[IEM] Singapore Day 4 - Ro8, Ro4, and Grand Finals - Page 46

On December 01 2013 18:54 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Money pylon kill!

On December 01 2013 18:50 Nibbler89 wrote:

Um it's not about it arriving faster, its about the fact that a good protoss pretty much will never let it die and can do a lot more damage than they could before because they can get away or slower units cant catch up to them. Watch game 1 of mvp vs hero, mvp didn't lose purely because of oracle but hero was able to basically stutter step his oracle while target firing workers and getting away without taking any hp damage.

I don't really care whether it's "balanced" or not but just pointing out you don't really seem to understand what the main impact of the buff is.

On December 01 2013 18:54 BigFan wrote:

artosis pylon

On December 01 2013 18:55 Ghulmore wrote:


Um turrets should shut down an oracle pretty easily, just stutter step your own marines versus it and the oracles has to move and shoot which makes it weaker by a long-shot. If your losing a lot of workers to it than its the equivalence of a Protoss losing 1-2+ workers to a Reaper

On December 01 2013 18:56 AlternativeEgo wrote:


Let's give the guy some slack and go for an iNcontroL pylon

On December 01 2013 18:57 Nibbler89 wrote:

Yes you can put down turrets but that's 200 minerals and delays barracks. If they are placing their buildings well and you don't know whether its stargate or blink or just macro game going blind turret can be dangerous against blink all in since its wasted money and put you behind in a macro game.

and Um.. I don't get what that has to do with you saying the effect of the oracle buff is it arriving in your just 2-3 seconds faster. Also "If your losing a lot of workers to it than its the equivalence of a Protoss losing 1-2+ workers to a Reaper" what? lol.

On December 01 2013 18:55 Ghulmore wrote:


Um turrets should shut down an oracle pretty easily, just stutter step your own marines versus it and the oracles has to move and shoot which makes it weaker by a long-shot. If your losing a lot of workers to it than its the equivalence of a Protoss losing 1-2+ workers to a Reaper

On December 01 2013 18:57 Dodgin wrote:


should have been a winky face

On December 01 2013 18:57 Heartland wrote:


It's about as good as yours really. You're exaggerating. If you like the specifics of the argument it would sound like this:

The Stargate isn't the best production facility because:
a) sc2 doesn't work in the sense that there is a "best" structure. The complex interaction of builds, economy, match-ups and timings make the idea of a "best" production building ludicrous.
b) even if we'd claim that there could be a "best" structure then there are obvious arguments to be made for the Hatchery that produces every last one Zerg unit. Or the Nexus/Command Center which produces the most important units in the game, the workers. Or Barracks, which produces a fantastic all-round unit in the marine, combined with being an upgrade center and creating other specialist units like reapers and marauders.

On December 01 2013 19:01 Ghulmore wrote:


wait you mean you have to invest minerals to defend harass, this is clearly unacceptable. It's not like Protoss or zerg has to make cannons, spines, and spores or anything right? Reapers should be able to scout any super-fast tech too btw, if you aren't opening Reaper than thats your own fault. The only way they are hiding tech is by proxy or making a stalker/msc before Nexus which is a dead give away, and even if you still can't figure out blink or oracle just lift your CC into the main and defend... theres no reason to try and defend a natural when he has no Nexus.

On December 01 2013 19:02 vthree wrote:


building 2 turrets per base puts the Terran behind in the mid game... And they do nothing if the Protoss is doing the blink all-in