On December 08 2013 02:33 Tchado wrote: why is the tournament so late :S , and btw I read something about a DDOS attack ? sup with that what happened ?
maybe because in europe it's early evening now? just a wild guess
How is that an explanation? 0.o
hmm a tournament in europe is not played at some idiotic time for the americans' best comfort. hmm this might be an unsolvable mistery
What the fuck are you talking about and do you know how time zones work
your comment doesn't make any sense
my mistake is that thought the guy is american, which he is note.
My comment makes perfect sense. The guy asked why the tournament is late, and it is; it is quite delayed, in fact. You responsed with some sarcastic comment about it not being in the americans "best comfort", when it's in fact better for the Americans the later the tournament is played since it allows them to not wake up early.
On December 08 2013 02:26 perfidiusrex wrote: i sort of wonder why all of these asian players can not learn english to comminicate with international fans.chinesse and sourth korean players are really disrespectfull.sc2 is an international esport for 3 years now and they are making money relying mostly on foreigner views.south koreans do not even watch foreign tournaments.the least they can do is learn a bit of english.its not like it is hard.french,german,russian,finnish players all speak english.only korean and chinesse do not learn english.tournaments and foreign teams should enforce a mandatory english language rule.
It's far harder for them to learn the language. All European languages except Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian are more or less related to English, so learning it is rather trivial for us. For them not so much.
e: Well, and Maltese.
french isn't related to english yet all french players speak in english.dutch isn't related yet all dutch players speak in enlish.russian,polish,swedish,norwegian arent related to enligsh yet all the proplayers speak in enligsh.the south koreans aren't even trying.
You are either wrongly generalising or just ignorant. There are several Korean players that have very good English that's good enough for interviews. MC, Stardust, Polt, DongRaeGu and JD come to mind. For the Koreans, it's a lot about not wanting to speak English because they feel they're not good at it, whereas all Europeans speak English even when some of them would be better off with a translator because it's fucking impossible to understand what they're saying.
And some foreigners know some Korean. Do we expect all of them to know Korean? No, everyone is different. Funny thing is a lot of foreigners have trained and lived in Korea. Whereas Korean living overseas is relatively new. Yet more korean give interviews in English than foreigner give in Korean.
On December 08 2013 02:26 perfidiusrex wrote: i sort of wonder why all of these asian players can not learn english to comminicate with international fans.chinesse and sourth korean players are really disrespectfull.sc2 is an international esport for 3 years now and they are making money relying mostly on foreigner views.south koreans do not even watch foreign tournaments.the least they can do is learn a bit of english.its not like it is hard.french,german,russian,finnish players all speak english.only korean and chinesse do not learn english.tournaments and foreign teams should enforce a mandatory english language rule.
It's far harder for them to learn the language. All European languages except Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian are more or less related to English, so learning it is rather trivial for us. For them not so much.
e: Well, and Maltese.
french isn't related to english yet all french players speak in english.dutch isn't related yet all dutch players speak in enlish.russian,polish,swedish,norwegian arent related to enligsh yet all the proplayers speak in enligsh.the south koreans aren't even trying.
You are either wrongly generalising or just ignorant. There are several Korean players that have very good English that's good enough for interviews. MC, Stardust, Polt, DongRaeGu and JD come to mind. For the Koreans, it's a lot about not wanting to speak English because they feel they're not good at it, whereas all Europeans speak English even when some of them would be better off with a translator because it's fucking impossible to understand what they're saying.
And Koreans often get flamed hard on the forums by Korean fans whenever they talk English.
where and by whom?koreans do not watch foreign tournaments.last dreamhack had about 2000 viewers on the korean stream out of 100k total.who is flaming them?and besides they are playing constantly in fornt of a foreign audience,most of them are on foreign teams and they owe that to the viewership.otherwise too many viewers are driven away.
@hearthlan
they do not try.they can not construct phrases in english.they mutter 2 words and go back to the translator.
I guess they are busy practicing so they get all that foreigner money. Seems to me they have their priorities right
On December 08 2013 02:26 perfidiusrex wrote: i sort of wonder why all of these asian players can not learn english to comminicate with international fans.chinesse and sourth korean players are really disrespectfull.sc2 is an international esport for 3 years now and they are making money relying mostly on foreigner views.south koreans do not even watch foreign tournaments.the least they can do is learn a bit of english.its not like it is hard.french,german,russian,finnish players all speak english.only korean and chinesse do not learn english.tournaments and foreign teams should enforce a mandatory english language rule.
It's far harder for them to learn the language. All European languages except Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian are more or less related to English, so learning it is rather trivial for us. For them not so much.
e: Well, and Maltese.
french isn't related to english yet all french players speak in english.dutch isn't related yet all dutch players speak in enlish.russian,polish,swedish,norwegian arent related to enligsh yet all the proplayers speak in enligsh.the south koreans aren't even trying.
You are either wrongly generalising or just ignorant. There are several Korean players that have very good English that's good enough for interviews. MC, Stardust, Polt, DongRaeGu and JD come to mind. For the Koreans, it's a lot about not wanting to speak English because they feel they're not good at it, whereas all Europeans speak English even when some of them would be better off with a translator because it's fucking impossible to understand what they're saying.
And Koreans often get flamed hard on the forums by Korean fans whenever they talk English.
Really? As in when they talk English during interviews? Why?
They find it cringy and akward.
I am so happy to hear that Korean fans are so much like Western ones.
Chinese fans are best fans. They spam POLT USA USA whenever he wins.
On December 08 2013 02:26 perfidiusrex wrote: i sort of wonder why all of these asian players can not learn english to comminicate with international fans.chinesse and sourth korean players are really disrespectfull.sc2 is an international esport for 3 years now and they are making money relying mostly on foreigner views.south koreans do not even watch foreign tournaments.the least they can do is learn a bit of english.its not like it is hard.french,german,russian,finnish players all speak english.only korean and chinesse do not learn english.tournaments and foreign teams should enforce a mandatory english language rule.
It's far harder for them to learn the language. All European languages except Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian are more or less related to English, so learning it is rather trivial for us. For them not so much.
e: Well, and Maltese.
french isn't related to english yet all french players speak in english.dutch isn't related yet all dutch players speak in enlish.russian,polish,swedish,norwegian arent related to enligsh yet all the proplayers speak in enligsh.the south koreans aren't even trying.
@xoronius
all languages are different amongst one another.there is no such thing as a more difficult or easier language.and in the gsl there were plenty of koreans to compensate for the 4 foreigners.
On December 08 2013 02:26 perfidiusrex wrote: i sort of wonder why all of these asian players can not learn english to comminicate with international fans.chinesse and sourth korean players are really disrespectfull.sc2 is an international esport for 3 years now and they are making money relying mostly on foreigner views.south koreans do not even watch foreign tournaments.the least they can do is learn a bit of english.its not like it is hard.french,german,russian,finnish players all speak english.only korean and chinesse do not learn english.tournaments and foreign teams should enforce a mandatory english language rule.
It's far harder for them to learn the language. All European languages except Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian are more or less related to English, so learning it is rather trivial for us. For them not so much.
e: Well, and Maltese.
french isn't related to english yet all french players speak in english.dutch isn't related yet all dutch players speak in enlish.russian,polish,swedish,norwegian arent related to enligsh yet all the proplayers speak in enligsh.the south koreans aren't even trying.
You are either wrongly generalising or just ignorant. There are several Korean players that have very good English that's good enough for interviews. MC, Stardust, Polt, DongRaeGu and JD come to mind. For the Koreans, it's a lot about not wanting to speak English because they feel they're not good at it, whereas all Europeans speak English even when some of them would be better off with a translator because it's fucking impossible to understand what they're saying.
And Koreans often get flamed hard on the forums by Korean fans whenever they talk English.
where and by whom?koreans do not watch foreign tournaments.last dreamhack had about 2000 viewers on the korean stream out of 100k total.who is flaming them?and besides they are playing constantly in fornt of a foreign audience,most of them are on foreign teams and they owe that to the viewership.otherwise too many viewers are driven away.
@hearthlan
they do not try.they can not construct phrases in english.they mutter 2 words and go back to the translator.
Btw. if you are that concerned about linguistics, could use please use the correct capitalization, if you are beginning a new sentence? It is pretty hard to read you posts otherwise.
On December 08 2013 02:26 perfidiusrex wrote: i sort of wonder why all of these asian players can not learn english to comminicate with international fans.chinesse and sourth korean players are really disrespectfull.sc2 is an international esport for 3 years now and they are making money relying mostly on foreigner views.south koreans do not even watch foreign tournaments.the least they can do is learn a bit of english.its not like it is hard.french,german,russian,finnish players all speak english.only korean and chinesse do not learn english.tournaments and foreign teams should enforce a mandatory english language rule.
It's far harder for them to learn the language. All European languages except Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian are more or less related to English, so learning it is rather trivial for us. For them not so much.
e: Well, and Maltese.
french isn't related to english yet all french players speak in english.dutch isn't related yet all dutch players speak in enlish.russian,polish,swedish,norwegian arent related to enligsh yet all the proplayers speak in enligsh.the south koreans aren't even trying.
You are either wrongly generalising or just ignorant. There are several Korean players that have very good English that's good enough for interviews. MC, Stardust, Polt, DongRaeGu and JD come to mind. For the Koreans, it's a lot about not wanting to speak English because they feel they're not good at it, whereas all Europeans speak English even when some of them would be better off with a translator because it's fucking impossible to understand what they're saying.
you are obviously contradicting yourself.they can not speak intelligible english.leenock,stardust,jd,mc mutter a few words.they can not link phrases or construct a sentence.and the idea that foreigners are worse at english is just absurd.foreigners give interviews in english all the time.show me a foreigner worse at english than a korean
1) No, they do not "mutter a few words", they speak English that I can understand as a non-native speaker. Stop with the bullshit please.
2)
i never mentioned polt.and your only counter example is one that studies at an american university.besides polt,violet and dragon and maybe mc hit me with a known counter example from the koreans and chinesse who constantly come to foreign tournamnets.i would prefer good examples form taeja,jaedong,hero,hyun,life,innovation,stardust,nestra,mvp,mma,duckdeok etc
On December 08 2013 02:33 Tchado wrote: why is the tournament so late :S , and btw I read something about a DDOS attack ? sup with that what happened ?
maybe because in europe it's early evening now? just a wild guess
How is that an explanation? 0.o
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On December 08 2013 02:26 perfidiusrex wrote: i sort of wonder why all of these asian players can not learn english to comminicate with international fans.chinesse and sourth korean players are really disrespectfull.sc2 is an international esport for 3 years now and they are making money relying mostly on foreigner views.south koreans do not even watch foreign tournaments.the least they can do is learn a bit of english.its not like it is hard.french,german,russian,finnish players all speak english.only korean and chinesse do not learn english.tournaments and foreign teams should enforce a mandatory english language rule.
It's far harder for them to learn the language. All European languages except Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian are more or less related to English, so learning it is rather trivial for us. For them not so much.
e: Well, and Maltese.
french isn't related to english yet all french players speak in english.dutch isn't related yet all dutch players speak in enlish.russian,polish,swedish,norwegian arent related to enligsh yet all the proplayers speak in enligsh.the south koreans aren't even trying.
@xoronius
all languages are different amongst one another.there is no such thing as a more difficult or easier language.and in the gsl there were plenty of koreans to compensate for the 4 foreigners.
For example German and Sweden is VERY close to english.
Finnish, Estonia and Hungary are only outsiders.
In my University, I see Japanese/Chinese/Korean international students people taking each other's language courses. It was the first time they took the language technically, but they get the easiest A's ever. I guess by perfidiusrex's logic, we should blame English speakers for not trying hard enough in learning the eastern asian languages.
On December 08 2013 02:26 perfidiusrex wrote: i sort of wonder why all of these asian players can not learn english to comminicate with international fans.chinesse and sourth korean players are really disrespectfull.sc2 is an international esport for 3 years now and they are making money relying mostly on foreigner views.south koreans do not even watch foreign tournaments.the least they can do is learn a bit of english.its not like it is hard.french,german,russian,finnish players all speak english.only korean and chinesse do not learn english.tournaments and foreign teams should enforce a mandatory english language rule.
It's far harder for them to learn the language. All European languages except Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian are more or less related to English, so learning it is rather trivial for us. For them not so much.
e: Well, and Maltese.
french isn't related to english yet all french players speak in english.dutch isn't related yet all dutch players speak in enlish.russian,polish,swedish,norwegian arent related to enligsh yet all the proplayers speak in enligsh.the south koreans aren't even trying.
You are either wrongly generalising or just ignorant. There are several Korean players that have very good English that's good enough for interviews. MC, Stardust, Polt, DongRaeGu and JD come to mind. For the Koreans, it's a lot about not wanting to speak English because they feel they're not good at it, whereas all Europeans speak English even when some of them would be better off with a translator because it's fucking impossible to understand what they're saying.
you are obviously contradicting yourself.they can not speak intelligible english.leenock,stardust,jd,mc mutter a few words.they can not link phrases or construct a sentence.and the idea that foreigners are worse at english is just absurd.foreigners give interviews in english all the time.show me a foreigner worse at english than a korean
1) No, they do not "mutter a few words", they speak English that I can understand as a non-native speaker. Stop with the bullshit please.
i never mentioned polt.and your only counter example is one that studies at an american university.besides polt,violet and dragon and maybe mc hit me with a known counter example from the koreans and chinesse who constantly come to foreign tournamnets.i would prefer good examples form taeja,jaedong,hero,hyun,life,innovation,stardust,nestra,mvp,mma,duckdeok etc
Holy shit you are insufferable and the most amusing part about all this is that your English is terrible
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2:00 Innovation building a factory. San making a cybernetics core.
3:00 Nexus for San as well as a mothership core. Factory for Innovation.
4:00 Innovation making a widow mine and a starport. Innovation placing marines at his natural to deny scouting. First widow mine finishes and is being followed by a hellion. Medivac for Innovation. San getting a stargate.
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On December 08 2013 02:26 perfidiusrex wrote: i sort of wonder why all of these asian players can not learn english to comminicate with international fans.chinesse and sourth korean players are really disrespectfull.sc2 is an international esport for 3 years now and they are making money relying mostly on foreigner views.south koreans do not even watch foreign tournaments.the least they can do is learn a bit of english.its not like it is hard.french,german,russian,finnish players all speak english.only korean and chinesse do not learn english.tournaments and foreign teams should enforce a mandatory english language rule.
It's far harder for them to learn the language. All European languages except Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian are more or less related to English, so learning it is rather trivial for us. For them not so much.
e: Well, and Maltese.
french isn't related to english yet all french players speak in english.dutch isn't related yet all dutch players speak in enlish.russian,polish,swedish,norwegian arent related to enligsh yet all the proplayers speak in enligsh.the south koreans aren't even trying.
You are either wrongly generalising or just ignorant. There are several Korean players that have very good English that's good enough for interviews. MC, Stardust, Polt, DongRaeGu and JD come to mind. For the Koreans, it's a lot about not wanting to speak English because they feel they're not good at it, whereas all Europeans speak English even when some of them would be better off with a translator because it's fucking impossible to understand what they're saying.
And Koreans often get flamed hard on the forums by Korean fans whenever they talk English.
where and by whom?koreans do not watch foreign tournaments.last dreamhack had about 2000 viewers on the korean stream out of 100k total.who is flaming them?and besides they are playing constantly in fornt of a foreign audience,most of them are on foreign teams and they owe that to the viewership.otherwise too many viewers are driven away.
@hearthlan
they do not try.they can not construct phrases in english.they mutter 2 words and go back to the translator.
Sorry, when golfers come to China open, they don't speak Chinese either. They owe their gameplay to viewers, they don't owe them interviews in English.
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