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Daedalus is funny because it just goes against their own racial design. It's so odd, the map seems made in complete obliviousness with regards to how the early game works. But they designed both things, so how does that happen?
"Imbalanced" maps can be cool though, like rush maps or something with unusual mechanics. I'd like to see more unusual maps in general, but Daedalus isn't exactly the way to go (Even disregarding the open natural, the entire middle is just flat with a very small amount of obstacles)
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On January 17 2014 21:54 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 21:52 Waywatcher wrote:On January 17 2014 21:47 -Celestial- wrote:On January 17 2014 21:44 Veriol wrote:On January 17 2014 21:38 Squat wrote:On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself. I much prefer it when casters tell the truth. The map is bad. Everyone knows it's bad. Trying to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unprofessional. Sure say the map is bad at start, say it when maybe something happens bacause the map is bad. The map is bad and its imabalnced for zerg, its enough nobody has to rant about it for WHOLE GAME. I enjoyed whole todays cast but this was just bitter end. There is literally nothing to talk about in games on the map though. Either a cheese wins it or there's a ten minute death animation for the Protoss player. Are we already forgotton sOs just went 3gate expand on that map and manage to win a 25 min game. And there have also been games where proxy rax lost against hatch-first. Weird stuff happens sometimes.
11-11 lost vs 3 hatch before pool...
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United States23455 Posts
On January 17 2014 21:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 21:50 Darkhoarse wrote:
Everyone just do the Ruin build. Balanced map. I think it only works if the zerg derps a train of roaches up against the contain for like 3 minutes before going for the nydus though.
Haha just making a joke 
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On January 17 2014 21:55 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 21:54 -Celestial- wrote:On January 17 2014 21:52 Waywatcher wrote:On January 17 2014 21:47 -Celestial- wrote:On January 17 2014 21:44 Veriol wrote:On January 17 2014 21:38 Squat wrote:On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself. I much prefer it when casters tell the truth. The map is bad. Everyone knows it's bad. Trying to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unprofessional. Sure say the map is bad at start, say it when maybe something happens bacause the map is bad. The map is bad and its imabalnced for zerg, its enough nobody has to rant about it for WHOLE GAME. I enjoyed whole todays cast but this was just bitter end. There is literally nothing to talk about in games on the map though. Either a cheese wins it or there's a ten minute death animation for the Protoss player. Are we already forgotton sOs just went 3gate expand on that map and manage to win a 25 min game. And there have also been games where proxy rax lost against hatch-first. Weird stuff happens sometimes. 11-11 lost vs 3 hatch before pool...
Lol, was that the IM Happy game?
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On January 17 2014 21:57 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 21:55 vthree wrote:On January 17 2014 21:54 -Celestial- wrote:On January 17 2014 21:52 Waywatcher wrote:On January 17 2014 21:47 -Celestial- wrote:On January 17 2014 21:44 Veriol wrote:On January 17 2014 21:38 Squat wrote:On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself. I much prefer it when casters tell the truth. The map is bad. Everyone knows it's bad. Trying to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unprofessional. Sure say the map is bad at start, say it when maybe something happens bacause the map is bad. The map is bad and its imabalnced for zerg, its enough nobody has to rant about it for WHOLE GAME. I enjoyed whole todays cast but this was just bitter end. There is literally nothing to talk about in games on the map though. Either a cheese wins it or there's a ten minute death animation for the Protoss player. Are we already forgotton sOs just went 3gate expand on that map and manage to win a 25 min game. And there have also been games where proxy rax lost against hatch-first. Weird stuff happens sometimes. 11-11 lost vs 3 hatch before pool... Lol, was that the IM Happy game?
yes. He retired in shame
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Italy12246 Posts
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United States23455 Posts
On January 17 2014 21:57 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 21:55 vthree wrote:On January 17 2014 21:54 -Celestial- wrote:On January 17 2014 21:52 Waywatcher wrote:On January 17 2014 21:47 -Celestial- wrote:On January 17 2014 21:44 Veriol wrote:On January 17 2014 21:38 Squat wrote:On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself. I much prefer it when casters tell the truth. The map is bad. Everyone knows it's bad. Trying to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unprofessional. Sure say the map is bad at start, say it when maybe something happens bacause the map is bad. The map is bad and its imabalnced for zerg, its enough nobody has to rant about it for WHOLE GAME. I enjoyed whole todays cast but this was just bitter end. There is literally nothing to talk about in games on the map though. Either a cheese wins it or there's a ten minute death animation for the Protoss player. Are we already forgotton sOs just went 3gate expand on that map and manage to win a 25 min game. And there have also been games where proxy rax lost against hatch-first. Weird stuff happens sometimes. 11-11 lost vs 3 hatch before pool... Lol, was that the IM Happy game?
IMHappy vs RorO. Poor guy retired out of shame after.
EDIT: wow frostedminiwheats too good
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On January 17 2014 21:57 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 21:55 vthree wrote:On January 17 2014 21:54 -Celestial- wrote:On January 17 2014 21:52 Waywatcher wrote:On January 17 2014 21:47 -Celestial- wrote:On January 17 2014 21:44 Veriol wrote:On January 17 2014 21:38 Squat wrote:On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself. I much prefer it when casters tell the truth. The map is bad. Everyone knows it's bad. Trying to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unprofessional. Sure say the map is bad at start, say it when maybe something happens bacause the map is bad. The map is bad and its imabalnced for zerg, its enough nobody has to rant about it for WHOLE GAME. I enjoyed whole todays cast but this was just bitter end. There is literally nothing to talk about in games on the map though. Either a cheese wins it or there's a ten minute death animation for the Protoss player. Are we already forgotton sOs just went 3gate expand on that map and manage to win a 25 min game. And there have also been games where proxy rax lost against hatch-first. Weird stuff happens sometimes. 11-11 lost vs 3 hatch before pool... Lol, was that the IM Happy game?
Yes, and I think another EU Protoss also lost vs Scarlett(?) with proxy v 3 hatch pool a couple weeks later
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United States97276 Posts
On January 17 2014 22:02 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 21:57 Qwerty85 wrote:On January 17 2014 21:55 vthree wrote:On January 17 2014 21:54 -Celestial- wrote:On January 17 2014 21:52 Waywatcher wrote:On January 17 2014 21:47 -Celestial- wrote:On January 17 2014 21:44 Veriol wrote:On January 17 2014 21:38 Squat wrote:On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself. I much prefer it when casters tell the truth. The map is bad. Everyone knows it's bad. Trying to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unprofessional. Sure say the map is bad at start, say it when maybe something happens bacause the map is bad. The map is bad and its imabalnced for zerg, its enough nobody has to rant about it for WHOLE GAME. I enjoyed whole todays cast but this was just bitter end. There is literally nothing to talk about in games on the map though. Either a cheese wins it or there's a ten minute death animation for the Protoss player. Are we already forgotton sOs just went 3gate expand on that map and manage to win a 25 min game. And there have also been games where proxy rax lost against hatch-first. Weird stuff happens sometimes. 11-11 lost vs 3 hatch before pool... Lol, was that the IM Happy game? Yes, and I think another EU Protoss also lost vs Scarlett(?) with proxy v 3 hatch pool a couple weeks later
Scarlett beat GuMiho 3 hatch before pool vs 11-11 in one of the RSLs
also never forget Marineking vs Ace in the Super Tournament
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Canada16217 Posts
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I added all VODs. I have to trust GOM with this, so I just assume they're correct
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United States23455 Posts
MVP having the worst luck in code A so far.
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On January 17 2014 22:03 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 22:02 vthree wrote:On January 17 2014 21:57 Qwerty85 wrote:On January 17 2014 21:55 vthree wrote:On January 17 2014 21:54 -Celestial- wrote:On January 17 2014 21:52 Waywatcher wrote:On January 17 2014 21:47 -Celestial- wrote:On January 17 2014 21:44 Veriol wrote:On January 17 2014 21:38 Squat wrote:On January 17 2014 21:35 Veriol wrote:
Holy zombie jesus, get the grip on yourself Khaldor/Wolf TEN MINUTES NONSTOP RANT about how the map is bad and its unplayable blablabla... srsly get hold on yourself. I much prefer it when casters tell the truth. The map is bad. Everyone knows it's bad. Trying to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unprofessional. Sure say the map is bad at start, say it when maybe something happens bacause the map is bad. The map is bad and its imabalnced for zerg, its enough nobody has to rant about it for WHOLE GAME. I enjoyed whole todays cast but this was just bitter end. There is literally nothing to talk about in games on the map though. Either a cheese wins it or there's a ten minute death animation for the Protoss player. Are we already forgotton sOs just went 3gate expand on that map and manage to win a 25 min game. And there have also been games where proxy rax lost against hatch-first. Weird stuff happens sometimes. 11-11 lost vs 3 hatch before pool... Lol, was that the IM Happy game? Yes, and I think another EU Protoss also lost vs Scarlett(?) with proxy v 3 hatch pool a couple weeks later Scarlett beat GuMiho 3 hatch before pool vs 11-11 in one of the RSLs also never forget Marineking vs Ace in the Super Tournament
The game on Bel'Shir vs Sonic is even better imo.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Perfect results 
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On January 17 2014 21:55 Kasaraki wrote:
Daedalus is funny because it just goes against their own racial design. It's so odd, the map seems made in complete obliviousness with regards to how the early game works. But they designed both things, so how does that happen?
"Imbalanced" maps can be cool though, like rush maps or something with unusual mechanics. I'd like to see more unusual maps in general, but Daedalus isn't exactly the way to go (Even disregarding the open natural, the entire middle is just flat with a very small amount of obstacles)
because they want to see if people work something out ? you have to test boundaries and if people don't want to test, then you have to force them.
I like the map and how different Protoss plays on it. The best part, you only face Zergs most of the time on this map.
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On January 17 2014 22:28 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 21:55 Kasaraki wrote:
Daedalus is funny because it just goes against their own racial design. It's so odd, the map seems made in complete obliviousness with regards to how the early game works. But they designed both things, so how does that happen?
"Imbalanced" maps can be cool though, like rush maps or something with unusual mechanics. I'd like to see more unusual maps in general, but Daedalus isn't exactly the way to go (Even disregarding the open natural, the entire middle is just flat with a very small amount of obstacles) I like the map and how different Protoss plays on it. The best part, you only face Zergs most of the time on this map.
Forces protoss to all in. Yep...
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Daedalus gave me an idea for a map. Three spawn, one spawn is incredibly good for zerg, one spawn is incredibly good for terran, one spawn is incredibly good for protoss, but you don't get to choose where you spawn or where your opponent does.
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On January 17 2014 22:41 Nebuchad wrote:
Daedalus gave me an idea for a map. Three spawn, one spawn is incredibly good for zerg, one spawn is incredibly good for terran, one spawn is incredibly good for protoss, but you don't get to choose where you spawn or where your opponent does.
Assuming a player doesn't spawn at their favoured base and the opponent has spawned at their own favoured base:
Terran builds up at their favoured base and builds their second CC there, then lifts their main to become their natural.
Zerg just creeps up and takes their good one as a third perhaps.
Protoss can't relocate to their good one without saccing their main. And can't take it as a third because it'll be too far from the main to defend in any shape, way or form.
Theoretically it'd be an interesting map to see. But I can't help feeling it'd just expose the weakness of Protoss' ability to defend bases further. I mean the MSC was implemented because of the difficulty in defending bases that are relatively close together; let alone defending a different main entirely away from yours.
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On January 17 2014 22:28 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 21:55 Kasaraki wrote:
Daedalus is funny because it just goes against their own racial design. It's so odd, the map seems made in complete obliviousness with regards to how the early game works. But they designed both things, so how does that happen?
"Imbalanced" maps can be cool though, like rush maps or something with unusual mechanics. I'd like to see more unusual maps in general, but Daedalus isn't exactly the way to go (Even disregarding the open natural, the entire middle is just flat with a very small amount of obstacles) because they want to see if people work something out ? you have to test boundaries and if people don't want to test, then you have to force them. I like the map and how different Protoss plays on it. The best part, you only face Zergs most of the time on this map.
Then we should have maps with only 1 base per player as well, right? I am all for different maps, but it has to be somewhat balance...
They can put it on ladder if they want people to work things out, but not in the highest level tournaments.
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Flash down. Fanta down. I'm done
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