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On September 29 2013 19:46 Musicus wrote:
always trust aligulcac

    (1884) LucifroN  0-0  Soulkey (1742)     
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         10.00% 4-0       0-4   3.67%        
         17.51% 4-1       1-4   8.25%        
         19.16% 4-2       2-4  11.60%        
         16.77% 4-3       3-4  13.05%        
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             63.44%        36.56%            

Median outcome: LucifroN 4-3 Soulkey

On September 29 2013 20:34 NicksonReyes wrote:

By that I'm guessing you're referring to a dominance like Nada's and not Boxer's. His started 2002, so about 4 years. You can't really compare it to SC2 though. Pro SC1 started with people playing with like 20 apm + Show Spoiler + and Boxer's dominance(started around 2001) was because he was just one step ahead of people in learning how to actually play the game, because pros still haven't yet, whereas SC2 started with people already knowing how pro SC works and the scene was already high-level since the very beginning. I might be wrong though. People who aren't 7 y/o like me when Nada started dominating might know better.

On September 29 2013 21:01 papaz wrote:


OMG those clothes!

On September 29 2013 20:04 Boonbag wrote:



i laughed when i found your post, was prolly 1 chance out of million i stumble upon it ^^

On September 29 2013 20:21 ElBlanco wrote:


It's a number of factors. First of all yeah there are a lot more tournaments which can make it seem like players aren't quite as dominant. Second of all and this is probably the most important point, HOTS was released this year and has underwent patch changes since then. How consistent were players the 1-2 years after BW was released? People expect SC2 to be at the position BW was in when it reached its peak but that took what 8 years or something?

It's not true anyway, we have seen plenty of players who have been very consistent in SC2. Of course a new expansion and balance changes can make it difficult to stay on top but we still see players consistently up there (soulkey and innovation are obvious examples). In WoL we saw plenty of players consistently at the top despite the metagame changing many times and despite the fluctuations in balance and patchs.

This argument only crops up when a player people really like or expect to win drop out. It's a way of blaming the game and not the player. The biggest flaw and this complaint isn't that it's not true, it's that it isn't necessarily a bad thing. Not all competitive games and sports are consistently dominated by a few players. Perhaps there really is just a very even playing field at the top and that isn't a bad thing for the game. Would it be great to see some consistent champions like MVP? Sure but seeing a more competitive field isn't bad either.

On September 29 2013 20:28 PoP wrote:


By consistency I mean Mvp-like consistency. Or even MKP/DRG. Which is, finish top-4 of almost every tournament, creating rivalries between them, stuff like that. Players that are really scary to face, that people talk about. Who's talking about Soulkey these days? Who's afraid of Rain after showing so many times that he can't keep his composure in important moments? Who's afraid of Flash?

Only Innovation has been that guy these last few months. But it was a bit too short-lived it appears.

Also, is there even one decent rivalry these days? Flash vs Innovation could have been one, but that's it, as far as I know.



It's not just about winning trophies, teams like Barcelona and (more recently) Bayern are the current "bonjwa" teams and any team in the world would be scared to play against them. Everyone excepts them to destroy basically almost any other team (barring a few). You don't have that in a game like SC2 at the moment. Not even close.

Also sports like that are different by nature because those teams have a huge history and long-term fans. So I feel like it's not the most fair comparison.

On September 29 2013 21:26 shadymmj wrote:
you want to talk about consistency? look at the SOSPA league for BW, nearly every game follows the expected outcome. things are about to get exciting with jangbi and maybe bisu joining but for the most part the better player on paper wins the series. can you explain that? SOSPA has been held rather regularly too.

On September 29 2013 21:45 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
So...Flash cannot get enough WCS points to go the biggest tourney?

Or does he still have a chance?

On September 29 2013 21:43 opterown wrote:

correct me if i'm wrong; though sospa is held regularly, the player pool is fairly small and the number of games are still quite low, especially in comparison with SC2 and even BW. the smaller the player pool, the more likely there is to be significant differences in skill between everyone (tending away from the mean).

other popular games such as dota and lol (i think) can also be quite inconsistent/unpredictable too, so it's not that huge a deal.

On September 29 2013 21:26 shadymmj wrote:


not really. as far as consistency goes rain and soulkey as mentioned are pretty good.
just one problem though, they've never actually won a championship in hots.

this game is extremely volatile, although the causes can be debated. just look at today's tvts (which have been like that for 1-2 months now), it's absurd and impossible to predict. i don't understand how 27 army supply cannot break an opponent with 9, in BW (hm, even WoL for that matter) you could pretty much a-move and just win when your terran army is 3x bigger.

you want to talk about consistency? look at the SOSPA league for BW, nearly every game follows the expected outcome. things are about to get exciting with jangbi and maybe bisu joining but for the most part the better player on paper wins the series. can you explain that? SOSPA has been held rather regularly too.

On September 29 2013 21:26 shadymmj wrote:
not really. as far as consistency goes rain and soulkey as mentioned are pretty good.
just one problem though, they've never actually won a championship in hots.