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On January 05 2014 20:02 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 20:00 Destructicon wrote:
Interesting composition by Flash there. Going pure bio with medivacs was logical given that Savage went full roach, but him switching into bio + hellbats and Thors was really retro HoTS. He even researched Infernal Preigniter, so it seems clear he didn't want to make WM.
Funny that Blizzard wanted to encourage both WM and ST to be used in TvZ but with the WM nerf they just phased out both units. Bio/Hellbats/Thors works fine with the lead he had, but I don't think he would use it against straight lings/banes/mutas in an even game.
I've seen Forgg use the same comp, but i figured it was his style since he uses hellbats in TvP as well, but maybe it's something new catching on.
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On January 05 2014 20:03 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 20:01 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 05 2014 19:58 MajOr wrote:On January 05 2014 19:56 Zealously wrote:On January 05 2014 19:40 MajOr wrote:On January 05 2014 19:39 DJHelium wrote:GOGO ROGUE! Seriously impressed by his game last week, made me a fan! + Show Spoiler + hes gonna win. everyone i mean everyone knows how good savage is. and no one really wants to play him. u will see I dno Juan i break this down for all you ppl saying they both bad cuz u all clearly crazy on the head. i dont know how but flash built 3techlabs from his initial 5barracks which isnt normal at all even vs mass roach normal is 1techlab 4 reactors therefore he had so many marauder my time roaches came that did nothing at all normally he woulda been able to lift that 3rd cc kill the scvs if it was the standrd 1techlab 4barrack and transition into muta ling bane with a good lead but im amazed he actually managed to cause to much trouble from the position he was in. With your level of play how would you explain FlaSh's build. It was really weird i felt. Scout roaches, build marauders and cut mines. proceed to do whatever you want to with a 40supply and 2-3upgrade lead.
Was it that simple ? Felt weird for fast techlab. Hellbat vs roach was kind of surprising for me too. Why not more marauders ?
Was it because of mutas ? Because mutas would mean ling/bling ?
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On January 05 2014 20:04 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 20:02 Destructicon wrote:On January 05 2014 20:01 Heartland wrote:On January 05 2014 20:00 Destructicon wrote:
Interesting composition by Flash there. Going pure bio with medivacs was logical given that Savage went full roach, but him switching into bio + hellbats and Thors was really retro HoTS. He even researched Infernal Preigniter, so it seems clear he didn't want to make WM.
Funny that Blizzard wanted to encourage both WM and ST to be used in TvZ but with the WM nerf they just phased out both units. I thought we still saw a ton of parade pushes? I was talking more about composition, not tactics. Yes we saw a lot off parade pushes, but with no WM and definitely no tanks. When I said parade push I meant WMMMM. I think it can't be separated from the strategy as the WMs allow you to hold large amounts of terrain. I'm no Terran expert which is why I ask questions all the time, but I am pretty sure that TvZ seems like it has a lot of the same parade pushes after the WM nerf as before it.
Yes, the widow mine pushes are still really common, only difference is they add a thor or 2 now.
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On January 05 2014 20:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It's nice to see some korean terran play. I used to hate Korean terrans during the 1/1/1 - 2rax era but the mechanically extremely challenging way they play these days is really impressive to watch
In other words I LOVE KOREAN TERRANS
I'll drink to that. Korean terrans fighting!
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On January 05 2014 20:04 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 20:02 Destructicon wrote:On January 05 2014 20:01 Heartland wrote:On January 05 2014 20:00 Destructicon wrote:
Interesting composition by Flash there. Going pure bio with medivacs was logical given that Savage went full roach, but him switching into bio + hellbats and Thors was really retro HoTS. He even researched Infernal Preigniter, so it seems clear he didn't want to make WM.
Funny that Blizzard wanted to encourage both WM and ST to be used in TvZ but with the WM nerf they just phased out both units. I thought we still saw a ton of parade pushes? I was talking more about composition, not tactics. Yes we saw a lot off parade pushes, but with no WM and definitely no tanks. When I said parade push I meant WMMMM. I think it can't be separated from the strategy as the WMs allow you to hold large amounts of terrain. I'm no Terran expert which is why I ask questions all the time, but I am pretty sure that TvZ seems like it has a lot of the same parade pushes after the WM nerf as before it.
4M and parade push are different things. Parade pushs are nearly extinct, basically the rally until death only occurs when Terran has secured a large advantage before for some reason.
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On January 05 2014 20:05 sashkata wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 20:02 TheDwf wrote:On January 05 2014 20:00 Destructicon wrote:
Interesting composition by Flash there. Going pure bio with medivacs was logical given that Savage went full roach, but him switching into bio + hellbats and Thors was really retro HoTS. He even researched Infernal Preigniter, so it seems clear he didn't want to make WM.
Funny that Blizzard wanted to encourage both WM and ST to be used in TvZ but with the WM nerf they just phased out both units. Bio/Hellbats/Thors works fine with the lead he had, but I don't think he would use it against straight lings/banes/mutas in an even game. I've seen Forgg use the same comp, but i figured it was his style since he uses hellbats in TvP as well, but maybe it's something new catching on.
Forgg has some bad TvZ though. I've seen Gumiho and Supernova also use it last year in a few games, but that was it.
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On January 05 2014 20:06 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 20:04 Heartland wrote:On January 05 2014 20:02 Destructicon wrote:On January 05 2014 20:01 Heartland wrote:On January 05 2014 20:00 Destructicon wrote:
Interesting composition by Flash there. Going pure bio with medivacs was logical given that Savage went full roach, but him switching into bio + hellbats and Thors was really retro HoTS. He even researched Infernal Preigniter, so it seems clear he didn't want to make WM.
Funny that Blizzard wanted to encourage both WM and ST to be used in TvZ but with the WM nerf they just phased out both units. I thought we still saw a ton of parade pushes? I was talking more about composition, not tactics. Yes we saw a lot off parade pushes, but with no WM and definitely no tanks. When I said parade push I meant WMMMM. I think it can't be separated from the strategy as the WMs allow you to hold large amounts of terrain. I'm no Terran expert which is why I ask questions all the time, but I am pretty sure that TvZ seems like it has a lot of the same parade pushes after the WM nerf as before it. 4M and parade push are different things. Parade pushs are nearly extinct, basically the rally until death only occurs when Terran has secured a large advantage before for some reason.
Alright, very well.
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On January 05 2014 20:02 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 20:00 Destructicon wrote:
Interesting composition by Flash there. Going pure bio with medivacs was logical given that Savage went full roach, but him switching into bio + hellbats and Thors was really retro HoTS. He even researched Infernal Preigniter, so it seems clear he didn't want to make WM.
Funny that Blizzard wanted to encourage both WM and ST to be used in TvZ but with the WM nerf they just phased out both units. Bio/Hellbats/Thors works fine with the lead he had, but I don't think he would use it against straight lings/banes/mutas in an even game.
I'm not sure, Flash specifically used a lot of hellbat marauder in the past, I think he just likes those units.
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hellbat marauder thor is terrible just letting you ppl know it was good that game beacause he delay the 4th all game long but if z get 4 base that shit gets overrun by muta baneling
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Regarding the Hellbat switch, wasn't it just happening as Savage was going into muta/ling/bling?
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Cure needs to win, because I have Maru on my team T-T
No thanks to sOs, although TY is no slacker
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Thanks for the input Major btw, interesting to read
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GOGO JINAIR - BRING IT BACK TO MAKE THINGS INTERESTING!
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On January 05 2014 20:06 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 20:05 sashkata wrote:On January 05 2014 20:02 TheDwf wrote:On January 05 2014 20:00 Destructicon wrote:
Interesting composition by Flash there. Going pure bio with medivacs was logical given that Savage went full roach, but him switching into bio + hellbats and Thors was really retro HoTS. He even researched Infernal Preigniter, so it seems clear he didn't want to make WM.
Funny that Blizzard wanted to encourage both WM and ST to be used in TvZ but with the WM nerf they just phased out both units. Bio/Hellbats/Thors works fine with the lead he had, but I don't think he would use it against straight lings/banes/mutas in an even game. I've seen Forgg use the same comp, but i figured it was his style since he uses hellbats in TvP as well, but maybe it's something new catching on. Forgg has some bad TvZ though. I've seen Gumiho and Supernova also use it last year in a few games, but that was it.
iirc, ForGG stated that his TvZ has gotten a lot better.
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cure < another terran monster very underrated. its a mix of flash and ty. his multitask is soso but my lord he makes units HE MAKES SO MANY FUCKING UNITS
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On January 05 2014 20:03 ChoiSulli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 19:54 Dingodile wrote:
incedribly bad game by both. not even code a lvl. Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 19:58 MajOr wrote:On January 05 2014 19:56 Zealously wrote:On January 05 2014 19:40 MajOr wrote:On January 05 2014 19:39 DJHelium wrote:GOGO ROGUE! Seriously impressed by his game last week, made me a fan! + Show Spoiler + hes gonna win. everyone i mean everyone knows how good savage is. and no one really wants to play him. u will see I dno Juan i break this down for all you ppl saying they both bad cuz u all clearly crazy on the head. i dont know how but flash built 3techlabs from his initial 5barracks which isnt normal at all even vs mass roach normal is 1techlab 4 reactors therefore he had so many marauder my time roaches came that did nothing at all normally he woulda been able to lift that 3rd cc kill the scvs if it was the standrd 1techlab 4barrack and transition into muta ling bane with a good lead but im amazed he actually managed to cause to much trouble from the position he was in. On one hand you have how an amateur observed that game on the other a progamer.
not a surprising contrast 
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On January 05 2014 20:05 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 20:03 Big J wrote:On January 05 2014 20:01 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 05 2014 19:58 MajOr wrote:On January 05 2014 19:56 Zealously wrote:On January 05 2014 19:40 MajOr wrote:On January 05 2014 19:39 DJHelium wrote:GOGO ROGUE! Seriously impressed by his game last week, made me a fan! + Show Spoiler + hes gonna win. everyone i mean everyone knows how good savage is. and no one really wants to play him. u will see I dno Juan i break this down for all you ppl saying they both bad cuz u all clearly crazy on the head. i dont know how but flash built 3techlabs from his initial 5barracks which isnt normal at all even vs mass roach normal is 1techlab 4 reactors therefore he had so many marauder my time roaches came that did nothing at all normally he woulda been able to lift that 3rd cc kill the scvs if it was the standrd 1techlab 4barrack and transition into muta ling bane with a good lead but im amazed he actually managed to cause to much trouble from the position he was in. With your level of play how would you explain FlaSh's build. It was really weird i felt. Scout roaches, build marauders and cut mines. proceed to do whatever you want to with a 40supply and 2-3upgrade lead. Was it that simple ? Felt weird for fast techlab. Hellbat vs roach was kind of surprising for me too. Why not more marauders ?
He started the hellbats after he saw Savage switching to mutalisks, zerglings and banelings. Maybe he really plays hellbats against that kind of play of zerg, but I wouldn't interprete too much into it. It may just be Flash thinking that it is easier to end a game with hellbat/MMM instead of MMMM when you have a huge lead. Or maybe he was thinking that Savage could switch back into roaches, in which case hellbats are better than mines as well.
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On that game, after beating the roach push, Flash felt like building anything like hellbats.
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Got to say, the fans of the teams cheering at the start of the matches are one of the best things in Proleague. That shit is loud when you're there.
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