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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
I remember watching some terran stream on KR and he faced zerg on that same map and zerg basically had tons of spore crawlers, vipers corruptors, queens and SH + nydus. He was constantly yanking expensive units into spores, constantly harassing less defended bases with SH+nydus and eventually starved terran to death. I dont think that DK should buff terran air though, that would be a huge mistake on their part (a proposition in the general mech buff test map) | ||
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zyax
25 Posts
nydus and drop over the planetary wall would have pulled him apart | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On January 05 2014 22:36 GreenFate wrote: Because zerg is not used to super late game TvZ, and makes wrong choice :o Because zerg is weak super late game, at least in HotS. And I'm toss. | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
On January 05 2014 22:38 SiroKO wrote: Wow, Korean programers might have excellent execution, they're clueless in some area. Hydra had no clue how to play high eco super-lategame ZvT (swarmhosts/vipers/corruptors/mass spores). This looked like reminescent WOL play... I think it is forgivable given how rare it is to get to that stage. | ||
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Swisslink
2956 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On January 05 2014 22:33 KingAlphard wrote: Or you just leave the game once your opponent maxes out. At least it's what I do when I play against swarmhost/viper/corruptor/infestor as a protoss. In that situation, like in Snute vs that random toss yesterday, it's just yolo and hope for the best. The longer you wait, the more hopeless it becomes. That always confuses me when protoss ends up with a zerg safe on 5 bases with a maxed SH army. They always try to play it out, and end up taking the final fight with 160 ish supply and 200 gas in the bank rather than maxed with 6k gas. Once zerg has that army, just go, the longer you wait the worse it gets. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On January 05 2014 22:38 zyax wrote: nydus and drop over the planetary wall would have pulled him apart Nydus when he is turtling with lots of tanks? Uhhhh.... no. Dropping when he has a flock of vikings? Are you serious? | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 05 2014 22:38 zyax wrote: nydus and drop over the planetary wall would have pulled him apart Whenever Zerg is unsure what to do in a matchup, why is the first answer always, Use more Nydus? | ||
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
On January 05 2014 22:33 MooLen wrote: Seems people forgot about the Lucifron vs Gosuuser game... If you just sit with swarmhosts vipers and mass spores there is nothing the terran can really do with that comp. Build BCs and yamato those spores? | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Jeez lolol. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On January 05 2014 22:40 stuchiu wrote: Whenever Zerg is unsure what to do in a matchup, why is the first answer always, Use more Nydus? Nydus actually works great for harassing terran bases with SH, even if they are planetaries with armor upgrade. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
And get your BCs yanked into said spores by vipers. | ||
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
On January 05 2014 22:39 Swisslink wrote: I really hope Blizzard focuses on Protoss adjustments to make Mech viable in TvP - because if they buff mech in general, I just think what we just saw becomes the standard TvZ. And in this late game scenrario, depending on the map, I don't think Zerg has any chance to kill the army, because they the Zerg army just melts without killing anything. Even 20 remaxes would not help, tbh. You can make maps where its harder to defend 3-4 bases as terran, farther away from each other bases, open bases, and bases made in such a way that you can attack one spot, retreat and then attack another one easily. Maps play a large role into how viable mech is. Initially I thought SS is a terrible mech map, but Reality tailored his strat perfectly to it. You can't attack the bottom terran bases and swoop around north to attack the other bases as quickly because of the architecture, Reality also fortified his north with 5 PFs, guaranteeing he would always have enough buffer to react. | ||
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On January 05 2014 22:39 Squat wrote: In that situation, like in Snute vs that random toss yesterday, it's just yolo and hope for the best. The longer you wait, the more hopeless in becomes. That always confuses me when protoss ends up with a zerg safe on 5 bases with a maxed SH army. They always try to play it out, and end up taking the final fight with 160 ish supply and 200 gas in the bank rather than maxed with 6k gas. Once zerg has that army, just go, the longer you wait the worse it gets. you can only attack (and have a chance of winning) if you catch the Z out of position. if that doesn't happen you lose no matter what. if you just attack right away into a well positioned sh army....well, then you will always lose. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
There is no limit to how much spores you can do, especially with 10k minerals in the bank. Also, vipers can consume less exposed spores and constantly yank BCs into the spore wall. Sky terran is very hard to beat but it is not impossible, mech was not really played that much until the latest patch anyway so most zergs are clueless against it. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On January 05 2014 22:41 Bagi wrote: And get your BCs yanked into said spores by vipers. or not go turtle mech and force a shit game in the first place | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On January 05 2014 22:37 Bagi wrote: Swarm hosts lead to mass static def into ravens lead to mass air turtling. Nerf (redesign?) to swarm host accompanied by a raven nerf should go a long way. Swarm hosts are stupid, everyone knows this, but their are like force fields in this regard. No one likes them, but they are necessary. They are the one unit zerg has that allows actual combat vs the late game high tech protoss army. Otherwise the only other option is muta base trade. I guess we could buff muta ling basetrade play, but I suspect protoss players would have some objections to that. Maybe have a cap on PDD within an area, buff thor anti air and make tanks less sucky could work | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
You won't even OS the spore, so losing a BC for damaging a spore, not sure bro. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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scares
Germany239 Posts
On January 05 2014 22:40 Pandemona wrote: Oh wow what are chances of a macro ZvZ ;_; Jeez lolol. They want to make you chose between e-sports and football ! | ||
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