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HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
October 09 2013 11:00 GMT
#1001
On October 09 2013 19:59 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:58 Daralii wrote:
That song comes on and the chat immediately fills with sorrowful pink faces I'm not allowed to describe.

That song makes me ashamed when my brother joins me watching sc2 in my room. Sounds like i have gone full emo.


That song makes me feel the GSL Playlist for this season is pretty small.
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12435 Posts
October 09 2013 11:00 GMT
#1002
On October 09 2013 19:59 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:49 LimitSEA wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:47 Aunvilgod wrote:
This matchup -.-

I prefer I maek roach to I maek muta because you can actually micro in roach v roach. Try and micro muta v muta and unless you have a ton more mutas, you die.


yeah, pretty much this. Roach wars are so much more interesting after watching all the mass muta no micro silliness. You can have some neat micro/transfuse/flanks all that good stuff

not to mention muta is actually still very viable.
it's just so happen both players are heavy roach player with timing attack based and so we don't see much of hydra, infestors or swarm host transition etc.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
October 09 2013 11:01 GMT
#1003
On October 09 2013 20:00 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:58 Pandemona wrote:
The problem i have on that game, it was only "fun" back and forth because of so many mistakes xD
First off Soulkey fucked up on his upgrades leaving his +1 armor to be almost 3/4 behind that of SoO's
Then the big fuck up off SoO not to start +2 after he had finished his 1-1 (well over 5-8mins)
Then they both refused to do anything different and we had a back and forth u sack ur roaches ill sack mine.
Topping it off with poor engagement locations xD The attack up the ramp of the natural by Soulkey was the reason he lost the game. He lost like 10 roaches for free there, very silly


He may have had a reason to delay upgrades (more roaches maybe) it doesn't necessarily make it a fuck up.


It does when you see your opponent doing the same build?
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Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
October 09 2013 11:01 GMT
#1004
Ugh this christian poprock is so fucking shitty. It's literally the worst music ever.
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
October 09 2013 11:02 GMT
#1005
If they're going to play Christian rock or whatever they should have stuck with this old GSL one:

Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 09 2013 11:02 GMT
#1006
On October 09 2013 20:01 Kasaraki wrote:
Ugh this christian poprock is so fucking shitty. It's literally the worst music ever.


Google Justin Bieber plz
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
October 09 2013 11:02 GMT
#1007
Finish a nice 3-0 please SoO, i no like ZvZ
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
October 09 2013 11:02 GMT
#1008
Go Soo, finish this.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2013 11:03 GMT
#1009
On October 09 2013 19:59 dreamseller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:54 rothsbury wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:53 Heartland wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:52 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:50 HammerKick wrote:
Aren't mutas an effective switch in ZvZ when it's going to roach wars?

Considering that no one wants to make hydras


Not really to get any kind of surprising amount of mutas would be nearly 1000 gas, and that is a lot less roaches so the opponent just pushes you, you have to use the mutas to defend and meanwhile they can spore up and get hydras


Starcraft can always be put in those terms no matter the builds, but it's never the whole truth. It's situational, about mind-games and so on.

In this particular game though? With constant scrappy aggression? No way trying to go mutas would work.


maybe with some spines? would be kind of obvious the muta switch was coming, but it'd be possible


I don't really know what kind of advantage you are hoping to get though, you lose drones and minerals for spines, you lose tons of gas for mutas, meanwhile your opponent can potentially just kill you with roaches and if you manage to defend your opponent is already prepared and is in a great position while you sit there with spines, less drones and a handful of muta.
Zerg for Life
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
October 09 2013 11:03 GMT
#1010
On October 09 2013 20:02 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:01 Kasaraki wrote:
Ugh this christian poprock is so fucking shitty. It's literally the worst music ever.


Google Justin Bieber plz

And i was like
Baby, baby, baby ooh...
・゚✧:・゚+..。✧・゚:・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚ ゜・:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING *・゜・:・゚✧:・゚✧。゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:・゜・:・゚✧::・・:・゚・゚
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
October 09 2013 11:03 GMT
#1011
On October 09 2013 19:56 TriZ wrote:
Oh 'dear', liquibet is 'soo' hard..

I think that, between missed votes and clumsy predictions, my ranking has gone from around 100 to 500 in three days.
jimothyjim
Profile Joined August 2011
Great Britain836 Posts
October 09 2013 11:04 GMT
#1012
I'm not confident in Soulkey here, Whirlwind heavily favours the Zerg in ZvZ with the position of the natural.
Go Hyvaa, Hyun, Maru, DRG, NaNiwa, MaNa, Genius, Dimaga, Scarlett, Soulkey, First! Elfi is God.
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
October 09 2013 11:04 GMT
#1013
On October 09 2013 20:03 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:59 dreamseller wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:54 rothsbury wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:53 Heartland wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:52 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:50 HammerKick wrote:
Aren't mutas an effective switch in ZvZ when it's going to roach wars?

Considering that no one wants to make hydras


Not really to get any kind of surprising amount of mutas would be nearly 1000 gas, and that is a lot less roaches so the opponent just pushes you, you have to use the mutas to defend and meanwhile they can spore up and get hydras


Starcraft can always be put in those terms no matter the builds, but it's never the whole truth. It's situational, about mind-games and so on.

In this particular game though? With constant scrappy aggression? No way trying to go mutas would work.


maybe with some spines? would be kind of obvious the muta switch was coming, but it'd be possible


I don't really know what kind of advantage you are hoping to get though, you lose drones and minerals for spines, you lose tons of gas for mutas, meanwhile your opponent can potentially just kill you with roaches and if you manage to defend your opponent is already prepared and is in a great position while you sit there with spines, less drones and a handful of muta.


well you get map control, probably a ton of overlord kills, and then you can switch back to roach, mind control a probe and make carriers... i dunno, i leave every zvz game ><
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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
October 09 2013 11:04 GMT
#1014
On October 09 2013 20:00 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:59 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:49 LimitSEA wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:47 Aunvilgod wrote:
This matchup -.-

I prefer I maek roach to I maek muta because you can actually micro in roach v roach. Try and micro muta v muta and unless you have a ton more mutas, you die.


yeah, pretty much this. Roach wars are so much more interesting after watching all the mass muta no micro silliness. You can have some neat micro/transfuse/flanks all that good stuff

not to mention muta is actually still very viable.
it's just so happen both players are heavy roach player with timing attack based and so we don't see much of hydra, infestors or swarm host transition etc.


That series was still much more interesting to me than basically ANY of the pre-spore buff muta vs muta games. Like, the battles actually had lots of stuff going on.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2013 11:04 GMT
#1015
On October 09 2013 20:01 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:00 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:58 Pandemona wrote:
The problem i have on that game, it was only "fun" back and forth because of so many mistakes xD
First off Soulkey fucked up on his upgrades leaving his +1 armor to be almost 3/4 behind that of SoO's
Then the big fuck up off SoO not to start +2 after he had finished his 1-1 (well over 5-8mins)
Then they both refused to do anything different and we had a back and forth u sack ur roaches ill sack mine.
Topping it off with poor engagement locations xD The attack up the ramp of the natural by Soulkey was the reason he lost the game. He lost like 10 roaches for free there, very silly


He may have had a reason to delay upgrades (more roaches maybe) it doesn't necessarily make it a fuck up.


It does when you see your opponent doing the same build?


If your opponent goes for upgrades you can either match his upgrades or hit a timing before his upgrades hit.
perhaps he was going for the later choice. He also played really smart by resetting the roach counts so soulkey couldn't use his upgrade advantage properly.
Zerg for Life
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 09 2013 11:05 GMT
#1016
On October 09 2013 20:04 dreamseller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:03 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:59 dreamseller wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:54 rothsbury wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:53 Heartland wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:52 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:50 HammerKick wrote:
Aren't mutas an effective switch in ZvZ when it's going to roach wars?

Considering that no one wants to make hydras


Not really to get any kind of surprising amount of mutas would be nearly 1000 gas, and that is a lot less roaches so the opponent just pushes you, you have to use the mutas to defend and meanwhile they can spore up and get hydras


Starcraft can always be put in those terms no matter the builds, but it's never the whole truth. It's situational, about mind-games and so on.

In this particular game though? With constant scrappy aggression? No way trying to go mutas would work.


maybe with some spines? would be kind of obvious the muta switch was coming, but it'd be possible


I don't really know what kind of advantage you are hoping to get though, you lose drones and minerals for spines, you lose tons of gas for mutas, meanwhile your opponent can potentially just kill you with roaches and if you manage to defend your opponent is already prepared and is in a great position while you sit there with spines, less drones and a handful of muta.


well you get map control, probably a ton of overlord kills, and then you can switch back to roach, mind control a probe and make carriers... i dunno, i leave every zvz game ><


We need a map with neutral Probes and SCVs just so Z can mind control them and build their stuff!
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12435 Posts
October 09 2013 11:05 GMT
#1017
this is what TvZ is missing.
how does a map affect tech choice? even if they still use roach style, at least it is nice to have some knowledge that player can do something different because of the map and casters can talk about it
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
October 09 2013 11:05 GMT
#1018
No, no. If they're going to play christian rock then Stryper all the way!!
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
October 09 2013 11:05 GMT
#1019
On October 09 2013 20:01 Kasaraki wrote:
Ugh this christian poprock is so fucking shitty. It's literally the worst music ever.


Nah that gangsta rapper meets euro disco like flo rajda is probably worse. Unless you're drunk and someone is rubbing a ass against you then it's alright I guess.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 09 2013 11:05 GMT
#1020
Come on SoulKey. Come on Come on Come on!!!!
I had a good night of sleep.
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