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On September 29 2013 21:45 NovemberstOrm wrote:
The reason SC2 is more inconsistent or "volatile" is because it's more strategy dependent than it is mechanics based, where as Broodwar is the opposite , very heavily mechanics based with strategy but less so compared to mechanics.(feel free to correct me if im wrong cause I don't know a lot about BW just heard from people)
Completely incorrect, BW has more viable and varied strategies than SC2 does
look at BW terran strategies
2 port wraith
SK terran
6 rax
mech
biomech
valkonic
fast vessel
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On September 29 2013 22:37 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 21:45 NovemberstOrm wrote:
The reason SC2 is more inconsistent or "volatile" is because it's more strategy dependent than it is mechanics based, where as Broodwar is the opposite , very heavily mechanics based with strategy but less so compared to mechanics.(feel free to correct me if im wrong cause I don't know a lot about BW just heard from people)
Completely incorrect, BW has more viable and varied strategies than SC2 does look at BW terran strategies 2 port wraith SK terran 6 rax mech biomech valkonic fast vessel
And how many of those worked in TvT and TvP :3? And under that i mean not as part of all-in or clever timing.
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Maru hate o' meter : Off the limits.
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i hope flash retires and comes afreeca !
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On September 29 2013 22:43 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 22:37 shadymmj wrote:On September 29 2013 21:45 NovemberstOrm wrote:
The reason SC2 is more inconsistent or "volatile" is because it's more strategy dependent than it is mechanics based, where as Broodwar is the opposite , very heavily mechanics based with strategy but less so compared to mechanics.(feel free to correct me if im wrong cause I don't know a lot about BW just heard from people)
Completely incorrect, BW has more viable and varied strategies than SC2 does look at BW terran strategies 2 port wraith SK terran 6 rax mech biomech valkonic fast vessel And how many of those worked in TvT and TvP :3? And under that i mean not as part of all-in or clever timing.
BW strategies looked more similar--"mech" wasn't like this broad strategy. The order and composition mattered a lot more. Also, if you take out all-ins and timings, I'd say it hurts SC2 more--BW had it's fair share of cheese but people do way more timing attacks and ridiculous strategies in SC2.
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why do ppl even respond to guys with a ktlogo after flash lost a game, its pretty pointless
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On September 29 2013 22:47 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 22:43 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 29 2013 22:37 shadymmj wrote:On September 29 2013 21:45 NovemberstOrm wrote:
The reason SC2 is more inconsistent or "volatile" is because it's more strategy dependent than it is mechanics based, where as Broodwar is the opposite , very heavily mechanics based with strategy but less so compared to mechanics.(feel free to correct me if im wrong cause I don't know a lot about BW just heard from people)
Completely incorrect, BW has more viable and varied strategies than SC2 does look at BW terran strategies 2 port wraith SK terran 6 rax mech biomech valkonic fast vessel And how many of those worked in TvT and TvP :3? And under that i mean not as part of all-in or clever timing. BW strategies looked more similar--"mech" wasn't like this broad strategy. The order and composition mattered a lot more. Also, if you take out all-ins and timings, I'd say it hurts SC2 more--BW had it's fair share of cheese but people do way more timing attacks and ridiculous strategies in SC2.
Yeah, right, in fact outside of clever timings and all-ins TvP and TvT was all mech play with different focus there. TvZ had a variance but in macro play it was essentially bio + vessels with optional addition of stuff or straight mech AFAIK.
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On September 29 2013 22:52 teddyoojo wrote:
why do ppl even respond to guys with a ktlogo after flash lost a game, its pretty pointless
given that his micro wasn't on point, and he didn't really try to use his "superior" mechanics against kangho at least. it's not about the game it's about flash himself. he isn't really playing well.
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sick games omygod, marus micro so good in the end vs flash, deserved to advance, and i think flash games are all about macro and maru all about micro, so maru games are way more entertaining to watch than flashs
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On September 29 2013 23:00 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 22:52 teddyoojo wrote:
why do ppl even respond to guys with a ktlogo after flash lost a game, its pretty pointless given that his micro wasn't on point, and he didn't really try to use his "superior" mechanics against kangho at least. it's not about the game it's about flash himself. he isn't really playing well.
His play was overall fine today, don't see how you can make such a statement; it was shakier against Maru, and he was off in his first game against PartinG, but otherwise it was fine. Plus you can hardly look brilliant when one single decision or mistake makes you drawing dead for 10 minuts afterwards anyway. Saying he didn't use his mechanics against LosirA is preposterous, didn't you see how fast he maxed in game 1 or how crisp is micro was in his Medivac push game 3?
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On September 29 2013 23:13 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 23:00 Undead1993 wrote:On September 29 2013 22:52 teddyoojo wrote:
why do ppl even respond to guys with a ktlogo after flash lost a game, its pretty pointless given that his micro wasn't on point, and he didn't really try to use his "superior" mechanics against kangho at least. it's not about the game it's about flash himself. he isn't really playing well. His play was overall fine today, don't see how you can make such a statement; it was shakier against Maru, and he was off in his first game against PartinG, but otherwise it was fine. Plus you can hardly look brilliant when one single decision or mistake makes you drawing dead for 10 minuts afterwards anyway. Saying he didn't use his mechanics against LosirA is preposterous, didn't you see how fast he maxed in game 1 or how crisp is micro was in his Medivac push game 3?
dude did you see how he messed up like 12 blue flame hellions in the second game without killing any drones? his micro in the third game that i just watched was fine, but then again kangho was too greedy there. and i still would love to see him multitask more and stuff you know? not just max out and push with one big army. i don't know i expect more of flash like in the korean showmatch with life as HOTS had been presented.
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On September 29 2013 23:19 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 23:13 TheDwf wrote:On September 29 2013 23:00 Undead1993 wrote:On September 29 2013 22:52 teddyoojo wrote:
why do ppl even respond to guys with a ktlogo after flash lost a game, its pretty pointless given that his micro wasn't on point, and he didn't really try to use his "superior" mechanics against kangho at least. it's not about the game it's about flash himself. he isn't really playing well. His play was overall fine today, don't see how you can make such a statement; it was shakier against Maru, and he was off in his first game against PartinG, but otherwise it was fine. Plus you can hardly look brilliant when one single decision or mistake makes you drawing dead for 10 minuts afterwards anyway. Saying he didn't use his mechanics against LosirA is preposterous, didn't you see how fast he maxed in game 1 or how crisp is micro was in his Medivac push game 3? dude did you see how he messed up like 12 blue flame hellions in the second game without killing any drones? his micro in the third game that i just watched was fine, but then again kangho was too greedy there. and i still would love to see him multitask more and stuff you know? not just max out and push with one big army. i don't know i expect more of flash like in the korean showmatch with life as HOTS had been presented.
Microing Hellions on creep against Speedlings is hard—your point?
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On September 29 2013 23:24 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 23:19 Undead1993 wrote:On September 29 2013 23:13 TheDwf wrote:On September 29 2013 23:00 Undead1993 wrote:On September 29 2013 22:52 teddyoojo wrote:
why do ppl even respond to guys with a ktlogo after flash lost a game, its pretty pointless given that his micro wasn't on point, and he didn't really try to use his "superior" mechanics against kangho at least. it's not about the game it's about flash himself. he isn't really playing well. His play was overall fine today, don't see how you can make such a statement; it was shakier against Maru, and he was off in his first game against PartinG, but otherwise it was fine. Plus you can hardly look brilliant when one single decision or mistake makes you drawing dead for 10 minuts afterwards anyway. Saying he didn't use his mechanics against LosirA is preposterous, didn't you see how fast he maxed in game 1 or how crisp is micro was in his Medivac push game 3? dude did you see how he messed up like 12 blue flame hellions in the second game without killing any drones? his micro in the third game that i just watched was fine, but then again kangho was too greedy there. and i still would love to see him multitask more and stuff you know? not just max out and push with one big army. i don't know i expect more of flash like in the korean showmatch with life as HOTS had been presented. Microing Hellions on creep against Speedlings is hard—your point?
ok, enough now. he lost 5 hellions against lings at his own natural. i don't know you seem to be ignorant or something if you don't see it.
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On September 29 2013 23:27 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 23:24 TheDwf wrote:On September 29 2013 23:19 Undead1993 wrote:On September 29 2013 23:13 TheDwf wrote:On September 29 2013 23:00 Undead1993 wrote:On September 29 2013 22:52 teddyoojo wrote:
why do ppl even respond to guys with a ktlogo after flash lost a game, its pretty pointless given that his micro wasn't on point, and he didn't really try to use his "superior" mechanics against kangho at least. it's not about the game it's about flash himself. he isn't really playing well. His play was overall fine today, don't see how you can make such a statement; it was shakier against Maru, and he was off in his first game against PartinG, but otherwise it was fine. Plus you can hardly look brilliant when one single decision or mistake makes you drawing dead for 10 minuts afterwards anyway. Saying he didn't use his mechanics against LosirA is preposterous, didn't you see how fast he maxed in game 1 or how crisp is micro was in his Medivac push game 3? dude did you see how he messed up like 12 blue flame hellions in the second game without killing any drones? his micro in the third game that i just watched was fine, but then again kangho was too greedy there. and i still would love to see him multitask more and stuff you know? not just max out and push with one big army. i don't know i expect more of flash like in the korean showmatch with life as HOTS had been presented. Microing Hellions on creep against Speedlings is hard—your point? ok, enough now. he lost 5 hellions against lings at his own natural. i don't know you seem to be ignorant or something if you don't see it.
Wow, surely this insignificant thing means Flash is bad.
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On September 29 2013 22:43 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 22:37 shadymmj wrote:On September 29 2013 21:45 NovemberstOrm wrote:
The reason SC2 is more inconsistent or "volatile" is because it's more strategy dependent than it is mechanics based, where as Broodwar is the opposite , very heavily mechanics based with strategy but less so compared to mechanics.(feel free to correct me if im wrong cause I don't know a lot about BW just heard from people)
Completely incorrect, BW has more viable and varied strategies than SC2 does look at BW terran strategies 2 port wraith SK terran 6 rax mech biomech valkonic fast vessel And how many of those worked in TvT and TvP :3? And under that i mean not as part of all-in or clever timing.
at least 5 of these were relevant throughout BW's lifespan with some modifications (eg. instead of 2 port, just wraith-based play)
unless of course you classify them as "clever timings" - how dare people play smart in starcraft!
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On September 29 2013 23:04 Killmouse wrote:
sick games omygod, marus micro so good in the end vs flash, deserved to advance, and i think flash games are all about macro and maru all about micro, so maru games are way more entertaining to watch than flashs
Flash games (lately) are all about throwing away advantages you mean. He threw three games in a row there (still won one, but shouldn't have). Pretty painful to see....
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On September 29 2013 23:54 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 23:04 Killmouse wrote:
sick games omygod, marus micro so good in the end vs flash, deserved to advance, and i think flash games are all about macro and maru all about micro, so maru games are way more entertaining to watch than flashs Flash games are all about throwing away advantages you mean. He threw three games in a row there (still won one, but shouldn't have). Pretty painful to see....
throwing adv due bad micro and engagments, yea i meant that, his micro is just not that good compared to his macro, while marus micro is very primesque sick
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no Flash at Blizzcon. oh man.
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