EPTOn January 15 2014 20:38 Fjodorov wrote:
damnit why does a P have to stand in the way of Gumiho
damnit why does a P have to stand in the way of Gumiho
He will be twice as happy if he wins then!
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Doublemint
Austria8670 Posts
He will be twice as happy if he wins then! | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:39 DJHelium wrote: Shine saw Gumiho save up marauders and hellions in his natural, should've been able to prepare imo. he scouted the 3rd and didn't know the fac had prod non stop, he was tricked by his scouting :'( | ||
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Swiipii
2195 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:39 DJHelium wrote: Shine saw Gumiho save up marauders and hellions in his natural, should've been able to prepare imo. He saw 2 marauders which is standard if the Terran fears some kind of agression (Gumiho did see a worker still mining gas). | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
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THELEHGOTERRAN
United States1837 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:37 Zheryn wrote: Well this game was kind of over after the kill on the third. Not really sure how to know that push is coming when terran has map control with hellions. dunno how terran can hide that when they don't have anything that can shoot up  | ||
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:39 Doublemint wrote: He will be twice as happy if he wins then! He won't. Classic beat him so convincingly in that last series that I'd be amazed if Gumiho even takes a map in the second series. Don't get me wrong, I'd be thrilled but I just don't see it happening. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:39 Vindicare605 wrote: yay Gumiho! I don't think he'll win vs Classic simply because his creativity just isn't anywhere near as valuable in TvP as it is in TvZ but it's good to see him not go last in this group. Yeah I feel he is hit especially hard by the staleness of the TvP matchup from the terran perspective. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
Thanks for the LR Shellshock | ||
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ETisME
12627 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:37 Vindicare605 wrote: If I told you a strategy was successful let's say.... 3 out of 25 times (and that's being generous) would you consider it viable? It's not viable. It's not that Bio is better (which it is) Mech just has way too many weaknesses a good Protoss can exploit while having so few strengths to make it worth using. The few times we've seen it employed successfully at the pro-Level it has been in timing attack all ins, most of which are only successful due to significant Hellion or Widow Mine damage done due to poor preparation or scouting from the Protoss. That's not viability, that's fluke wins. I am pretty sure for all Korea broadcasted tvp mech game. The win rate is higher than its lose rate. Also don't forget mine drop is one opening for mech and also bio. The fact that the terran chooses mech as a follow up shows mech does have potential. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:41 Fjodorov wrote: Yeah I feel he is hit especially hard by the staleness of the TvP matchup from the terran perspective. He's just one of many. The match up is pure mechanics at this point, there's so few ways to catch a Protoss off guard in a BoX series. Doesn't help that you always have to play safe in case they decide THEY want to be aggressive and go for any one of their all ins they can use. Terrans like Gumiho just can't survive in that kind of environment. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:35 ETisME wrote: It's viable. It's just there is no reason to use mech over bio, just like pre widow mine nerf and combine upgrade buff in tvz. Bio is just better in most cases. But it certainly can work We saw supernova winning with mech so at least it worked at pro level occasionally That is not how it works. Before the tank buff and combined upgrades we never saw mech in Hots TvZ as well. Now we have 2 possible playstyles. If mech was really viable against protoss as you claim it is, we would see it at least in like 1/10th of games played. And I remember that Supernova game. It was on Frost, horizontal spawn. Not sure who was the protoss but I remember that he opened oracle and despite being able to fly around Supernova's base and scout he recognized he is playing against mech super late. And before that he went for a 2 base storm all in and suicided everything into bunkers and siege tanks. SN also had WM on both 3rd bases so his third was delayed for a long time because he had no robo and detection. Only then he added robos and Supernova already had like a 100 supply advantage when he moved out. So it was basically a major screw up on protoss part. Not the best example of mech being viable. You know mech is super rare since I remember almost the whole game, lol | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:42 ETisME wrote: I am pretty sure for all Korea broadcasted tvp mech game. The win rate is higher than its lose rate. Also don't forget mine drop is one opening for mech and also bio. The fact that the terran chooses mech as a follow up shows mech does have potential. Maru could've win with upgradeless marines... that's the case for quite a few mech vP games when you just get a good harass/bbq off and then can win with mass vikings if you want. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:42 ETisME wrote: I am pretty sure for all Korea broadcasted tvp mech game. The win rate is higher than its lose rate. Also don't forget mine drop is one opening for mech and also bio. The fact that the terran chooses mech as a follow up shows mech does have potential. Love to see where you get THAT stat from. I watch more Starcraft than is probably healthy and I think I've seen ONE Mech win in all of that time that wasn't the result of some kind of fluke damage done from Hellions or Widow Mines and I've NEVER seen it successful at the top levels of play. Thing is, when you do that kind of damage it doesn't even matter what you follow it up with. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:47 Shellshock wrote: I'm not going to LR the last series because I have some stuff to do. If anyone wants to give it a shot feel free EDIT: actually nvm, I'm too tired for that shit too lol. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:47 Shellshock wrote: I'm not going to LR the last series because I have some stuff to do. If anyone wants to give it a shot feel free Thanks Shellbot! LF1Soul with the balls to do it! | ||
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
This aint gonna work | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:48 Wintex wrote: Thanks Shellbot! LF1Soul with the balls to do it! *starts chant* Wintex...wintex...wintex...wintex..wintex...! | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8670 Posts
On January 15 2014 20:40 Vindicare605 wrote: He won't. Classic beat him so convincingly in that last series that I'd be amazed if Gumiho even takes a map in the second series. Don't get me wrong, I'd be thrilled but I just don't see it happening. I don't see how the "he won't." fits in there as a comment to my post, but yeah, other than that I guess you are right. | ||
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