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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 09 2013 10:55 GMT
#961
On October 09 2013 19:54 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:48 Keeemy wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:47 Aunvilgod wrote:
This matchup -.-

ZvZ is a good matchup, not many stupid coinflips


Eh I am not too sure how much micro is involved in these roach battles. I'd rather see a multitasking centered game with mutalisks.

presporebuff mutas was hardly a multitasking game though
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
October 09 2013 10:55 GMT
#962
On October 09 2013 19:54 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:53 NarutO wrote:
Such an amazing game wow, I LOVE THE BACK AND FORTH ACTION.

said no one ever-.-

no that was quite a good game i reckon


The pain clearly leaves you confused T_T
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
October 09 2013 10:55 GMT
#963
On October 09 2013 19:54 Grumbels wrote:
Tasteless should stop talking about how the concave beats the convex. All that matters is if all your roaches can attack, as long as you don't have any roaches stuck behind your army it's perfectly even and in fact if you keep your roaches clumped you can more easily avoid sections of the opponent's army and do tactical movements.


It's a fine rule to follow though, since concave beats the convex really means that they have more roaches and that's the formation they get when most effective.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
October 09 2013 10:55 GMT
#964
Rip Finals for me
yo
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
October 09 2013 10:55 GMT
#965
On October 09 2013 19:54 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:48 Keeemy wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:47 Aunvilgod wrote:
This matchup -.-

ZvZ is a good matchup, not many stupid coinflips


Eh I am not too sure how much micro is involved in these roach battles. I'd rather see a multitasking centered game with mutalisks.

Well ye I agree that muta vs muta was more fun
Hello
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 09 2013 10:56 GMT
#966
On October 09 2013 19:54 rothsbury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:53 Heartland wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:52 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:50 HammerKick wrote:
Aren't mutas an effective switch in ZvZ when it's going to roach wars?

Considering that no one wants to make hydras


Not really to get any kind of surprising amount of mutas would be nearly 1000 gas, and that is a lot less roaches so the opponent just pushes you, you have to use the mutas to defend and meanwhile they can spore up and get hydras


Starcraft can always be put in those terms no matter the builds, but it's never the whole truth. It's situational, about mind-games and so on.

In this particular game though? With constant scrappy aggression? No way trying to go mutas would work.


I agree in the case of this game. Just that people sometime say stuff like that in LR threads only for metagame changes to come about a few months later and disprove those theories.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 09 2013 10:56 GMT
#967
On October 09 2013 19:55 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:54 opterown wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:53 NarutO wrote:
Such an amazing game wow, I LOVE THE BACK AND FORTH ACTION.

said no one ever-.-

no that was quite a good game i reckon


The pain clearly leaves you confused T_T

hey i also thought hyun vs. sniper was a quite good series too. roro symbol was horrible though
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oriontr
Profile Joined July 2013
Turkey120 Posts
October 09 2013 10:56 GMT
#968
wtf why no infestor or hydra ...
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
October 09 2013 10:56 GMT
#969
On October 09 2013 19:54 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:48 Keeemy wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:47 Aunvilgod wrote:
This matchup -.-

ZvZ is a good matchup, not many stupid coinflips


Eh I am not too sure how much micro is involved in these roach battles. I'd rather see a multitasking centered game with mutalisks.

You have to hammer the "a" key to make the roaches attack faster :D.
OT: I kinda like the queen roach style. It is easier on the gas and you can micro them.
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Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
October 09 2013 10:56 GMT
#970
ofcourse soo will win -- he very underrated
Progamer
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 09 2013 10:56 GMT
#971
Results always hilarious...
I had a good night of sleep.
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
October 09 2013 10:56 GMT
#972
On October 09 2013 19:53 NarutO wrote:
Such an amazing game wow, I LOVE THE BACK AND FORTH ACTION.

said no one ever-.-

I really enjoy those games

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rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
October 09 2013 10:56 GMT
#973
On October 09 2013 19:54 Grumbels wrote:
Tasteless should stop talking about how the concave beats the convex. All that matters is if all your roaches can attack, as long as you don't have any roaches stuck behind your army it's perfectly even and in fact if you keep your roaches clumped you can more easily avoid sections of the opponent's army and do tactical movements.

True, but it does make a difference in that the damage is concentrated on the outer ring of roaches. If you are all clumped this is not so many roaches, so they'll die more quickly. If you have a big concave this is more spread out so they die more slowly.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2013 10:56 GMT
#974
On October 09 2013 19:53 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:52 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:50 HammerKick wrote:
Aren't mutas an effective switch in ZvZ when it's going to roach wars?

Considering that no one wants to make hydras


Not really to get any kind of surprising amount of mutas would be nearly 1000 gas, and that is a lot less roaches so the opponent just pushes you, you have to use the mutas to defend and meanwhile they can spore up and get hydras


Starcraft can always be put in those terms no matter the builds, but it's never the whole truth. It's situational, about mind-games and so on.


I'm addressing a specific question so I don't really understand what you are saying.

If you want to try Roach into Muta in ZvZ then go ahead and I would love to see the replays.
In general though if there is a fairly even Roach based ZvZ you can't afford the gas dump into mutas because you will just have a lot less roaches and have to use the mutas defensively, and this gives your opponent time to get hydras and spores so what have you actually achieved?
Zerg for Life
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
October 09 2013 10:56 GMT
#975
On October 09 2013 19:49 Garnet wrote:
so damn annoying when the observer doesn't show the upgrades.


i saw them shown like 8 times, and aren't they on display down the bottom of the gamehart ui?
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
October 09 2013 10:56 GMT
#976
games like that are why i'm happy i don't have to play zvz anymore. thank god i didn't get fooled into switching back when the matchup was fun with mutas only to get nerfed instantly D:
@QxGDarkCell ._.
cutler
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany609 Posts
October 09 2013 10:56 GMT
#977
On October 09 2013 19:53 ZenithM wrote:
Haha most unexpected finals coming? :D


Unexpected finals? It was pretty clear that an Protoss going to win this Event just look at KR GM.
btw zvz is soO boring to watch ;-)
TriZ
Profile Joined September 2012
Belgium379 Posts
October 09 2013 10:56 GMT
#978
Oh 'dear', liquibet is 'soo' hard..
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 10:58:10
October 09 2013 10:57 GMT
#979
On October 09 2013 19:56 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:54 rothsbury wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:53 Heartland wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:52 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:50 HammerKick wrote:
Aren't mutas an effective switch in ZvZ when it's going to roach wars?

Considering that no one wants to make hydras


Not really to get any kind of surprising amount of mutas would be nearly 1000 gas, and that is a lot less roaches so the opponent just pushes you, you have to use the mutas to defend and meanwhile they can spore up and get hydras


Starcraft can always be put in those terms no matter the builds, but it's never the whole truth. It's situational, about mind-games and so on.

In this particular game though? With constant scrappy aggression? No way trying to go mutas would work.


I agree in the case of this game. Just that people sometime say stuff like that in LR threads only for metagame changes to come about a few months later and disprove those theories.

Yeah, I remember the "ZvZ can only ever muta vs muta and no other composition is remotely feasible ever".

Edit: although yeah there was the stupid spore buff. But that wasn't the entire story.
isaachukfan
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada785 Posts
October 09 2013 10:57 GMT
#980
This...is my nissan versa note.......
Don't they have more than one ad?
I'm a mennonite, yes I'm allowed to use a computer
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