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shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
September 29 2013 13:37 GMT
#2421
On September 29 2013 21:45 NovemberstOrm wrote:
The reason SC2 is more inconsistent or "volatile" is because it's more strategy dependent than it is mechanics based, where as Broodwar is the opposite , very heavily mechanics based with strategy but less so compared to mechanics.(feel free to correct me if im wrong cause I don't know a lot about BW just heard from people)


Completely incorrect, BW has more viable and varied strategies than SC2 does

look at BW terran strategies

2 port wraith
SK terran
6 rax
mech
biomech
valkonic
fast vessel
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 13:44:01
September 29 2013 13:43 GMT
#2422
On September 29 2013 22:37 shadymmj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 21:45 NovemberstOrm wrote:
The reason SC2 is more inconsistent or "volatile" is because it's more strategy dependent than it is mechanics based, where as Broodwar is the opposite , very heavily mechanics based with strategy but less so compared to mechanics.(feel free to correct me if im wrong cause I don't know a lot about BW just heard from people)


Completely incorrect, BW has more viable and varied strategies than SC2 does

look at BW terran strategies

2 port wraith
SK terran
6 rax
mech
biomech
valkonic
fast vessel

And how many of those worked in TvT and TvP :3? And under that i mean not as part of all-in or clever timing.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
September 29 2013 13:44 GMT
#2423
Maru hate o' meter : Off the limits.
RIP MKP
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 13:55:35
September 29 2013 13:47 GMT
#2424
i hope flash retires and comes afreeca !
Like a Boss
Profile Joined January 2011
502 Posts
September 29 2013 13:47 GMT
#2425
Poor flash fans.
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
September 29 2013 13:47 GMT
#2426
On September 29 2013 22:43 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 22:37 shadymmj wrote:
On September 29 2013 21:45 NovemberstOrm wrote:
The reason SC2 is more inconsistent or "volatile" is because it's more strategy dependent than it is mechanics based, where as Broodwar is the opposite , very heavily mechanics based with strategy but less so compared to mechanics.(feel free to correct me if im wrong cause I don't know a lot about BW just heard from people)


Completely incorrect, BW has more viable and varied strategies than SC2 does

look at BW terran strategies

2 port wraith
SK terran
6 rax
mech
biomech
valkonic
fast vessel

And how many of those worked in TvT and TvP :3? And under that i mean not as part of all-in or clever timing.

BW strategies looked more similar--"mech" wasn't like this broad strategy. The order and composition mattered a lot more. Also, if you take out all-ins and timings, I'd say it hurts SC2 more--BW had it's fair share of cheese but people do way more timing attacks and ridiculous strategies in SC2.
Liquid | SKT
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
September 29 2013 13:52 GMT
#2427
why do ppl even respond to guys with a ktlogo after flash lost a game, its pretty pointless
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 29 2013 13:56 GMT
#2428
On September 29 2013 22:47 DamageControL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 22:43 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 29 2013 22:37 shadymmj wrote:
On September 29 2013 21:45 NovemberstOrm wrote:
The reason SC2 is more inconsistent or "volatile" is because it's more strategy dependent than it is mechanics based, where as Broodwar is the opposite , very heavily mechanics based with strategy but less so compared to mechanics.(feel free to correct me if im wrong cause I don't know a lot about BW just heard from people)


Completely incorrect, BW has more viable and varied strategies than SC2 does

look at BW terran strategies

2 port wraith
SK terran
6 rax
mech
biomech
valkonic
fast vessel

And how many of those worked in TvT and TvP :3? And under that i mean not as part of all-in or clever timing.

BW strategies looked more similar--"mech" wasn't like this broad strategy. The order and composition mattered a lot more. Also, if you take out all-ins and timings, I'd say it hurts SC2 more--BW had it's fair share of cheese but people do way more timing attacks and ridiculous strategies in SC2.

Yeah, right, in fact outside of clever timings and all-ins TvP and TvT was all mech play with different focus there. TvZ had a variance but in macro play it was essentially bio + vessels with optional addition of stuff or straight mech AFAIK.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
September 29 2013 14:00 GMT
#2429
On September 29 2013 22:52 teddyoojo wrote:
why do ppl even respond to guys with a ktlogo after flash lost a game, its pretty pointless

given that his micro wasn't on point, and he didn't really try to use his "superior" mechanics against kangho at least. it's not about the game it's about flash himself. he isn't really playing well.
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
September 29 2013 14:04 GMT
#2430
sick games omygod, marus micro so good in the end vs flash, deserved to advance, and i think flash games are all about macro and maru all about micro, so maru games are way more entertaining to watch than flashs
yo
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 29 2013 14:13 GMT
#2431
On September 29 2013 23:00 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 22:52 teddyoojo wrote:
why do ppl even respond to guys with a ktlogo after flash lost a game, its pretty pointless

given that his micro wasn't on point, and he didn't really try to use his "superior" mechanics against kangho at least. it's not about the game it's about flash himself. he isn't really playing well.

His play was overall fine today, don't see how you can make such a statement; it was shakier against Maru, and he was off in his first game against PartinG, but otherwise it was fine. Plus you can hardly look brilliant when one single decision or mistake makes you drawing dead for 10 minuts afterwards anyway. Saying he didn't use his mechanics against LosirA is preposterous, didn't you see how fast he maxed in game 1 or how crisp is micro was in his Medivac push game 3?
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
September 29 2013 14:19 GMT
#2432
On September 29 2013 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 23:00 Undead1993 wrote:
On September 29 2013 22:52 teddyoojo wrote:
why do ppl even respond to guys with a ktlogo after flash lost a game, its pretty pointless

given that his micro wasn't on point, and he didn't really try to use his "superior" mechanics against kangho at least. it's not about the game it's about flash himself. he isn't really playing well.

His play was overall fine today, don't see how you can make such a statement; it was shakier against Maru, and he was off in his first game against PartinG, but otherwise it was fine. Plus you can hardly look brilliant when one single decision or mistake makes you drawing dead for 10 minuts afterwards anyway. Saying he didn't use his mechanics against LosirA is preposterous, didn't you see how fast he maxed in game 1 or how crisp is micro was in his Medivac push game 3?

dude did you see how he messed up like 12 blue flame hellions in the second game without killing any drones? his micro in the third game that i just watched was fine, but then again kangho was too greedy there. and i still would love to see him multitask more and stuff you know? not just max out and push with one big army. i don't know i expect more of flash like in the korean showmatch with life as HOTS had been presented.
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 29 2013 14:20 GMT
#2433
Fuck
Что?
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 29 2013 14:24 GMT
#2434
On September 29 2013 23:19 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
On September 29 2013 23:00 Undead1993 wrote:
On September 29 2013 22:52 teddyoojo wrote:
why do ppl even respond to guys with a ktlogo after flash lost a game, its pretty pointless

given that his micro wasn't on point, and he didn't really try to use his "superior" mechanics against kangho at least. it's not about the game it's about flash himself. he isn't really playing well.

His play was overall fine today, don't see how you can make such a statement; it was shakier against Maru, and he was off in his first game against PartinG, but otherwise it was fine. Plus you can hardly look brilliant when one single decision or mistake makes you drawing dead for 10 minuts afterwards anyway. Saying he didn't use his mechanics against LosirA is preposterous, didn't you see how fast he maxed in game 1 or how crisp is micro was in his Medivac push game 3?

dude did you see how he messed up like 12 blue flame hellions in the second game without killing any drones? his micro in the third game that i just watched was fine, but then again kangho was too greedy there. and i still would love to see him multitask more and stuff you know? not just max out and push with one big army. i don't know i expect more of flash like in the korean showmatch with life as HOTS had been presented.

Microing Hellions on creep against Speedlings is hard—your point?
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
September 29 2013 14:27 GMT
#2435
On September 29 2013 23:24 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 23:19 Undead1993 wrote:
On September 29 2013 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
On September 29 2013 23:00 Undead1993 wrote:
On September 29 2013 22:52 teddyoojo wrote:
why do ppl even respond to guys with a ktlogo after flash lost a game, its pretty pointless

given that his micro wasn't on point, and he didn't really try to use his "superior" mechanics against kangho at least. it's not about the game it's about flash himself. he isn't really playing well.

His play was overall fine today, don't see how you can make such a statement; it was shakier against Maru, and he was off in his first game against PartinG, but otherwise it was fine. Plus you can hardly look brilliant when one single decision or mistake makes you drawing dead for 10 minuts afterwards anyway. Saying he didn't use his mechanics against LosirA is preposterous, didn't you see how fast he maxed in game 1 or how crisp is micro was in his Medivac push game 3?

dude did you see how he messed up like 12 blue flame hellions in the second game without killing any drones? his micro in the third game that i just watched was fine, but then again kangho was too greedy there. and i still would love to see him multitask more and stuff you know? not just max out and push with one big army. i don't know i expect more of flash like in the korean showmatch with life as HOTS had been presented.

Microing Hellions on creep against Speedlings is hard—your point?

ok, enough now. he lost 5 hellions against lings at his own natural. i don't know you seem to be ignorant or something if you don't see it.
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 29 2013 14:29 GMT
#2436
On September 29 2013 23:27 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 23:24 TheDwf wrote:
On September 29 2013 23:19 Undead1993 wrote:
On September 29 2013 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
On September 29 2013 23:00 Undead1993 wrote:
On September 29 2013 22:52 teddyoojo wrote:
why do ppl even respond to guys with a ktlogo after flash lost a game, its pretty pointless

given that his micro wasn't on point, and he didn't really try to use his "superior" mechanics against kangho at least. it's not about the game it's about flash himself. he isn't really playing well.

His play was overall fine today, don't see how you can make such a statement; it was shakier against Maru, and he was off in his first game against PartinG, but otherwise it was fine. Plus you can hardly look brilliant when one single decision or mistake makes you drawing dead for 10 minuts afterwards anyway. Saying he didn't use his mechanics against LosirA is preposterous, didn't you see how fast he maxed in game 1 or how crisp is micro was in his Medivac push game 3?

dude did you see how he messed up like 12 blue flame hellions in the second game without killing any drones? his micro in the third game that i just watched was fine, but then again kangho was too greedy there. and i still would love to see him multitask more and stuff you know? not just max out and push with one big army. i don't know i expect more of flash like in the korean showmatch with life as HOTS had been presented.

Microing Hellions on creep against Speedlings is hard—your point?

ok, enough now. he lost 5 hellions against lings at his own natural. i don't know you seem to be ignorant or something if you don't see it.

Wow, surely this insignificant thing means Flash is bad.
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
September 29 2013 14:45 GMT
#2437
On September 29 2013 22:43 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 22:37 shadymmj wrote:
On September 29 2013 21:45 NovemberstOrm wrote:
The reason SC2 is more inconsistent or "volatile" is because it's more strategy dependent than it is mechanics based, where as Broodwar is the opposite , very heavily mechanics based with strategy but less so compared to mechanics.(feel free to correct me if im wrong cause I don't know a lot about BW just heard from people)


Completely incorrect, BW has more viable and varied strategies than SC2 does

look at BW terran strategies

2 port wraith
SK terran
6 rax
mech
biomech
valkonic
fast vessel

And how many of those worked in TvT and TvP :3? And under that i mean not as part of all-in or clever timing.


at least 5 of these were relevant throughout BW's lifespan with some modifications (eg. instead of 2 port, just wraith-based play)

unless of course you classify them as "clever timings" - how dare people play smart in starcraft!
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 15:24:08
September 29 2013 14:54 GMT
#2438
On September 29 2013 23:04 Killmouse wrote:
sick games omygod, marus micro so good in the end vs flash, deserved to advance, and i think flash games are all about macro and maru all about micro, so maru games are way more entertaining to watch than flashs


Flash games (lately) are all about throwing away advantages you mean. He threw three games in a row there (still won one, but shouldn't have). Pretty painful to see....
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Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 15:00:56
September 29 2013 15:00 GMT
#2439
On September 29 2013 23:54 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 23:04 Killmouse wrote:
sick games omygod, marus micro so good in the end vs flash, deserved to advance, and i think flash games are all about macro and maru all about micro, so maru games are way more entertaining to watch than flashs


Flash games are all about throwing away advantages you mean. He threw three games in a row there (still won one, but shouldn't have). Pretty painful to see....

throwing adv due bad micro and engagments, yea i meant that, his micro is just not that good compared to his macro, while marus micro is very primesque sick
yo
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9047 Posts
September 29 2013 15:02 GMT
#2440
no Flash at Blizzcon. oh man.
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