the weirdest cheese ever. Hardly makes it stable. >_>
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Waywatcher
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands205 Posts
January 17 2014 12:52 GMT
#1012
On January 17 2014 21:47 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 21:44 Veriol wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:38 Squat wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself.

I much prefer it when casters tell the truth. The map is bad. Everyone knows it's bad. Trying to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unprofessional.


Sure say the map is bad at start, say it when maybe something happens bacause the map is bad. The map is bad and its imabalnced for zerg, its enough nobody has to rant about it for WHOLE GAME. I enjoyed whole todays cast but this was just bitter end.



There is literally nothing to talk about in games on the map though. Either a cheese wins it or there's a ten minute death animation for the Protoss player.


Are we already forgotton sOs just went 3gate expand on that map and manage to win a 25 min game.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 17 2014 12:52 GMT
#1013
On January 17 2014 21:50 Darkhoarse wrote:
Everyone just do the Ruin build. Balanced map.


I think it only works if the zerg derps a train of roaches up against the contain for like 3 minutes before going for the nydus though.
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 17 2014 12:52 GMT
#1014
On January 17 2014 21:48 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 21:47 -Celestial- wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:44 Veriol wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:38 Squat wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself.

I much prefer it when casters tell the truth. The map is bad. Everyone knows it's bad. Trying to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unprofessional.


Sure say the map is bad at start, say it when maybe something happens bacause the map is bad. The map is bad and its imabalnced for zerg, its enough nobody has to rant about it for WHOLE GAME. I enjoyed whole todays cast but this was just bitter end.



There is literally nothing to talk about in games on the map though. Either a cheese wins it or there's a ten minute death animation for the Protoss player.


The map stats in ZvP are 5-3.


And P won with 3 cheese...Z won by scouting cheese and countering or 10 minute death animation.
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
January 17 2014 12:52 GMT
#1015
On January 17 2014 21:50 Darkhoarse wrote:
Everyone just do the Ruin build. Balanced map.


must be there more viable builds. is just that people really like the 3 bases turtle into death ball, it's clearly more entertaining
Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
January 17 2014 12:53 GMT
#1016
I think we can all agree that it is a bad map, regardless of statistics.
But unfortunately, it is here to stay at least for this season.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8511 Posts
January 17 2014 12:53 GMT
#1017
On January 17 2014 21:52 Waywatcher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 21:47 -Celestial- wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:44 Veriol wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:38 Squat wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself.

I much prefer it when casters tell the truth. The map is bad. Everyone knows it's bad. Trying to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unprofessional.


Sure say the map is bad at start, say it when maybe something happens bacause the map is bad. The map is bad and its imabalnced for zerg, its enough nobody has to rant about it for WHOLE GAME. I enjoyed whole todays cast but this was just bitter end.



There is literally nothing to talk about in games on the map though. Either a cheese wins it or there's a ten minute death animation for the Protoss player.


Are we already forgotton sOs just went 3gate expand on that map and manage to win a 25 min game.


lol. one of the best protosses won a match on that map. problem solved.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 17 2014 12:54 GMT
#1018
On January 17 2014 21:52 xuanzue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 21:50 Darkhoarse wrote:
Everyone just do the Ruin build. Balanced map.


must be there more viable builds. is just that people really like the 3 bases turtle into death ball, it's clearly more entertaining


Yes, it is entertaining at first because it is different. But the problem is we will definitely see a lot of it since most Zergs WILL pick it.
Waywatcher
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands205 Posts
January 17 2014 12:54 GMT
#1019
On January 17 2014 21:53 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 21:52 Waywatcher wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:47 -Celestial- wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:44 Veriol wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:38 Squat wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself.

I much prefer it when casters tell the truth. The map is bad. Everyone knows it's bad. Trying to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unprofessional.


Sure say the map is bad at start, say it when maybe something happens bacause the map is bad. The map is bad and its imabalnced for zerg, its enough nobody has to rant about it for WHOLE GAME. I enjoyed whole todays cast but this was just bitter end.



There is literally nothing to talk about in games on the map though. Either a cheese wins it or there's a ten minute death animation for the Protoss player.


Are we already forgotton sOs just went 3gate expand on that map and manage to win a 25 min game.


lol. one of the best protosses won a match on that map. problem solved.


I don't say the map is balanced, its just if you are clearly better you can still win with a macro game.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
January 17 2014 12:54 GMT
#1020
On January 17 2014 21:52 Waywatcher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 21:47 -Celestial- wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:44 Veriol wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:38 Squat wrote:
On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself.

I much prefer it when casters tell the truth. The map is bad. Everyone knows it's bad. Trying to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unprofessional.


Sure say the map is bad at start, say it when maybe something happens bacause the map is bad. The map is bad and its imabalnced for zerg, its enough nobody has to rant about it for WHOLE GAME. I enjoyed whole todays cast but this was just bitter end.



There is literally nothing to talk about in games on the map though. Either a cheese wins it or there's a ten minute death animation for the Protoss player.


Are we already forgotton sOs just went 3gate expand on that map and manage to win a 25 min game.



And there have also been games where proxy rax lost against hatch-first. Weird stuff happens sometimes.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
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