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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
January 05 2014 11:02 GMT
#481
On January 05 2014 20:01 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 20:00 Destructicon wrote:
Interesting composition by Flash there. Going pure bio with medivacs was logical given that Savage went full roach, but him switching into bio + hellbats and Thors was really retro HoTS. He even researched Infernal Preigniter, so it seems clear he didn't want to make WM.

Funny that Blizzard wanted to encourage both WM and ST to be used in TvZ but with the WM nerf they just phased out both units.


I thought we still saw a ton of parade pushes?


I was talking more about composition, not tactics. Yes we saw a lot off parade pushes, but with no WM and definitely no tanks.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 05 2014 11:02 GMT
#482
On January 05 2014 20:00 Destructicon wrote:
Interesting composition by Flash there. Going pure bio with medivacs was logical given that Savage went full roach, but him switching into bio + hellbats and Thors was really retro HoTS. He even researched Infernal Preigniter, so it seems clear he didn't want to make WM.

Funny that Blizzard wanted to encourage both WM and ST to be used in TvZ but with the WM nerf they just phased out both units.

Bio/Hellbats/Thors works fine with the lead he had, but I don't think he would use it against straight lings/banes/mutas in an even game.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
January 05 2014 11:02 GMT
#483
On January 05 2014 20:00 Destructicon wrote:


Funny that Blizzard wanted to encourage both WM and ST to be used in TvZ but with the WM nerf they just phased out both units.


Most people are still going widow mines though. I kinda like this option though, not sure how good it is if you don't have a huge lead like he did, but with mass mass mutas being so incredibly strong vs bio, maybe the +2 thors would be a lot better, than having mines with a thor or so with the armour upgrades.
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
January 05 2014 11:02 GMT
#484
Shorter breaks than the English casters expected. Pretty funny.
Flash | Mvp
Levistus
Profile Joined December 2009
1134 Posts
January 05 2014 11:02 GMT
#485
does the 10k viewers on twitch include koreans? if not, what site does koreans watch? how many koreans are watching right now? just curious thanks.
hey man just curious
CrayonPopChoa
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada761 Posts
January 05 2014 11:03 GMT
#486
On January 05 2014 19:54 Dingodile wrote:
incedribly bad game by both. not even code a lvl.



On January 05 2014 19:58 MajOr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 19:56 Zealously wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:40 MajOr wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:39 DJHelium wrote:
GOGO ROGUE! Seriously impressed by his game last week, made me a fan!

+ Show Spoiler +
Come at me Flash fans!!

hes gonna win. everyone i mean everyone knows how good savage is. and no one really wants to play him. u will see


I dno Juan

i break this down for all you ppl saying they both bad cuz u all clearly crazy on the head.

i dont know how but flash built 3techlabs from his initial 5barracks which isnt normal at all even vs mass roach normal is 1techlab 4 reactors therefore he had so many marauder my time roaches came that did nothing at all normally he woulda been able to lift that 3rd cc kill the scvs if it was the standrd 1techlab 4barrack and transition into muta ling bane with a good lead but im amazed he actually managed to cause to much trouble from the position he was in.




On one hand you have how an amateur observed that game on the other a progamer.
BW4LIFE
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 05 2014 11:03 GMT
#487
On January 05 2014 20:01 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 19:58 MajOr wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:56 Zealously wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:40 MajOr wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:39 DJHelium wrote:
GOGO ROGUE! Seriously impressed by his game last week, made me a fan!

+ Show Spoiler +
Come at me Flash fans!!

hes gonna win. everyone i mean everyone knows how good savage is. and no one really wants to play him. u will see


I dno Juan

i break this down for all you ppl saying they both bad cuz u all clearly crazy on the head.

i dont know how but flash built 3techlabs from his initial 5barracks which isnt normal at all even vs mass roach normal is 1techlab 4 reactors therefore he had so many marauder my time roaches came that did nothing at all normally he woulda been able to lift that 3rd cc kill the scvs if it was the standrd 1techlab 4barrack and transition into muta ling bane with a good lead but im amazed he actually managed to cause to much trouble from the position he was in.



With your level of play (meaning you're better than all of us combined so i feel you may understand this) how would you explain FlaSh's build. It was really weird i felt.

What was weird?
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
January 05 2014 11:03 GMT
#488
On January 05 2014 20:00 Destructicon wrote:
Interesting composition by Flash there. Going pure bio with medivacs was logical given that Savage went full roach, but him switching into bio + hellbats and Thors was really retro HoTS. He even researched Infernal Preigniter, so it seems clear he didn't want to make WM.

Funny that Blizzard wanted to encourage both WM and ST to be used in TvZ but with the WM nerf they just phased out both units.


By recent Blizzard logic, if they want to encourage an unit being made, they need to buff movement speed.
So lets see if we see 3.0 movement speed tanks :D
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51477 Posts
January 05 2014 11:03 GMT
#489
On January 05 2014 19:58 MajOr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 19:56 Zealously wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:40 MajOr wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:39 DJHelium wrote:
GOGO ROGUE! Seriously impressed by his game last week, made me a fan!

+ Show Spoiler +
Come at me Flash fans!!

hes gonna win. everyone i mean everyone knows how good savage is. and no one really wants to play him. u will see


I dno Juan

i break this down for all you ppl saying they both bad cuz u all clearly crazy on the head.

i dont know how but flash built 3techlabs from his initial 5barracks which isnt normal at all even vs mass roach normal is 1techlab 4 reactors therefore he had so many marauder my time roaches came that did nothing at all normally he woulda been able to lift that 3rd cc kill the scvs if it was the standrd 1techlab 4barrack and transition into muta ling bane with a good lead but im amazed he actually managed to cause to much trouble from the position he was in.



Juan knows :D
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Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
January 05 2014 11:03 GMT
#490
his play was good. that response to mass roach is new. atleast for me i never seen it before. it was really good in this case as we coulda see but i feel if zerg decided to go roach hydra. it wouldnt had been so good. but no korean zerg rly goes roach hydra it isnt very good. so this response was perfect to 1-1 roach into muta
Progamer
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 11:04:22
January 05 2014 11:03 GMT
#491
On January 05 2014 19:57 shockaslim wrote:
He didn't even make a single widow mine.....


I liked Flash's composition better it was way more solid . Marine/Medivac/Mine with the mine nerfed you have to get lucky with mine hits for it to be more effective . Not that it mattered in this game .
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 05 2014 11:03 GMT
#492
On January 05 2014 20:01 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 19:58 MajOr wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:56 Zealously wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:40 MajOr wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:39 DJHelium wrote:
GOGO ROGUE! Seriously impressed by his game last week, made me a fan!

+ Show Spoiler +
Come at me Flash fans!!

hes gonna win. everyone i mean everyone knows how good savage is. and no one really wants to play him. u will see


I dno Juan

i break this down for all you ppl saying they both bad cuz u all clearly crazy on the head.

i dont know how but flash built 3techlabs from his initial 5barracks which isnt normal at all even vs mass roach normal is 1techlab 4 reactors therefore he had so many marauder my time roaches came that did nothing at all normally he woulda been able to lift that 3rd cc kill the scvs if it was the standrd 1techlab 4barrack and transition into muta ling bane with a good lead but im amazed he actually managed to cause to much trouble from the position he was in.



With your level of play how would you explain FlaSh's build. It was really weird i felt.


Scout roaches, build marauders and cut mines.
proceed to do whatever you want to with a 40supply and 2-3upgrade lead.
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
January 05 2014 11:03 GMT
#493
On January 05 2014 20:02 Levistus wrote:
does the 10k viewers on twitch include koreans? if not, what site does koreans watch? how many koreans are watching right now? just curious thanks.

They watch it on TV. ~_~
Hello
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 11:04:31
January 05 2014 11:03 GMT
#494
It's nice to see some korean terran play. I used to hate Korean terrans during the 1/1/1 - 2rax era but the mechanically extremely challenging way they play these days is really impressive to watch

In other words I LOVE KOREAN TERRANS
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
January 05 2014 11:03 GMT
#495
On January 05 2014 20:02 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 20:00 Destructicon wrote:
Interesting composition by Flash there. Going pure bio with medivacs was logical given that Savage went full roach, but him switching into bio + hellbats and Thors was really retro HoTS. He even researched Infernal Preigniter, so it seems clear he didn't want to make WM.

Funny that Blizzard wanted to encourage both WM and ST to be used in TvZ but with the WM nerf they just phased out both units.

Bio/Hellbats/Thors works fine with the lead he had, but I don't think he would use it against straight lings/banes/mutas in an even game.


Fair point, we'll have to wait and see if hellbat thor becomes a thing to replace WM.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
January 05 2014 11:04 GMT
#496
On January 05 2014 20:02 Levistus wrote:
does the 10k viewers on twitch include koreans? if not, what site does koreans watch? how many koreans are watching right now? just curious thanks.


There's a Korean stream (and a Youtube stream), but most Koreans watch it on SpoTV I think
AdministratorBreak the chains
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
January 05 2014 11:04 GMT
#497
On January 05 2014 20:03 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 20:00 Destructicon wrote:
Interesting composition by Flash there. Going pure bio with medivacs was logical given that Savage went full roach, but him switching into bio + hellbats and Thors was really retro HoTS. He even researched Infernal Preigniter, so it seems clear he didn't want to make WM.

Funny that Blizzard wanted to encourage both WM and ST to be used in TvZ but with the WM nerf they just phased out both units.


By recent Blizzard logic, if they want to encourage an unit being made, they need to buff movement speed.
So lets see if we see 3.0 movement speed tanks :D

The solution is obviously to have them be fast enough that you never siege them, but instead kite Zealots and Roaches with them.
Flash | Mvp
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
January 05 2014 11:04 GMT
#498
On January 05 2014 20:02 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 20:01 Heartland wrote:
On January 05 2014 20:00 Destructicon wrote:
Interesting composition by Flash there. Going pure bio with medivacs was logical given that Savage went full roach, but him switching into bio + hellbats and Thors was really retro HoTS. He even researched Infernal Preigniter, so it seems clear he didn't want to make WM.

Funny that Blizzard wanted to encourage both WM and ST to be used in TvZ but with the WM nerf they just phased out both units.


I thought we still saw a ton of parade pushes?


I was talking more about composition, not tactics. Yes we saw a lot off parade pushes, but with no WM and definitely no tanks.


When I said parade push I meant WMMMM. I think it can't be separated from the strategy as the WMs allow you to hold large amounts of terrain. I'm no Terran expert which is why I ask questions all the time, but I am pretty sure that TvZ seems like it has a lot of the same parade pushes after the WM nerf as before it.
scares
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany239 Posts
January 05 2014 11:04 GMT
#499
On January 05 2014 20:01 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 19:58 MajOr wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:56 Zealously wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:40 MajOr wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:39 DJHelium wrote:
GOGO ROGUE! Seriously impressed by his game last week, made me a fan!

+ Show Spoiler +
Come at me Flash fans!!

hes gonna win. everyone i mean everyone knows how good savage is. and no one really wants to play him. u will see


I dno Juan

i break this down for all you ppl saying they both bad cuz u all clearly crazy on the head.

i dont know how but flash built 3techlabs from his initial 5barracks which isnt normal at all even vs mass roach normal is 1techlab 4 reactors therefore he had so many marauder my time roaches came that did nothing at all normally he woulda been able to lift that 3rd cc kill the scvs if it was the standrd 1techlab 4barrack and transition into muta ling bane with a good lead but im amazed he actually managed to cause to much trouble from the position he was in.



With your level of play (meaning you're better than all of us combined so i feel you may understand this) how would you explain FlaSh's build. It was really weird i felt.


Flash is known to go Hellbat Marauder, and it felt like he was basically going into that (with enough marines to stop mutas of course)
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 05 2014 11:05 GMT
#500
On January 05 2014 20:02 Levistus wrote:
does the 10k viewers on twitch include koreans? if not, what site does koreans watch? how many koreans are watching right now? just curious thanks.


Koreans watch it on SpotTV. They broadcast to more than 8 million households, yes TV, no internet stream.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
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