We need a map with neutral Probes and SCVs just so Z can mind control them and build their stuff!
please make this happen. DK are you reading this? i bet you're reading this. make it happen
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dreamseller
Australia914 Posts
On October 09 2013 20:05 Heartland wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2013 20:04 dreamseller wrote: On October 09 2013 20:03 KelsierSC wrote: On October 09 2013 19:59 dreamseller wrote: On October 09 2013 19:54 rothsbury wrote: On October 09 2013 19:53 Heartland wrote: On October 09 2013 19:52 KelsierSC wrote: On October 09 2013 19:50 HammerKick wrote: Aren't mutas an effective switch in ZvZ when it's going to roach wars? Considering that no one wants to make hydras Not really to get any kind of surprising amount of mutas would be nearly 1000 gas, and that is a lot less roaches so the opponent just pushes you, you have to use the mutas to defend and meanwhile they can spore up and get hydras Starcraft can always be put in those terms no matter the builds, but it's never the whole truth. It's situational, about mind-games and so on. In this particular game though? With constant scrappy aggression? No way trying to go mutas would work. maybe with some spines? would be kind of obvious the muta switch was coming, but it'd be possible I don't really know what kind of advantage you are hoping to get though, you lose drones and minerals for spines, you lose tons of gas for mutas, meanwhile your opponent can potentially just kill you with roaches and if you manage to defend your opponent is already prepared and is in a great position while you sit there with spines, less drones and a handful of muta. well you get map control, probably a ton of overlord kills, and then you can switch back to roach, mind control a probe and make carriers... i dunno, i leave every zvz game >< We need a map with neutral Probes and SCVs just so Z can mind control them and build their stuff! please make this happen. DK are you reading this? i bet you're reading this. make it happen | ||
NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
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negativedge
4279 Posts
by which I mean soulkey | ||
EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On October 09 2013 20:04 dreamseller wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2013 20:03 KelsierSC wrote: On October 09 2013 19:59 dreamseller wrote: On October 09 2013 19:54 rothsbury wrote: On October 09 2013 19:53 Heartland wrote: On October 09 2013 19:52 KelsierSC wrote: On October 09 2013 19:50 HammerKick wrote: Aren't mutas an effective switch in ZvZ when it's going to roach wars? Considering that no one wants to make hydras Not really to get any kind of surprising amount of mutas would be nearly 1000 gas, and that is a lot less roaches so the opponent just pushes you, you have to use the mutas to defend and meanwhile they can spore up and get hydras Starcraft can always be put in those terms no matter the builds, but it's never the whole truth. It's situational, about mind-games and so on. In this particular game though? With constant scrappy aggression? No way trying to go mutas would work. maybe with some spines? would be kind of obvious the muta switch was coming, but it'd be possible I don't really know what kind of advantage you are hoping to get though, you lose drones and minerals for spines, you lose tons of gas for mutas, meanwhile your opponent can potentially just kill you with roaches and if you manage to defend your opponent is already prepared and is in a great position while you sit there with spines, less drones and a handful of muta. well you get map control, probably a ton of overlord kills, and then you can switch back to roach, mind control a probe and make carriers... i dunno, i leave every zvz game >< I don't think you get map control as you will likely have to use the mutas for defence and your opponent can get hydras whilst you scramble. I mean it might work I am not a pro player so I don't have a fucking clue how the game works, but in my mind I don't see how to make it work. | ||
Die4Ever
United States17664 Posts
On October 09 2013 20:05 ETisME wrote: this is what TvZ is missing. how does a map affect tech choice? even if they still use roach style, at least it is nice to have some knowledge that player can do something different because of the map and casters can talk about it haha yea, maps need to have more effect on build orders and unit compositions | ||
Doublemint
Austria8485 Posts
On October 09 2013 20:03 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2013 20:02 Heartland wrote: On October 09 2013 20:01 Kasaraki wrote: Ugh this christian poprock is so fucking shitty. It's literally the worst music ever. Google Justin Bieber plz And i was like Baby, baby, baby ooh... Surely you mean "Banelings, Banelings ,Banelings OHHHH" + Show Spoiler + ![]() | ||
TriZ
Belgium379 Posts
On October 09 2013 20:06 negativedge wrote: pray for the lost and the lonely by which I mean soulkey So.. Pray for the lost and the soulkey! | ||
Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
On October 09 2013 20:06 dreamseller wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2013 20:05 Heartland wrote: On October 09 2013 20:04 dreamseller wrote: On October 09 2013 20:03 KelsierSC wrote: On October 09 2013 19:59 dreamseller wrote: On October 09 2013 19:54 rothsbury wrote: On October 09 2013 19:53 Heartland wrote: On October 09 2013 19:52 KelsierSC wrote: On October 09 2013 19:50 HammerKick wrote: Aren't mutas an effective switch in ZvZ when it's going to roach wars? Considering that no one wants to make hydras Not really to get any kind of surprising amount of mutas would be nearly 1000 gas, and that is a lot less roaches so the opponent just pushes you, you have to use the mutas to defend and meanwhile they can spore up and get hydras Starcraft can always be put in those terms no matter the builds, but it's never the whole truth. It's situational, about mind-games and so on. In this particular game though? With constant scrappy aggression? No way trying to go mutas would work. maybe with some spines? would be kind of obvious the muta switch was coming, but it'd be possible I don't really know what kind of advantage you are hoping to get though, you lose drones and minerals for spines, you lose tons of gas for mutas, meanwhile your opponent can potentially just kill you with roaches and if you manage to defend your opponent is already prepared and is in a great position while you sit there with spines, less drones and a handful of muta. well you get map control, probably a ton of overlord kills, and then you can switch back to roach, mind control a probe and make carriers... i dunno, i leave every zvz game >< We need a map with neutral Probes and SCVs just so Z can mind control them and build their stuff! please make this happen. DK are you reading this? i bet you're reading this. make it happen It's mappers who would put it in so we just need to lobby them. | ||
Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
On October 09 2013 20:07 TriZ wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2013 20:06 negativedge wrote: pray for the lost and the lonely by which I mean soulkey So.. Pray for the lost and the soulkey! Hahaha! | ||
NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
On October 09 2013 20:05 AlternativeEgo wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2013 20:01 Kasaraki wrote: Ugh this christian poprock is so fucking shitty. It's literally the worst music ever. Nah that gangsta rapper meets euro disco like flo rajda is probably worse. Unless you're drunk and someone is rubbing a ass against you then it's alright I guess. If you want shitty music listen to german Rap | ||
rothsbury
Australia1654 Posts
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On October 09 2013 20:08 NovaMB wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2013 20:05 AlternativeEgo wrote: On October 09 2013 20:01 Kasaraki wrote: Ugh this christian poprock is so fucking shitty. It's literally the worst music ever. Nah that gangsta rapper meets euro disco like flo rajda is probably worse. Unless you're drunk and someone is rubbing a ass against you then it's alright I guess. If you want shitty music listen to german Rap hey man, not all german rap is bad. just most of it | ||
Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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artrea
Latvia3560 Posts
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
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Australia54784 Posts
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