I honestly think Samsung have drawn awesome ties here, with only Hydra vs Reality the one i see a bit one sided.
EffOrt vs Shine is ZvZ and can go both ways with a lucky 10pool vs 15H or something herO vs Stork - PvP enough said Sora vs RorO....is RorO ANYTHING can happen xD
Solar isn't playing? 3-1 for CJ Entus, Effort will lose probably but doesn't matter.
If CJ gonna lose this match as well with remaining matches against SKT T1, Green Wings and IM, things will look grim in first round for Coach Park's squad.
On January 03 2014 22:58 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Solar isn't playing? 3-1 for CJ Entus, Effort will lose probably but doesn't matter.
If CJ gonna lose this match as well with remaining matches against SKT T1, Green Wings and IM, things will look grim in first round for Coach Park's squad.
Benching the ace in favor of the worst player in Korea
On January 03 2014 22:58 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Solar isn't playing? 3-1 for CJ Entus, Effort will lose probably but doesn't matter.
If CJ gonna lose this match as well with remaining matches against SKT T1, Green Wings and IM, things will look grim in first round for Coach Park's squad.
Benching the ace in favor of the worst player in Korea
On January 03 2014 22:58 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Solar isn't playing? 3-1 for CJ Entus, Effort will lose probably but doesn't matter.
If CJ gonna lose this match as well with remaining matches against SKT T1, Green Wings and IM, things will look grim in first round for Coach Park's squad.
Benching the ace in favor of the worst player in Korea
Chance is high for him not to play :D
Now, now, I don't think it's that obvious that Khan will crush CJ Entus 3-0. At least give herO a chance!
On January 03 2014 22:58 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Solar isn't playing? 3-1 for CJ Entus, Effort will lose probably but doesn't matter.
If CJ gonna lose this match as well with remaining matches against SKT T1, Green Wings and IM, things will look grim in first round for Coach Park's squad.
Benching the ace in favor of the worst player in Korea
Chance is high for him not to play :D
Now, now, I don't think it's that obvious that Khan will crush CJ Entus 3-0. At least give herO a chance!
On January 03 2014 22:58 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Solar isn't playing? 3-1 for CJ Entus, Effort will lose probably but doesn't matter.
If CJ gonna lose this match as well with remaining matches against SKT T1, Green Wings and IM, things will look grim in first round for Coach Park's squad.
Benching the ace in favor of the worst player in Korea
It's a homage to January, given that this is the first game in January. Gotta pay respect the Goddess of Lineup Troll.
On January 03 2014 22:58 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Solar isn't playing? 3-1 for CJ Entus, Effort will lose probably but doesn't matter.
If CJ gonna lose this match as well with remaining matches against SKT T1, Green Wings and IM, things will look grim in first round for Coach Park's squad.
Benching the ace in favor of the worst player in Korea
Chance is high for him not to play :D
Now, now, I don't think it's that obvious that Khan will crush CJ Entus 3-0. At least give herO a chance!
They're GALAXY now.
Samsung Galaxy Khan. Galaxy is merely an unimportant middle name.
I seriously think Reality has a ton of potential. I hope Stork wins, though it doesn't look too good. God I just want him to be great again. And hopefully Roro can prove he isn't the worst best Zerg in the world. Though if I had to put money down, it would be on CJ for this.
On January 03 2014 22:58 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Solar isn't playing? 3-1 for CJ Entus, Effort will lose probably but doesn't matter.
If CJ gonna lose this match as well with remaining matches against SKT T1, Green Wings and IM, things will look grim in first round for Coach Park's squad.
Benching the ace in favor of the worst player in Korea
Chance is high for him not to play :D
Now, now, I don't think it's that obvious that Khan will crush CJ Entus 3-0. At least give herO a chance!
They're GALAXY now.
nah they're still KHAN, just with a little bit extra galaxy
Come on guys, since RorO is known for being unpredictable, let us try to beat the RorO FPL curse by continuously trading him between anti team and main team in anticipation of his hot streaks and slumps.
On January 05 2014 21:28 Pandemona wrote: CJ vs Samsung starting in about 10-15minutes from this post.
sup cuz
Lets go Protoss guide mannnnnn Your brothers getting rekttttt by Terran today ;3
We have to let you guys have hope anyway, it's more fun to crush your dreams then...kind of like those few games when zergs on broodlord infestor lost.
I had high hopes for Reality when they first switched over and he made me lots of points last season so I hope he can do well for me again by taking out Hydra
Anonymous asked: Do you think you could beat Khaldor in a fight if you were given a blunt weapon of your choice and he was bare handed? If a ‘blunt weapon’ just happens to a piano I could drop on his head from one floor above, I think I’d have a small chance of victory. He might still win, though.
Anonymous asked: If you were a woman and had to be impregnated by any Starcraft player or caster, which partner do you think would result in the best looking baby with your DNAs combined? Since you said “any”, I’d have to go with myself. My mini-self would be so sexy. I mean, look at me. Is this even a question?
he avoided mine though TT
dp624 asked: How are things going to work out with you, Khaldor, Code A and other GOMTV events? Is there any chance of a SPOTV individual league, or teams joining mid-season? Just wait. I can’t say anything about these yet, but information will be widely available soon. Sorry I can’t give any more.
Anonymous asked: Do you think you could beat Khaldor in a fight if you were given a blunt weapon of your choice and he was bare handed? If a ‘blunt weapon’ just happens to a piano I could drop on his head from one floor above, I think I’d have a small chance of victory. He might still win, though.
Anonymous asked: If you were a woman and had to be impregnated by any Starcraft player or caster, which partner do you think would result in the best looking baby with your DNAs combined? Since you said “any”, I’d have to go with myself. My mini-self would be so sexy. I mean, look at me. Is this even a question?
he avoided mine though TT
dp624 asked: How are things going to work out with you, Khaldor, Code A and other GOMTV events? Is there any chance of a SPOTV individual league, or teams joining mid-season? Just wait. I can’t say anything about these yet, but information will be widely available soon. Sorry I can’t give any more.
I'm a bit weirded out by the fact that he would impregnate himself. ;o
On January 05 2014 21:28 Pandemona wrote: CJ vs Samsung starting in about 10-15minutes from this post.
sup cuz
Lets go Protoss guide mannnnnn Your brothers getting rekttttt by Terran today ;3
We have to let you guys have hope anyway, it's more fun to crush your dreams then...kind of like those few games when zergs on broodlord infestor lost.
On January 05 2014 21:50 Musicus wrote: Man the things FPL does to you, great zergs playing today and I just want to see the PvP already.
In my case, it makes me cheer for dirty Protosses against Maru. FPL turns you into a completely different person.
FPL is so good for foreign SPL viewership, it makes you more invested in the games/matches.
so true, it even brings some friends back that don't really follow or play starcraft these days, they will still make a fpl team and check the results :D
On January 05 2014 21:50 Musicus wrote: Man the things FPL does to you, great zergs playing today and I just want to see the PvP already.
In my case, it makes me cheer for dirty Protosses against Maru. FPL turns you into a completely different person.
FPL is so good for foreign SPL viewership, it makes you more invested in the games/matches.
so true, it even brings some friends back that don't really follow or play starcraft these days, they will still make a fpl team and check the results :D
a revamped liquibet would help a lot as well, the current system is a bit eh. it's been on the staff agenda for a while.
On January 05 2014 21:50 Musicus wrote: Man the things FPL does to you, great zergs playing today and I just want to see the PvP already.
In my case, it makes me cheer for dirty Protosses against Maru. FPL turns you into a completely different person.
FPL is so good for foreign SPL viewership, it makes you more invested in the games/matches.
so true, it even brings some friends back that don't really follow or play starcraft these days, they will still make a fpl team and check the results :D
a revamped liquibet would help a lot as well, the current system is a bit eh. it's been on the staff agenda for a while.
On January 05 2014 22:00 DarkLordOlli wrote: I love Proleague so much. You really get to see stuff that the Koreans have been working on inside their team houses
now this weird wall and not adding factories even though he has enough minerals and gas. He isn't even microing anything. Is the minerals and gas count at the top wrong or is Reality just playing reaaaaaaaaaaaally slow?
On January 05 2014 21:50 Musicus wrote: Man the things FPL does to you, great zergs playing today and I just want to see the PvP already.
In my case, it makes me cheer for dirty Protosses against Maru. FPL turns you into a completely different person.
FPL is so good for foreign SPL viewership, it makes you more invested in the games/matches.
so true, it even brings some friends back that don't really follow or play starcraft these days, they will still make a fpl team and check the results :D
a revamped liquibet would help a lot as well, the current system is a bit eh. it's been on the staff agenda for a while.
oh wow, that would be epic, good news
no progress though lolol, it needs someone to babysit it, if opterpassion increases i could take a look into it, i have a few ideas
On January 05 2014 22:02 Teoita wrote: Mech is goddamn boring btw
Reality is playing really really weird though. No harass at all. Going turtle and eco instead of units. Really late on adding unit producing structures as well. I think he wants to play the ultra-slow ultra-turtle style that Goody does.
On January 05 2014 21:50 Musicus wrote: Man the things FPL does to you, great zergs playing today and I just want to see the PvP already.
In my case, it makes me cheer for dirty Protosses against Maru. FPL turns you into a completely different person.
FPL is so good for foreign SPL viewership, it makes you more invested in the games/matches.
so true, it even brings some friends back that don't really follow or play starcraft these days, they will still make a fpl team and check the results :D
a revamped liquibet would help a lot as well, the current system is a bit eh. it's been on the staff agenda for a while.
oh wow, that would be epic, good news
no progress though lolol, it needs someone to babysit it, if opterpassion increases i could take a look into it, i have a few ideas
It's funny how Wolf was at the start of the game like: "hydra is a timing-oriented player, he doesn't like to sit back and macro up" only for the game to be a pure macro game without any interaction whatsoever.
I HOPE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD HE GET rid of those banshees and make 5-6 raven + viking + bc with little scv and little tank he will win 100% if he does that
On January 05 2014 22:12 MajOr wrote: I HOPE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD HE GET rid of those banshees and make 5-6 raven + viking + bc with little scv and little tank he will win 100% if he does that
If he just kept a-moving ultras around the map after the first attack that got into the main, he woulda won easily. But he let Reality build 4 PFs at the top base and stabilize.
edit: wow he's killing his own thors to free supply :D never thought I'd see that
On January 05 2014 22:15 mechengineer123 wrote: If he just kept a-moving ultras around the map after the first attack that got into the main, he woulda won easily. But he let Reality build 4 PFs at the top base and stabilize.
Ultras build faster but not as fast as lings. Reality had his whole army set up there. -_-
Hydra making weird units, broodlords are almost useless here, you need swarm hosts, mass spore, hydras and vipers. Play like Goswser did vs that terran who might have been lucifron
hes overmaking ravens u dont want more than 8 max. otherwise its impossible to use all energy on 1 fight u want battlecruiser viking and 6-8 ravens and than zerg really cant win
On January 05 2014 22:21 MajOr wrote: hes overmaking ravens u dont want more than 8 max. otherwise its impossible to use all energy on 1 fight u want battlecruiser viking and 6-8 ravens and than zerg really cant win
Hydra has almost used up his gas bank, but Reality is stuck trying to remax at all. Pretty close, because Hydra traded so poorly these last few battles.
On January 05 2014 22:22 Doublemint wrote: I wonder... can you fungal HSM in midair? how cool would that be.
No you can't, I remember a Stephano vs Thorzain build on Metalopolis which went into a split map scenario, with mass ravens. Stephano tried to fungal the HSM. :p
On January 05 2014 22:22 stuchiu wrote: Hellions? That smacks of desperation.
Hey, listen. Kill off the workers and suddenly Zerg only has a massive army, a huge bank and map control.
The only thing worth killing and making it worth it is probably killing larvae.
This. Not enough people do this I feel. Remove the larva and suddenly the bank is worth nothing. Especially late game, when Queens are part of the army composition and injects may not be as prioritised as they were early game.
On January 05 2014 22:24 Nerchio wrote: Can someome explain to me how is zerg supposed to beat this
I fear this might be one of those " don't let it get that far" solutions, at least until someone innovative comes along that breaks everyones minds
I know it is like that and it was always like that for Zerg, basically there is a death timer for Zerg where if you don't kill your opponent or cripple him a lot before a certain time, you pretty much lost.
On January 05 2014 22:24 Nerchio wrote: Can someome explain to me how is zerg supposed to beat this
I fear this might be one of those " don't let it get that far" solutions, at least until someone innovative comes along that breaks everyones minds
I know it is like that and it was always like that for Zerg, basically there is a death timer for Zerg where if you don't kill your opponent or cripple him a lot before a certain time, you pretty much lost.
However, it's not like it's easy to get there, we don't see it very often
On January 05 2014 22:24 Nerchio wrote: Can someome explain to me how is zerg supposed to beat this
I fear this might be one of those " don't let it get that far" solutions, at least until someone innovative comes along that breaks everyones minds
I know it is like that and it was always like that for Zerg, basically there is a death timer for Zerg where if you don't kill your opponent or cripple him a lot before a certain time, you pretty much lost.
However, it's not like it's easy to get there, we don't see it very often
To be honest with all the mech buffs it's very easy to get to this point as meching player, you just need to play very defensive and there is not many points where Zerg will be able to break you and when you start sacing scv's it's already too late
On January 05 2014 22:24 Nerchio wrote: Can someome explain to me how is zerg supposed to beat this
I fear this might be one of those " don't let it get that far" solutions, at least until someone innovative comes along that breaks everyones minds
I'll repeat then, mass spore, swarm host, hydra viper. Play super defensive, abduct ANYTHING and just sit.
probably you're right, but as a supporter, if that is the truth, I really never want to see that happen, i think it would be the slowest most boring game ever
On January 05 2014 22:24 Nerchio wrote: Can someome explain to me how is zerg supposed to beat this
I fear this might be one of those " don't let it get that far" solutions, at least until someone innovative comes along that breaks everyones minds
I know it is like that and it was always like that for Zerg, basically there is a death timer for Zerg where if you don't kill your opponent or cripple him a lot before a certain time, you pretty much lost.
However, it's not like it's easy to get there, we don't see it very often
To be honest with all the mech buffs it's very easy to get to this point as meching player, you just need to play very defensive and there is not many points where Zerg will be able to break you and when you start sacing scv's it's already too late
If you play too passive you'll just get outplayed.
i have a question. The observer who control the screen are koreans or the caster we are viewing on twitch? They are just watch and talk or control the screen as well?
On January 05 2014 22:24 Nerchio wrote: Can someome explain to me how is zerg supposed to beat this
I fear this might be one of those " don't let it get that far" solutions, at least until someone innovative comes along that breaks everyones minds
I know it is like that and it was always like that for Zerg, basically there is a death timer for Zerg where if you don't kill your opponent or cripple him a lot before a certain time, you pretty much lost.
However, it's not like it's easy to get there, we don't see it very often
To be honest with all the mech buffs it's very easy to get to this point as meching player, you just need to play very defensive and there is not many points where Zerg will be able to break you and when you start sacing scv's it's already too late
If you play too passive you'll just get outplayed.
How do you define "outplayed"? Not necessarily saying that isn't what happened in this game, but if there's nothing you can do, you're not getting "outplayed"
Yamato Cannon don't have splash damage right? also what happens if the zerg neural parasite a BC while it is preparing to fire the Yamato Cannon? Is it canceled?
On January 05 2014 22:24 Nerchio wrote: Can someome explain to me how is zerg supposed to beat this
I fear this might be one of those " don't let it get that far" solutions, at least until someone innovative comes along that breaks everyones minds
I know it is like that and it was always like that for Zerg, basically there is a death timer for Zerg where if you don't kill your opponent or cripple him a lot before a certain time, you pretty much lost.
However, it's not like it's easy to get there, we don't see it very often
To be honest with all the mech buffs it's very easy to get to this point as meching player, you just need to play very defensive and there is not many points where Zerg will be able to break you and when you start sacing scv's it's already too late
If we let Terran beat Zerg with mech this boring for a few months, next expansion we can get a MSC, think about it!!!!!!!
As much as it nice to see Mech, seeing it like that is fucking awful. No one wants to watch 45minutes of nithing and 5 minutes of position and it all over in 20seconds lol.....that's like another game im not going to say which is boring to watch for 1hour ;_;
On January 05 2014 22:24 Nerchio wrote: Can someome explain to me how is zerg supposed to beat this
I fear this might be one of those " don't let it get that far" solutions, at least until someone innovative comes along that breaks everyones minds
I know it is like that and it was always like that for Zerg, basically there is a death timer for Zerg where if you don't kill your opponent or cripple him a lot before a certain time, you pretty much lost.
However, it's not like it's easy to get there, we don't see it very often
To be honest with all the mech buffs it's very easy to get to this point as meching player, you just need to play very defensive and there is not many points where Zerg will be able to break you and when you start sacing scv's it's already too late
If you play too passive you'll just get outplayed.
How do you define "outplayed"? Not necessarily saying that isn't what happened in this game, but if there's nothing you can do, you're not getting "outplayed"
If you force the terran to stay on 3 bases, you can't really lose. The best way to do it is making SH.
On January 05 2014 22:24 Nerchio wrote: Can someome explain to me how is zerg supposed to beat this
I fear this might be one of those " don't let it get that far" solutions, at least until someone innovative comes along that breaks everyones minds
I know it is like that and it was always like that for Zerg, basically there is a death timer for Zerg where if you don't kill your opponent or cripple him a lot before a certain time, you pretty much lost.
However, it's not like it's easy to get there, we don't see it very often
To be honest with all the mech buffs it's very easy to get to this point as meching player, you just need to play very defensive and there is not many points where Zerg will be able to break you and when you start sacing scv's it's already too late
Depending on the map maybe, but I feel if zerg sees it coming, they can start playing to stop terran getting a fourth, and even mech on three bases can't get this far. And there are a couple of sweet sweet muta switch timings and things that can make mech hard to play. I also aggree with the sentiment of mass spores viper, even if it's the most boring thing in the world.
On January 05 2014 22:30 RHoudini wrote: ROFL... and terran wins. Well played, zerg was clueless in end game.
When he did the first attack with ultra's that ran into the main, it was a free win if he kept attacking. But he remaxed on queen/infestor for no reason and let terran build PF all around the map. That was the worst decision. Late-late game is hard to engage for the zerg, so I wouldn't hate on him for that.
On January 05 2014 22:32 ivancype wrote: Yamato Cannon don't have splash damage right? also what happens if the zerg neural parasite a BC while it is preparing to fire the Yamato Cannon? Is it canceled?
Don't know about neural, but you can cancel yamato with a viper pull.
On January 05 2014 22:24 Nerchio wrote: Can someome explain to me how is zerg supposed to beat this
I fear this might be one of those " don't let it get that far" solutions, at least until someone innovative comes along that breaks everyones minds
I know it is like that and it was always like that for Zerg, basically there is a death timer for Zerg where if you don't kill your opponent or cripple him a lot before a certain time, you pretty much lost.
However, it's not like it's easy to get there, we don't see it very often
To be honest with all the mech buffs it's very easy to get to this point as meching player, you just need to play very defensive and there is not many points where Zerg will be able to break you and when you start sacing scv's it's already too late
If we let Terran beat Zerg with mech this boring for a few months, next expansion we can get a MSC, think about it!!!!!!!
On January 05 2014 22:32 samurai80 wrote: Nah, that game wasn't even close. Terrans in late game, get 10 ravens and turtle until zerg gg. I knew it was over at 25 min.
Also this map helps with providing 2 "small" chokes to half the map.
Should have just made a fuckton of swarmhosts ,vipers and spores corrupters , no neutral . No nudys no drop tech , that was a bad display of lategame by Hydra , but it was to be expected he isn't much of a lategame zerg , not very creative ...
On January 05 2014 22:32 Woizit wrote: I thought Reality was absolutely dead from the mid-game. Terrans just seem invincible today I guess.
Well Hydra made many mistakes. He never splitted corrupters against HSM, he didn't split BL to press on the north front at the same time, he never made vipers (well that may not have been a good idea, but he could have tried).
On January 05 2014 22:24 Nerchio wrote: Can someome explain to me how is zerg supposed to beat this
I fear this might be one of those " don't let it get that far" solutions, at least until someone innovative comes along that breaks everyones minds
I know it is like that and it was always like that for Zerg, basically there is a death timer for Zerg where if you don't kill your opponent or cripple him a lot before a certain time, you pretty much lost.
However, it's not like it's easy to get there, we don't see it very often
To be honest with all the mech buffs it's very easy to get to this point as meching player, you just need to play very defensive and there is not many points where Zerg will be able to break you and when you start sacing scv's it's already too late
If we let Terran beat Zerg with mech this boring for a few months, next expansion we can get a MSC, think about it!!!!!!!
Be right back few months
just practice with avilo! both of you are proplayers, right?
I think ground mech is interesting and potentially highly entertaining. Mass air play late game is probably a bit broken. Once this many ravens and vikings are out, the only recourse for zerg is to have complete map control and creep spread and play the most mind-numbingly stupid style ever.
If there was a way to buff ground mech and nerf late game mass raven/viking, I think mech could be pretty good.
On January 05 2014 22:34 raga4ka wrote: Should have just made a fuckton of swarmhosts ,vipers and spores corrupters , no neutral . No nudys no drop tech , that was a bad display of lategame by Hydra , but it was to be expected he isn't much of a lategame zerg , not very creative ...
Yup hydra definetly had the game in the bag but just didnt adjust his composition at all. Just fighting late game mech/air with corruptor brood lord and fungal is never gonna end well.
On January 05 2014 22:35 Squat wrote: I think ground mech is interesting and potentially highly entertaining. Mass air play late game is probably a bit broken. Once this many ravens and vikings are out, the only recourse for zerg is to have complete map control and creep spread and play the most mind-numbingly stupid style ever.
If there was a way to buff ground mech and nerf late game mass raven/viking, I think mech could be pretty good.
On January 05 2014 22:35 Squat wrote: I think ground mech is interesting and potentially highly entertaining. Mass air play late game is probably a bit broken. Once this many ravens and vikings are out, the only recourse for zerg is to have complete map control and creep spread and play the most mind-numbingly stupid style ever.
If there was a way to buff ground mech and nerf late game mass raven/viking, I think mech could be pretty good.
Swarm hosts lead to mass static def into ravens lead to mass air turtling.
Nerf (redesign?) to swarm host accompanied by a raven nerf should go a long way.
Wow, Korean programers might have excellent execution, they're clueless in some area. Hydra had no clue how to play high eco super-lategame ZvT (swarmhosts/vipers/corruptors/mass spores). This looked like reminescent WOL play...
I haven't watched the whole game so I can't comment everything but I dont think Hydra played against late game mech that good. He was in a great spot when he had creep almost to terran third so I think he threw that game away,
I remember watching some terran stream on KR and he faced zerg on that same map and zerg basically had tons of spore crawlers, vipers corruptors, queens and SH + nydus. He was constantly yanking expensive units into spores, constantly harassing less defended bases with SH+nydus and eventually starved terran to death.
I dont think that DK should buff terran air though, that would be a huge mistake on their part (a proposition in the general mech buff test map)
On January 05 2014 22:38 SiroKO wrote: Wow, Korean programers might have excellent execution, they're clueless in some area. Hydra had no clue how to play high eco super-lategame ZvT (swarmhosts/vipers/corruptors/mass spores). This looked like reminescent WOL play...
I think it is forgivable given how rare it is to get to that stage.
I really hope Blizzard focuses on Protoss adjustments to make Mech viable in TvP - because if they buff mech in general, I just think what we just saw becomes the standard TvZ. And in this late game scenrario, depending on the map, I don't think Zerg has any chance to kill the army, because they the Zerg army just melts without killing anything. Even 20 remaxes would not help, tbh.
On January 05 2014 22:24 Nerchio wrote: Can someome explain to me how is zerg supposed to beat this
I fear this might be one of those " don't let it get that far" solutions, at least until someone innovative comes along that breaks everyones minds
I'll repeat then, mass spore, swarm host, hydra viper. Play super defensive, abduct ANYTHING and just sit.
what if you're casually laddering and don't want to waste a minimum of 60 minutes of your life for no gain?
Then you mass muta and hope he's bad.
Or you just leave the game once your opponent maxes out. At least it's what I do when I play against swarmhost/viper/corruptor/infestor as a protoss.
In that situation, like in Snute vs that random toss yesterday, it's just yolo and hope for the best. The longer you wait, the more hopeless it becomes.
That always confuses me when protoss ends up with a zerg safe on 5 bases with a maxed SH army. They always try to play it out, and end up taking the final fight with 160 ish supply and 200 gas in the bank rather than maxed with 6k gas. Once zerg has that army, just go, the longer you wait the worse it gets.
On January 05 2014 22:39 Swisslink wrote: I really hope Blizzard focuses on Protoss adjustments to make Mech viable in TvP - because if they buff mech in general, I just think what we just saw becomes the standard TvZ. And in this late game scenrario, depending on the map, I don't think Zerg has any chance to kill the army, because they the Zerg army just melts without killing anything. Even 20 remaxes would not help, tbh.
You can make maps where its harder to defend 3-4 bases as terran, farther away from each other bases, open bases, and bases made in such a way that you can attack one spot, retreat and then attack another one easily. Maps play a large role into how viable mech is. Initially I thought SS is a terrible mech map, but Reality tailored his strat perfectly to it. You can't attack the bottom terran bases and swoop around north to attack the other bases as quickly because of the architecture, Reality also fortified his north with 5 PFs, guaranteeing he would always have enough buffer to react.
On January 05 2014 22:24 Nerchio wrote: Can someome explain to me how is zerg supposed to beat this
I fear this might be one of those " don't let it get that far" solutions, at least until someone innovative comes along that breaks everyones minds
I'll repeat then, mass spore, swarm host, hydra viper. Play super defensive, abduct ANYTHING and just sit.
what if you're casually laddering and don't want to waste a minimum of 60 minutes of your life for no gain?
Then you mass muta and hope he's bad.
Or you just leave the game once your opponent maxes out. At least it's what I do when I play against swarmhost/viper/corruptor/infestor as a protoss.
In that situation, like in Snute vs that random toss yesterday, it's just yolo and hope for the best. The longer you wait, the more hopeless in becomes.
That always confuses me when protoss ends up with a zerg safe on 5 bases with a maxed SH army. They always try to play it out, and end up taking the final fight with 160 ish supply and 200 gas in the bank rather than maxed with 6k gas. Once zerg has that army, just go, the longer you wait the worse it gets.
you can only attack (and have a chance of winning) if you catch the Z out of position. if that doesn't happen you lose no matter what. if you just attack right away into a well positioned sh army....well, then you will always lose.
On January 05 2014 22:24 Nerchio wrote: Can someome explain to me how is zerg supposed to beat this
I fear this might be one of those " don't let it get that far" solutions, at least until someone innovative comes along that breaks everyones minds
I'll repeat then, mass spore, swarm host, hydra viper. Play super defensive, abduct ANYTHING and just sit.
Yeah so basically play like Firecake. 3 hour games funfunfun
Seems people forgot about the Lucifron vs Gosuuser game...
If you just sit with swarmhosts vipers and mass spores there is nothing the terran can really do with that comp.
Build BCs and yamato those spores?
There is no limit to how much spores you can do, especially with 10k minerals in the bank. Also, vipers can consume less exposed spores and constantly yank BCs into the spore wall.
Sky terran is very hard to beat but it is not impossible, mech was not really played that much until the latest patch anyway so most zergs are clueless against it.
On January 05 2014 22:35 Squat wrote: I think ground mech is interesting and potentially highly entertaining. Mass air play late game is probably a bit broken. Once this many ravens and vikings are out, the only recourse for zerg is to have complete map control and creep spread and play the most mind-numbingly stupid style ever.
If there was a way to buff ground mech and nerf late game mass raven/viking, I think mech could be pretty good.
Swarm hosts lead to mass static def into ravens lead to mass air turtling.
Nerf (redesign?) to swarm host accompanied by a raven nerf should go a long way.
Swarm hosts are stupid, everyone knows this, but their are like force fields in this regard. No one likes them, but they are necessary. They are the one unit zerg has that allows actual combat vs the late game high tech protoss army. Otherwise the only other option is muta base trade. I guess we could buff muta ling basetrade play, but I suspect protoss players would have some objections to that.
Maybe have a cap on PDD within an area, buff thor anti air and make tanks less sucky could work
On January 05 2014 22:44 opterown wrote: has there been a SH vs. SH ZvZ yet
Yes. It was dumb.
I also saw Stepho stream a game where he won on Derelict after being on 3 bases forever in ZvZ by using SHs. Stepho lost 30k resources, his opponent 110k. It was teh lulz.
On January 03 2014 19:03 Pandemona wrote: I honestly think Samsung have drawn awesome ties here, with only Hydra vs Reality the one i see a bit one sided.
EffOrt vs Shine is ZvZ and can go both ways with a lucky 10pool vs 15H or something herO vs Stork - PvP enough said Sora vs RorO....is RorO ANYTHING can happen xD
Hhehehehehe %_% prediction championz CJ Played 2 L2 inc
On January 05 2014 22:48 PVJ wrote: Sexy contaminate. It's so underused, I wish it was more popular.
Same story as always: Something gets nerfed -> no one uses it anymore. I just remember a pre-nerf CoCa ZvP, where he just constantly used contaminate on all important Protoss buildings xD
On January 05 2014 22:48 PVJ wrote: Sexy contaminate. It's so underused, I wish it was more popular.
Same story as always: Something gets nerfed -> no one uses it anymore. I just remember a pre-nerf CoCa ZvP, where he just constantly used contaminate on all important Protoss buildings xD
On January 05 2014 22:48 PVJ wrote: Sexy contaminate. It's so underused, I wish it was more popular.
Same story as always: Something gets nerfed -> no one uses it anymore. I just remember a pre-nerf CoCa ZvP, where he just constantly used contaminate on all important Protoss buildings xD
On January 05 2014 23:00 ACrow wrote: When I googled stork fans, I found nothing about the SC pro but tons about some musician. I am disappointed. Wolf lied to me.
I can't believe stork didn't account for this, since it's only the most standard follow up ever, and figuring he's doing it himself, just seems ridiculous.
if only Stork played last game i would have cheered for him, but my greed/need for FPL points from CJ makes me quite happy that herO won. Sora should win his match as well, more points!!
On January 05 2014 23:11 myminerals wrote: the more Stork plays SC2, the less I respect him as a player and moreover as a person
Why ? Stork his a really hardworking persons. In BW he losts SO MUCH before gaining his first huge wins. Seeing him lose at the first year of HotS is not something bizarre... We will see.
On January 05 2014 23:11 myminerals wrote: the more Stork plays SC2, the less I respect him as a player and moreover as a person
Why ? Stork his a really hardworking persons. In BW he losts SO MUCH before gaining his first huge wins. Seeing him lose at the first year of HotS is not something bizarre... We will see.
Yup. He has a reputation as one of the hardest practicing players (along with flash).
Bit late to the party but reality picked a very good build against hydra. Hydra has shown in quite a few games that he plays too aggressively Reality basically force the game to go into his pace
On January 05 2014 23:11 myminerals wrote: the more Stork plays SC2, the less I respect him as a player and moreover as a person
Why ? Stork his a really hardworking persons. In BW he losts SO MUCH before gaining his first huge wins. Seeing him lose at the first year of HotS is not something bizarre... We will see.
Yup. He has a reputation as one of the hardest practicing players (along with flash).
Really? Stork is the person who rather plays different games than starcraft. I've never seen him compared to Flash and JD in terms of hardworking and practice
On January 05 2014 23:11 myminerals wrote: the more Stork plays SC2, the less I respect him as a player and moreover as a person
Why moreover as a person?
Stork place is with Sospa guys right now, it is the only place where his contribution as a legendary player shall be welcomed and appreciated. But it looks like he prefers to continue this misery.
On January 05 2014 23:11 myminerals wrote: the more Stork plays SC2, the less I respect him as a player and moreover as a person
Why ? Stork his a really hardworking persons. In BW he losts SO MUCH before gaining his first huge wins. Seeing him lose at the first year of HotS is not something bizarre... We will see.
Yup. He has a reputation as one of the hardest practicing players (along with flash).
Really? Stork is the person who rather plays different games than starcraft. I've never seen him compared to Flash and JD in terms of hardworking and practice
Have you read the interviews by bisu and jaedong on tl? I'm pretty sure thats where i read it.
On January 05 2014 23:11 myminerals wrote: the more Stork plays SC2, the less I respect him as a player and moreover as a person
Why ? Stork his a really hardworking persons. In BW he losts SO MUCH before gaining his first huge wins. Seeing him lose at the first year of HotS is not something bizarre... We will see.
Yup. He has a reputation as one of the hardest practicing players (along with flash).
Really? Stork is the person who rather plays different games than starcraft. I've never seen him compared to Flash and JD in terms of hardworking and practice
On January 05 2014 23:11 Teoita wrote: Good move by hero, if he had set back waiting for +3 after the forge snipe stork could have come back.
Also wtf gateway walls are only good vs pure zealot archon, any army with stalkers immortals or colossi can just range the wall down ezpz.... -.-
They are useful against immortal/archon if you are going colossi though (and herO probably knew he had them faster). You have more ranged dps overall and you make sure you can't have your army caught "off guard" (badly positioned) because your opponent needs to break the wall first.
On January 05 2014 23:11 myminerals wrote: the more Stork plays SC2, the less I respect him as a player and moreover as a person
Why moreover as a person?
Stork place is with Sospa guys right now, it is the only place where his contribution as a legendary player shall be welcomed and appreciated. But it looks like he prefers to continue this misery.
That's bullshit, his contributions are very appreciated in Starcraft II as well. I would like nothing more than to see him succeed in SC2 and I know many feel the same, because of his legacy as a member of TBLS
On January 05 2014 23:11 myminerals wrote: the more Stork plays SC2, the less I respect him as a player and moreover as a person
Why moreover as a person?
Stork place is with Sospa guys right now, it is the only place where his contribution as a legendary player shall be welcomed and appreciated. But it looks like he prefers to continue this misery.
On January 05 2014 23:12 Ctesias wrote: I wonder what is more disheartening: always being fielded but always losing (Stork), or never being fielded (Fantasy).
On January 05 2014 23:11 myminerals wrote: the more Stork plays SC2, the less I respect him as a player and moreover as a person
Why moreover as a person?
Stork place is with Sospa guys right now, it is the only place where his contribution as a legendary player shall be welcomed and appreciated. But it looks like he prefers to continue this misery.
That's bullshit, his contributions are very appreciated in Starcraft II as well. I would like nothing more than to see him succeed in SC2 and I know many feel the same, because of his legacy as a member of TBLS
What contibution?
Anyway, he would be much more successful in BW. He hated SC2 from the beginning. I honestly don't understand what is his point. His last interview didn't make much sense as well.
On January 05 2014 23:11 myminerals wrote: the more Stork plays SC2, the less I respect him as a player and moreover as a person
Why moreover as a person?
Stork place is with Sospa guys right now, it is the only place where his contribution as a legendary player shall be welcomed and appreciated. But it looks like he prefers to continue this misery.
That's bullshit, his contributions are very appreciated in Starcraft II as well. I would like nothing more than to see him succeed in SC2 and I know many feel the same, because of his legacy as a member of TBLS
On January 05 2014 23:11 myminerals wrote: the more Stork plays SC2, the less I respect him as a player and moreover as a person
Why moreover as a person?
Stork place is with Sospa guys right now, it is the only place where his contribution as a legendary player shall be welcomed and appreciated. But it looks like he prefers to continue this misery.
That's bullshit, his contributions are very appreciated in Starcraft II as well. I would like nothing more than to see him succeed in SC2 and I know many feel the same, because of his legacy as a member of TBLS
What contibution?
Anyway, he would be much more successful in BW. He hated SC2 from the beginning. I honestly don't understand what is his point. His last interview didn't make much sense as well.
On January 05 2014 23:11 myminerals wrote: the more Stork plays SC2, the less I respect him as a player and moreover as a person
Why ? Stork his a really hardworking persons. In BW he losts SO MUCH before gaining his first huge wins. Seeing him lose at the first year of HotS is not something bizarre... We will see.
Yup. He has a reputation as one of the hardest practicing players (along with flash).
What? No he doesn't, he had slumps in BW because he played WoW and cellphone games too much, and then was afflicted by cooties. He has a little Stephano in him.
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
Damn, Samsung Galaxy is actually proving all the nay sayers wrong and putting on a clinic so far. I can hardly wait to see them up against IM, KT and SKT1.
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
Zealously, help me out here.
he probably can't, he is mourning his FPL team consisting mainly of CJ and the best Z on anti (roro).
On January 05 2014 23:45 Destructicon wrote: Damn, Samsung Galaxy is actually proving all the nay sayers wrong and putting on a clinic so far. I can hardly wait to see them up against IM, KT and SKT1.
Free units feel zergy, I give Davik Kim that. But hardcore turteling Zerg just feels so incredible unzergy, they should be the ones trying to crack the defense of their opponents. But I guess PvZ in BW was the same, so it doesn't matter. I just don't like it lorewise.
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
roro won a gsl and best zerg of 2013 flash won nothing and most popular player of 2013
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
roro won a gsl and best zerg of 2013 flash won nothing and most popular player of 2013
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24 that season? interesting
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
roro won a gsl and best zerg of 2013 flash won nothing and most popular player of 2013
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
most wins in PL is useless if your team hasnt won anything you know?
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
roro won a gsl and best zerg of 2013 flash won nothing and most popular player of 2013
He won a GSL in WOL. Flash had most wins in PL
And in HOTS
And he is 2-0 against Roro.
WoL is still SC2. winning the most times in PL doesn't mean that much and is a lesser achievement than the GSL.
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
i meant in that season that roro won sorry late edit.
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
most wins in PL is useless if your team hasnt won anything you know?
Well.. If you are talking about INDIVIDUALS and not teams. It means a lot you know ?
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
i meant in that season that roro won sorry late edit.
Swarm hosts is a good unit. I don't know how a zerg can beat 200/200 deathball protoss in late game without it. Kudos to Roro for such an amazing strategy.
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
most wins in PL is useless if your team hasnt won anything you know?
Well.. If you are talking about INDIVIDUALS and not teams. It means a lot you know ?
well you pulled the PL card (which is a TEAM league, haha) GSL >>> PL, sorry
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
roro won a gsl and best zerg of 2013 flash won nothing and most popular player of 2013
He won a GSL in WOL. Flash had most wins in PL
And in HOTS
And he is 2-0 against Roro.
WoL is still SC2. winning the most times in PL doesn't mean that much and is a lesser achievement than the GSL.
It's not like GSL champions are all in code S today...
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
most wins in PL is useless if your team hasnt won anything you know?
Well.. If you are talking about INDIVIDUALS and not teams. It means a lot you know ?
well you pulled the PL card (which is a TEAM league, haha) GSL >>> PL, sorry
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
Also. Sniper won a GSL. ANd Inca was a finalist
Just when I thought I finally erased it from my memory...
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
Also. Sniper won a GSL. ANd Inca was a finalist
Just when I thought I finally erased it from my memory...
When having an argument on TL. Always bring Inca somewhere :p
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
Also. Sniper won a GSL. ANd Inca was a finalist
Just when I thought I finally erased it from my memory...
What inca finals? There was no inca finals, we are at war with sniper
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
Also. Sniper won a GSL. ANd Inca was a finalist
Just when I thought I finally erased it from my memory...
What inca finals? There was no inca finals, we are at war with sniper
On January 05 2014 23:51 Kihshra wrote: I still got no idea why would people believe in Zealously's predictions...
He predicted correctly that Naniwa would get out of that group one time.
Plus he consulted with Artosis about WCS KR finals and called all of them right up to the score.
I've made a lot of good calls but like with everything people remember the wrong calls (I think there's a scientific name for this phenomenon but I can't think of it right now) rather than the right ones tt
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
Also. Sniper won a GSL. ANd Inca was a finalist
Just when I thought I finally erased it from my memory...
When having an argument on TL. Always bring Inca somewhere :p
Mentioning Flash seems to work too. Look at the mess I caused by comparing him to Roro.
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
Also. Sniper won a GSL. ANd Inca was a finalist
Just when I thought I finally erased it from my memory...
When having an argument on TL. Always bring Inca somewhere :p
Mentioning Flash seems to work too. Look at the mess I caused by comparing him to Roro.
Well maybe i'm not calmed down from our defeat earlier
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
Also. Sniper won a GSL. ANd Inca was a finalist
Just when I thought I finally erased it from my memory...
When having an argument on TL. Always bring Inca somewhere :p
Mentioning Flash seems to work too. Look at the mess I caused by comparing him to Roro.
stephano would have beaten them both even if they played against him 2v1 with no monitor
On January 05 2014 23:51 Kihshra wrote: I still got no idea why would people believe in Zealously's predictions...
He predicted correctly that Naniwa would get out of that group one time.
Plus he consulted with Artosis about WCS KR finals and called all of them right up to the score.
I've made a lot of good calls but like with everything people remember the wrong calls (I think there's a scientific name for this phenomenon but I can't think of it right now) rather than the right ones tt
On January 05 2014 23:51 Kihshra wrote: I still got no idea why would people believe in Zealously's predictions...
He predicted correctly that Naniwa would get out of that group one time.
You mean that group where Artosis cursed Innovation ? See, I'm just saying there are rules you can't go against : Artosis, Bomber and Roro got theirs, and after that, sometimes, Zealously might be right in his predictions.
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
Also. Sniper won a GSL. ANd Inca was a finalist
Just when I thought I finally erased it from my memory...
When having an argument on TL. Always bring Inca somewhere :p
Mentioning Flash seems to work too. Look at the mess I caused by comparing him to Roro.
stephano would have beaten them both even if they played against him 2v1 with no monitor
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
Also. Sniper won a GSL. ANd Inca was a finalist
Just when I thought I finally erased it from my memory...
When having an argument on TL. Always bring Inca somewhere :p
Mentioning Flash seems to work too. Look at the mess I caused by comparing him to Roro.
Naniwa would have beaten them both even if they played against him 2v1 with no monitor
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
Also. Sniper won a GSL. ANd Inca was a finalist
Just when I thought I finally erased it from my memory...
When having an argument on TL. Always bring Inca somewhere :p
Mentioning Flash seems to work too. Look at the mess I caused by comparing him to Roro.
stephano would have beaten them both even if they played against him 2v1 with no monitor
On January 05 2014 23:43 Ctesias wrote: Sora losing to Roro but beating Flash somehow feels wrong. I mean, they are different match ups and people have good and bad days, but still...
Barbie's dress soothes somewhat, though.
Roro is a way better sc2 player than Flash you know
interesting. tell me more
just look at the achievements of both players in sc2 so far. oh waht roro won an GSL? whereas flash was barely able to reach the code a ro24? interesting
Flash was Code S at the end. Also. Most wins in PL.
Also. Sniper won a GSL. ANd Inca was a finalist
Just when I thought I finally erased it from my memory...
When having an argument on TL. Always bring Inca somewhere :p
Mentioning Flash seems to work too. Look at the mess I caused by comparing him to Roro.
stephano would have beaten them both even if they played against him 2v1 with no monitor
Really surprised about CJ's results so far, after how well all their players did in the recent qualifiers. I was expecting to do really well with my 3 CJ players FPL team, but now... haha :D
On January 05 2014 23:51 Kihshra wrote: I still got no idea why would people believe in Zealously's predictions...
He predicted correctly that Naniwa would get out of that group one time.
Plus he consulted with Artosis about WCS KR finals and called all of them right up to the score.
I've made a lot of good calls but like with everything people remember the wrong calls (I think there's a scientific name for this phenomenon but I can't think of it right now) rather than the right ones tt
CJ really weak, definitely the most disappointing team so far. I mean... MVP might be ranked even lower right now, but they had to play SKT1 and IM - the strongest teams in the competition, imo.
On the other side Samsung Galaxy - Solar and RorO looked really strong so far. And that's almost enough in the current format.
Finally watched it, lol. Dat fluffy Samsung's jackets make me smile every time like herO haha.
Stork looked not as bad, he will definitely grab some wins later especially in PvP. Effort threw game by himself imo, nothing weird in Shine's win. Roro just swarmed poor Sora. And i really enjoyed Hydra-Reality game. Mech TvZ is something which reminds me of lore.
Anyway, if CJ Entus really want playoffs this round they need to win against JinAir. Else, they have SKT T1, IM, Prime and MVP and 2-5 or 3-4 isn't best result as we all know.
EPT
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