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dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
October 09 2013 11:06 GMT
#1021
On October 09 2013 20:05 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:04 dreamseller wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:03 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:59 dreamseller wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:54 rothsbury wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:53 Heartland wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:52 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:50 HammerKick wrote:
Aren't mutas an effective switch in ZvZ when it's going to roach wars?

Considering that no one wants to make hydras


Not really to get any kind of surprising amount of mutas would be nearly 1000 gas, and that is a lot less roaches so the opponent just pushes you, you have to use the mutas to defend and meanwhile they can spore up and get hydras


Starcraft can always be put in those terms no matter the builds, but it's never the whole truth. It's situational, about mind-games and so on.

In this particular game though? With constant scrappy aggression? No way trying to go mutas would work.


maybe with some spines? would be kind of obvious the muta switch was coming, but it'd be possible


I don't really know what kind of advantage you are hoping to get though, you lose drones and minerals for spines, you lose tons of gas for mutas, meanwhile your opponent can potentially just kill you with roaches and if you manage to defend your opponent is already prepared and is in a great position while you sit there with spines, less drones and a handful of muta.


well you get map control, probably a ton of overlord kills, and then you can switch back to roach, mind control a probe and make carriers... i dunno, i leave every zvz game ><


We need a map with neutral Probes and SCVs just so Z can mind control them and build their stuff!


please make this happen. DK are you reading this? i bet you're reading this. make it happen
PGtour admin
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
October 09 2013 11:06 GMT
#1022
Back from dinner and see Soo owning as expected.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
October 09 2013 11:06 GMT
#1023
pray for the lost and the lonely

by which I mean soulkey
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
October 09 2013 11:06 GMT
#1024
Just got home. What's happening to Soulkey?! On the other hand... SOOOOOOOOO!
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 09 2013 11:06 GMT
#1025
On October 09 2013 20:04 dreamseller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:03 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:59 dreamseller wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:54 rothsbury wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:53 Heartland wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:52 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:50 HammerKick wrote:
Aren't mutas an effective switch in ZvZ when it's going to roach wars?

Considering that no one wants to make hydras


Not really to get any kind of surprising amount of mutas would be nearly 1000 gas, and that is a lot less roaches so the opponent just pushes you, you have to use the mutas to defend and meanwhile they can spore up and get hydras


Starcraft can always be put in those terms no matter the builds, but it's never the whole truth. It's situational, about mind-games and so on.

In this particular game though? With constant scrappy aggression? No way trying to go mutas would work.


maybe with some spines? would be kind of obvious the muta switch was coming, but it'd be possible


I don't really know what kind of advantage you are hoping to get though, you lose drones and minerals for spines, you lose tons of gas for mutas, meanwhile your opponent can potentially just kill you with roaches and if you manage to defend your opponent is already prepared and is in a great position while you sit there with spines, less drones and a handful of muta.


well you get map control, probably a ton of overlord kills, and then you can switch back to roach, mind control a probe and make carriers... i dunno, i leave every zvz game ><


I don't think you get map control as you will likely have to use the mutas for defence and your opponent can get hydras whilst you scramble.
I mean it might work I am not a pro player so I don't have a fucking clue how the game works, but in my mind I don't see how to make it work.
Zerg for Life
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17693 Posts
October 09 2013 11:06 GMT
#1026
On October 09 2013 20:05 ETisME wrote:
this is what TvZ is missing.
how does a map affect tech choice? even if they still use roach style, at least it is nice to have some knowledge that player can do something different because of the map and casters can talk about it

haha yea, maps need to have more effect on build orders and unit compositions
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8643 Posts
October 09 2013 11:07 GMT
#1027
On October 09 2013 20:03 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:02 Heartland wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:01 Kasaraki wrote:
Ugh this christian poprock is so fucking shitty. It's literally the worst music ever.


Google Justin Bieber plz

And i was like
Baby, baby, baby ooh...


Surely you mean "Banelings, Banelings ,Banelings OHHHH"

+ Show Spoiler +





in the age of "Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV" leadership.
TriZ
Profile Joined September 2012
Belgium379 Posts
October 09 2013 11:07 GMT
#1028
On October 09 2013 20:06 negativedge wrote:
pray for the lost and the lonely

by which I mean soulkey


So.. Pray for the lost and the soulkey!
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24591 Posts
October 09 2013 11:07 GMT
#1029
On October 09 2013 20:06 dreamseller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:05 Heartland wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:04 dreamseller wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:03 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:59 dreamseller wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:54 rothsbury wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:53 Heartland wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:52 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2013 19:50 HammerKick wrote:
Aren't mutas an effective switch in ZvZ when it's going to roach wars?

Considering that no one wants to make hydras


Not really to get any kind of surprising amount of mutas would be nearly 1000 gas, and that is a lot less roaches so the opponent just pushes you, you have to use the mutas to defend and meanwhile they can spore up and get hydras


Starcraft can always be put in those terms no matter the builds, but it's never the whole truth. It's situational, about mind-games and so on.

In this particular game though? With constant scrappy aggression? No way trying to go mutas would work.


maybe with some spines? would be kind of obvious the muta switch was coming, but it'd be possible


I don't really know what kind of advantage you are hoping to get though, you lose drones and minerals for spines, you lose tons of gas for mutas, meanwhile your opponent can potentially just kill you with roaches and if you manage to defend your opponent is already prepared and is in a great position while you sit there with spines, less drones and a handful of muta.


well you get map control, probably a ton of overlord kills, and then you can switch back to roach, mind control a probe and make carriers... i dunno, i leave every zvz game ><


We need a map with neutral Probes and SCVs just so Z can mind control them and build their stuff!


please make this happen. DK are you reading this? i bet you're reading this. make it happen


It's mappers who would put it in so we just need to lobby them.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24591 Posts
October 09 2013 11:08 GMT
#1030
On October 09 2013 20:07 TriZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:06 negativedge wrote:
pray for the lost and the lonely

by which I mean soulkey


So.. Pray for the lost and the soulkey!


Hahaha!
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
October 09 2013 11:08 GMT
#1031
On October 09 2013 20:05 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:01 Kasaraki wrote:
Ugh this christian poprock is so fucking shitty. It's literally the worst music ever.


Nah that gangsta rapper meets euro disco like flo rajda is probably worse. Unless you're drunk and someone is rubbing a ass against you then it's alright I guess.


If you want shitty music listen to german Rap
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
October 09 2013 11:08 GMT
#1032
Tastosis America-hating commies, apparently.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
October 09 2013 11:08 GMT
#1033
On October 09 2013 20:08 NovaMB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:05 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:01 Kasaraki wrote:
Ugh this christian poprock is so fucking shitty. It's literally the worst music ever.


Nah that gangsta rapper meets euro disco like flo rajda is probably worse. Unless you're drunk and someone is rubbing a ass against you then it's alright I guess.


If you want shitty music listen to german Rap

hey man, not all german rap is bad. just most of it
TL+ Member
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 09 2013 11:09 GMT
#1034
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
October 09 2013 11:09 GMT
#1035
FUCKING FUCK FUCK
Hello
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24591 Posts
October 09 2013 11:09 GMT
#1036
SOOJWA!!!
artrea
Profile Joined March 2011
Latvia3560 Posts
October 09 2013 11:09 GMT
#1037
Now that was quick!
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
October 09 2013 11:09 GMT
#1038
THE CATACLYSM IS HERE!!!!!!!!!
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
October 09 2013 11:09 GMT
#1039
HAHAHAHHHAAAAA

AAAAAAA

AHREGHFGDJH
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TL+ Member
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 09 2013 11:09 GMT
#1040
Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs. soO Game 3?

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (16)
 
47%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (8)
 
24%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
 
21%

★★★- Good game (3)
 
9%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

34 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs. soO Game 3?

(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs. soO Game 4?

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (10)
 
59%

★★★- Good game (4)
 
24%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
 
6%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
 
6%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
6%

17 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs. soO Game 4?

(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs. soO Game 5?

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (10)
 
53%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (4)
 
21%

★★★- Good game (3)
 
16%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
 
5%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
 
5%

19 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs. soO Game 5?

(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what

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